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mpaper345

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hello,

All sin can be forgiven that a person does except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

A person can blaspheme the Son which is the flesh the man Christ Jesus and be forgiven but a person cannot blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit means calling God evil when God is a good God that only touches people for good.God never touches a person for evil but only good.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.The love that Jesus showed on this earth is the love that God shows towards people.Jesus did not hurt anybody and took physical and verbal abuse without retaliation.The love that Jesus showed while on this earth still applies today.That is the love that God shows now.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is
1.Saying God is punishing you which you would be calling God evil when God is good.
2.Saying God does not care about you.
3.Saying God does not care about people because of natural disasters happening and people suffering.
4.Anything that calls God evil when God is good.

The truth is that God is always there to touch people for good.God only touches people for good and never evil.

God gave mankind a choice so God will not violate what we want.Things go bad because people do not have God on their side.
God is always there to touch people for good but people have to make the decision to be on God's side then they will have God's protection and peace.
God is touching people to help other people with food,clothing and shelter but people as time goes on are listening less and less.

Matt
 
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resurrection33

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Grey said:
So a human can do everything wrong accept blasphemy the holy spirit and still be forgiven and saved?
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It’s not quite as simple as that, I don’t think. If there were no penalty for sin, I think none of us would stop sinning, would we?

So I would put it this way: If you repent of your sin, you will be forgiven.

If you rob a bank, you will probably go to prison, even if you have been forgiven.
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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There are no such thing as a carnal Christian, they don't exist, otherwise, they're not a genuine Christian at all. In fact, "carnal" and "Christian" don't even belong in the same sentence with one another. All genuine Christians are filled with the Spirit of God, and so to say there are such things as "carnal Christians" is just wicked, and just down right blasphemous.

"Beware of the false prophets,who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" -- Matthew 7:15-23

Matthew 7:15-23 tells us three things:

1.) Not everyone who emphatically declares Jesus as Lord will enter into the narrow gate.
2.) More specifically, those that declare Jesus as Lord, but yet live a life full of lawlessness.
3.) As many that will depend on their own self-righteous works ("did we not prophecy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?") to get them into heaven -- "DEPART FROM ME."
 
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VW

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GraceBeUntoYou said:
There are no such thing as a carnal Christian, they don't exist, otherwise, they're not a genuine Christian at all. In fact, "carnal" and "Christian" don't even belong in the same sentence with one another. All genuine Christians are filled with the Spirit of God, and so to say there are such things as "carnal Christians" is just wicked, and just down right blasphemous.

"Beware of the false prophets,who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" -- Matthew 7:15-23

Matthew 7:15-23 tells us three things:

1.) Not everyone who emphatically declares Jesus as Lord will enter into the narrow gate.
2.) More specifically, those that declare Jesus as Lord, but yet live a life full of lawlessness.
3.) As many that will depend on their own self-righteous works ("did we not prophecy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?") to get them into heaven -- "DEPART FROM ME."
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all genuine christians. do we listen to ourselves?
 
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GraceBeUntoYou

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There is a distinction between the sheep, and those who just claim to be Christian and profess Christ as Lord, but live a life of their own.

Christ said in John 10:27, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;" With that said, we can compare that to Luke 6:46, "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" There's your distinction: His sheep hear His voice, and they follow Him; likewise, there are those that profess Christ, and don't do what He says, and if you read on Luke 6, it compares the two, one as a wise man, and the other.. not such a wise man.
"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
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Again, you can see that same distinction by also comparing Matthew 7:15-23 with John 10:27-29, which says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."

Matthew 7:15-23 says not all men that profess Christ as Lord will enter into heaven, they will perish; likewise, John 10:27-29 proclaims that His sheep will never perish. Not everyone who emphatically declares Christ as Lord is a sheep, some, as Matthew 7:15, are ravenous wolves.

"For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush." -- Luke 6:43-44
 
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GraceBeUntoYou said:
There is a distinction between the sheep, and those who just claim to be Christian and profess Christ as Lord, but live a life of their own.

Christ said in John 10:27, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;" With that said, we can compare that to Luke 6:46, "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" There's your distinction: His sheep hear His voice, and they follow Him; likewise, there are those that profess Christ, and don't do what He says, and if you read on Luke 6, it compares the two, one as a wise man, and the other.. not such a wise man.


Again, you can see that same distinction by also comparing Matthew 7:15-23 with John 10:27-29, which says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."

Matthew 7:15-23 says not all men that profess Christ as Lord will enter into heaven, they will perish; likewise, John 10:27-29 proclaims that His sheep will never perish. Not everyone who emphatically declares Christ as Lord is a sheep, some, as Matthew 7:15, are ravenous wolves.

"For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush." -- Luke 6:43-44
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Another great post, Gracebeuntoyou :)
 
VW

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GraceBeUntoYou said:
There is a distinction between the sheep, and those who just claim to be Christian and profess Christ as Lord, but live a life of their own.

Christ said in John 10:27, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;" With that said, we can compare that to Luke 6:46, "Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" There's your distinction: His sheep hear His voice, and they follow Him; likewise, there are those that profess Christ, and don't do what He says, and if you read on Luke 6, it compares the two, one as a wise man, and the other.. not such a wise man.


Again, you can see that same distinction by also comparing Matthew 7:15-23 with John 10:27-29, which says, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."

Matthew 7:15-23 says not all men that profess Christ as Lord will enter into heaven, they will perish; likewise, John 10:27-29 proclaims that His sheep will never perish. Not everyone who emphatically declares Christ as Lord is a sheep, some, as Matthew 7:15, are ravenous wolves.

"For there is no good tree which produces bad fruit, nor, on the other hand, a bad tree which produces good fruit. For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush." -- Luke 6:43-44
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and how do his sheep hear his voice? and how does he know his sheep?
 
phil36

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You have a deep fixation of only one part of the trinity VW?

Kind regards

Phil
 
VW

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phil36 said:
You have a deep fixation of only one part of the trinity VW?

Kind regards

Phil
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do you think that i do not love the father, or the son?

who have we grieved for many years? the father and the son get angry, but the spirit does not. he only gets grieved. and the father jealously desires the spirit that he has given to us.

it does not matter, believe as you wish.
 
phil36

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VW said:
do you think that i do not love the father, or the son?

who have we grieved for many years? the father and the son get angry, but the spirit does not. he only gets grieved. and the father jealously desires the spirit that he has given to us.

it does not matter, believe as you wish.
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I am not saying you do not, but read back all your posts and you will see that you have a very deep fixation with only one aspect of the trinity thats all.. just an observation.

Kind regards

Phil
 
VW

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phil36 said:
I am not saying you do not, but read back all your posts and you will see that you have a very deep fixation with only one aspect of the trinity thats all.. just an observation.

Kind regards

Phil
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you can have a fixation on a thing, or even a person, but i don't think i will use that description for devotion to the holy spirit who is the spirit of christ and of god the father.

i have a very close relationship with HIM.

i believe that he desires this close relationship with all of us.

but we will not.
 
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imoss

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I wonder if its our business to question the relationship between this man and the Lord. I say this with love & respect to all posters. My uncle has a similar sort of relationship with the Lord, one that I in no way understand but I definitely do not discredit him as truly being in touch with the Lord, the word of God and striving to do the will of God. Jesus is his Lord and savior and he holds Gods word as truth. I think as in all things we require spiritual balance between the word of God and our relationship with God through the Holy Spirit. The articulation of this relationship seems to be the issue. How do you explain ones level of intimacy with God through the HOly Spirit. How does one find the right words for that? Just my observation in all this. Perhaps VW & I disagree about praying to the Holy Spirit but I in no way question that this is a man with a heart and desire to serve the Lord.
 
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AJ52

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mpaper345 said:
hello,

All sin can be forgiven that a person does except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

A person can blaspheme the Son which is the flesh the man Christ Jesus and be forgiven but a person cannot blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and be forgiven.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit means calling God evil when God is a good God that only touches people for good.God never touches a person for evil but only good.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.The love that Jesus showed on this earth is the love that God shows towards people.Jesus did not hurt anybody and took physical and verbal abuse without retaliation.The love that Jesus showed while on this earth still applies today.That is the love that God shows now.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is
1.Saying God is punishing you which you would be calling God evil when God is good.
2.Saying God does not care about you.
3.Saying God does not care about people because of natural disasters happening and people suffering.
4.Anything that calls God evil when God is good.

The truth is that God is always there to touch people for good.God only touches people for good and never evil.

God gave mankind a choice so God will not violate what we want.Things go bad because people do not have God on their side.
God is always there to touch people for good but people have to make the decision to be on God's side then they will have God's protection and peace.
God is touching people to help other people with food,clothing and shelter but people as time goes on are listening less and less.

Matt
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well then im finished....before i went to jesus...i said god didnt care about me
 
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Hi imoss,

I wasn't doubting Vw's relationship with God, it was just an observation. that's all.

Kind regards

Phil
 
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imoss

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Hey Phil, I just want you to know I wasnt only responding to you... I've been reading posts from others to VW as well and just thought i'd throw my 2 cents in.
 
VW

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imoss said:
Hey Phil, I just want you to know I wasnt only responding to you... I've been reading posts from others to VW as well and just thought i'd throw my 2 cents in.
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you know sister, i don't really pray to the holy spirit, but i communicate with him on a very personal level. he knows me better than anyone, and he is more honest with me about myself than i can describe.

i believe that if someone wants to grow in the lord, they should try to develop as close and personal a relationship with the holy spirit as they can.

it does take a change in attitude though.

blessings in his name,
vic
 
phil36

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VW said:
you know sister, i don't really pray to the holy spirit, but i communicate with him on a very personal level. he knows me better than anyone, and he is more honest with me about myself than i can describe.

i believe that if someone wants to grow in the lord, they should try to develop as close and personal a relationship with the holy spirit as they can.

it does take a change in attitude though.

blessings in his name,
vic
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I think we all want to grow in the Lord, and as we grow through the Spirit and our understanding of Scripture grows we will get closer until the final day. having a close relation ship with God does come with study of His word through the power of the Spirit, and prayer by the power of the Spirit to God in the name of Jesus.

Your right VW, the more we get closer to God the more we want to be, the Spirit will help us always as he is the 'Helper'.

Anyhow, How is the Hand VW, I can say one thing, you type better with one hand than I do with 2 lol. praying for your hand VW

Phil
 
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phil36 said:
I think we all want to grow in the Lord, and as we grow through the Spirit and our understanding of Scripture grows we will get closer until the final day. having a close relation ship with God does come with study of His word through the power of the Spirit, and prayer by the power of the Spirit to God in the name of Jesus.

Your right VW, the more we get closer to God the more we want to be, the Spirit will help us always as he is the 'Helper'.

Anyhow, How is the Hand VW, I can say one thing, you type better with one hand than I do with 2 lol. praying for your hand VW

Phil
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you have no idea how long it takes me to peck, or hammer out one small message. seems that i don't have much else to do right now.

the er surgeon did not attach the tendons for my finger right, so i am having surgery thursday by a plastic surgeon who does hands. this guy is really good, i could tell in my spirit just talking to him. anyway, im not real excited about this, but thankful that i see the lord's hand in it. (i could have lost the use of my hand permanently.)

hey, with two hands, i can type around 60 wpm. used to do 80.

his best blessings,
vic
 
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VW said:
you have no idea how long it takes me to peck, or hammer out one small message. seems that i don't have much else to do right now.

the er surgeon did not attach the tendons for my finger right, so i am having surgery thursday by a plastic surgeon who does hands. this guy is really good, i could tell in my spirit just talking to him. anyway, im not real excited about this, but thankful that i see the lord's hand in it. (i could have lost the use of my hand permanently.)

hey, with two hands, i can type around 60 wpm. used to do 80.

his best blessings,
vic
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Well I'll be praying for you VW.

Wow, 80 wpm, I'd be very happy if I could get close to the 60 wpm lol

Kind regards

Phil
 
VW

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phil36 said:
Well I'll be praying for you VW.

Wow, 80 wpm, I'd be very happy if I could get close to the 60 wpm lol

Kind regards

Phil
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i learned to type fast and accurate doing instant chat, that transmitted the letter as you typed it. everyone could see when you made a mistake and backspaced to erase it. got to where i could type faster than i can talk, being from texas where the people talk s l o w.

blessings
vic
 
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