How do you pay salaries to all the pastors?
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The church I attend has one pastor and about forty congregants. Where would one find a church where fifty percent of those in attendance are pastors? You could also say I attend another church of about ten and there are sometimes two pastors there (if they even call themselves that, I am not sure, though I know they are ordained ministers) but we do not tithe at all at that assemblage, which is a Bible study, so...
Im not unhappy. I don't attend. You've skirted the issue. If the pastors are to draw salaries, according to most Christians, how can that be done? If you pay one, it's not fair that you don't pay them all. I'm just saying!
Wheres that shotgunner at? I asked him this 3 times now.....no answer. Crazy mixed up kid that shotgunner is but I like him!
In in fact no one has answered these scriptures yet. Curious, wouldn't you say? I thought we were all standing on His word and His word alone! Hmm!
Wheres that shotgunner at? I asked him this 3 times now.....no answer. Crazy mixed up kid that shotgunner is but I like him!
In in fact no one has answered these scriptures yet. Curious, wouldn't you say? I thought we were all standing on His word and His word alone! Hmm!
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I didn't answer you before because it is a ridiculous scenario. It still is!
The fact is that most pastors with a congregation of less than 200 aren't paid enough to live off of. Even with more in the congregation the salary is mostly a love offering rather than a salary. Most pastors live very meek and humble lives and struggle with finances. The reason that they do is because of people who don't love them enough to give more to the church than they spend on their own entertainment. Many will give a $5 offering on Sunday and then tip their waitress more at lunch afterward. What I find remarkable is that pastors love them anyway and take their 2 am calls and pray with them at any hour of need.
The fact is that most pastors with a congregation of less than 200 aren't paid enough to live off of. Even with more in the congregation the salary is mostly a love offering rather than a salary. Most pastors live very meek and humble lives and struggle with finances. The reason that they do is because of people who don't love them enough to give more to the church than they spend on their own entertainment. Many will give a $5 offering on Sunday and then tip their waitress more at lunch afterward. What I find remarkable is that pastors love them anyway and take their 2 am calls and pray with them at any hour of need.
Brother you need to stop with the post on Pastors receiving a salary from the church. If you don't want to give it Don't but do not keep doing this. I showed you in 1 cor 9 about why they should receive a salary. This is why Paul said he will not enforce his right to receive because of people who think like you do. He would rather not be a stumbling block to them and have thigs like this said.
It is difficult to let things go that are obviously wrong in an assembly or 'church' because some of us have seen what we might consider more than our share of "inequities" shall we say, but I trust God's opinion and if He knows some of us can endure more than others, I am pleased He considers me one of them. Personally, I believe that a pastor who has truly been called by God and teaches absolute truth is worth what he would get paid, but that is a rare thing indeed!
I do find it interesting that you will defend the "right" of pastors to get paid, not dependent upon their teaching truth or not, because about 2 years ago you defended a woman for calling me 'Satan' in the Bible Discussion chat room... and for no reason! Maybe you don't remember that incident but it all started with a comment about going to church because it was early on a Sunday morning. I don't feel like saying this here is out of line since the chat room was a public place and that is where all the conversation took place. The incident made a big impression on me and I dare say that I learned something about pastors and CC both that day. When pastors do things like that without even attempting to see what the truth was, I have little respect for them. And pay them? No way!
I do find it interesting that you will defend the "right" of pastors to get paid, not dependent upon their teaching truth or not, because about 2 years ago you defended a woman for calling me 'Satan' in the Bible Discussion chat room... and for no reason! Maybe you don't remember that incident but it all started with a comment about going to church because it was early on a Sunday morning. I don't feel like saying this here is out of line since the chat room was a public place and that is where all the conversation took place. The incident made a big impression on me and I dare say that I learned something about pastors and CC both that day. When pastors do things like that without even attempting to see what the truth was, I have little respect for them. And pay them? No way!
With all due respect 1Cor. 9 is talking about those that preach the good news to those that have not heard, as Paul did, a traveling preacher. He was not a fixture in a local body.
So people that think like I do, are in full agreement with Paul. In Acts 20, he tells all the pastors of a local body they should work secular jobs. That means that people that think like you do, are thinking contrary to Paul and the word of God. Meaning no disrespect of course.
Again, either all the pastors receive salaries or they don't. Which is it
So people that think like I do, are in full agreement with Paul. In Acts 20, he tells all the pastors of a local body they should work secular jobs. That means that people that think like you do, are thinking contrary to Paul and the word of God. Meaning no disrespect of course.
Again, either all the pastors receive salaries or they don't. Which is it
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I don't know how else to say it. You all say that only one pastor out of many in an assembly should quit his job and receive a salary. Paul said all the pastors should work. If one quits his job, why shouldn't all quit their jobs.
Lets try this. Paul said that all pastors should work a secular job. Now answer that.
Lets try this. Paul said that all pastors should work a secular job. Now answer that.
We have 2 paid pastors and 200 in the congregation. Almost all of those 200 are involved in serving in the church in one ministry or another. One 90 year old woman reads the Scriptures in the service. She is involved with helping in the senior's ministry.
Everyone is a part of the body of Christ in my church. We are not all heads or hands, but we all find a calling and do it. I love that there are no micromanagers. God has opened up amazing doors for me to minister in my church, and there are no cliques who "always have done it and always will."
I don't need to be paid by my church. Even if I was called to be an assistant pastor, which we were talking about before I got so sick, I would not accept a salary. God has provided for my needs. I am retired, so is my husband and we are comfortable. But our young pastors are full time, and they need money to support their families.
Yet, do you remember the days when people had record players and records? Sometimes the record would get a scratch and it would play the same part of the same song over and over and over and over and over and over and over........again.
There is only one thing you can do with a broken record in the end. And that is throw it out!
Or maybe we can move the needle past the skip, and you can find things to ponder in the word of God, like suffering, transformation, sanctification, even eschatology! Anything to stop you from these pointless tirades!!
Broken record, indeed!
Everyone is a part of the body of Christ in my church. We are not all heads or hands, but we all find a calling and do it. I love that there are no micromanagers. God has opened up amazing doors for me to minister in my church, and there are no cliques who "always have done it and always will."
I don't need to be paid by my church. Even if I was called to be an assistant pastor, which we were talking about before I got so sick, I would not accept a salary. God has provided for my needs. I am retired, so is my husband and we are comfortable. But our young pastors are full time, and they need money to support their families.
Yet, do you remember the days when people had record players and records? Sometimes the record would get a scratch and it would play the same part of the same song over and over and over and over and over and over and over........again.
There is only one thing you can do with a broken record in the end. And that is throw it out!
Or maybe we can move the needle past the skip, and you can find things to ponder in the word of God, like suffering, transformation, sanctification, even eschatology! Anything to stop you from these pointless tirades!!
Broken record, indeed!
The situation that you have described is highly unlikely. I believe that it is right to support the pastor or even several pastors and workers depending on the size and needs of the congregation but a 50 /50 mix is really not happening. Unless the congregation are extremely well off there is no way that enough money can be raised to meet the budget. In any case I would not attend such an unusual church.
You seem to have a negative bias to the monetary support of any denomination or church.
It is up to you to attend or not attend church but your posts are doing a disservice to those who decide to worship God in a formal church setting. It says in the bible not to forsake the assembling together as is the custom. Again, that is up to the individual.
What makes you say that we are all standing on His word and His word alone? Did you take a poll to ascertain this? What does that even mean to you anyway?
You seem to have a negative bias to the monetary support of any denomination or church.
It is up to you to attend or not attend church but your posts are doing a disservice to those who decide to worship God in a formal church setting. It says in the bible not to forsake the assembling together as is the custom. Again, that is up to the individual.
What makes you say that we are all standing on His word and His word alone? Did you take a poll to ascertain this? What does that even mean to you anyway?
You really are confused, aren't you?
Well, in 1 1/2 hours, we have the musicians, the sound people, the ushers, the Sunday School Teachers, nursery workers and those who help the invalids find seats. We have a lot of people do personal meet and greet, and connect with others.
But ministry NEVER ends on Sunday morning at 12 noon. We have visitation. I do support work with the mentally ill in our church. We have a lot of different people who preach, and that is a lot of prayer and preparation. We have elders who help run the administration of the church, and also reach out to the community and of course the congregation members to meet various needs.
There are the helpers with the children's mid weeek service, weekend youth ministry, seniors ministry, small group Bible studies, and mentoring one to one new disciples in how to walk with Christ during the week. We have "Mats and Chats" a community outreach for young moms twice a week, which has to be set up for the preschoolers, and believers have to be there to meet the community moms who come in and make them feel welcome and their children comfortable. My DIL actually attends this, because it is so highly recommended on local forums for great things to do for moms during the week. It is an incredible way to reach new moms who are isolated, get them into a safe place and testify for Christ.
I would say probably 50-100 mature saints in the body, and discipling going on with many of the rest of them. The body is not made up of all mature believers. It should never be! There should be new Christians, and hurting and broken Christians, and sometimes mature Christians who are hurting and need some compassion and help.
I did NOT say the two pastors were working secular jobs! Do you read anything?? I said I personally was retired and did not need income. I said clearly the two paid pastors were young, with families, and need income support from the church. And the congregation has chosen these people, and we WANT to support them with our offerings.
We are blessed to have a church with many people who do have a good income, and they participate in many areas of ministry in the church. We have other people who are poor, and we do help them to make ends meet.
Again, your bitterness and anger are clouding your view of the way a church functions. Your envy and unforgiveness have destroyed your ability to find companionship and fellowship in a functioning church.
You are doing nothing for the extension of the Kingdom of God. You are a stumbling block, and you are completely wrong.
Repent and give this unforgiveness and bitterness to God. You thought you obeyed God when you gave everything away. But you did not. You were following after your own inclinations and learnings. Repent that you ran ahead of God. Repent that you are outside of fellowship with the body of Christ.
I know God will welcome you back with open arms when you turn from your wicked, obsessed ways, and return to him.
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Not much information in your op. Please indicate what is specific in that post that I am to conclude. Several assumptions exist in it, but lacks certainty, actuality. Moving on...
"You all say" Does that include me!
"You all say that only one pastor out of many in an assembly should quit his job and receive a salary." I didn't say such a thing. Please connect me to the post where I said such a thing. Still, who did say it? Who? Who is "You all"? Bring them forward. Now.
"Paul said all the pastors should work." Please give the book, chapter, and verse from the bible. I don't know what verse you have in mind.
"If one quits his job, why shouldn't all quit their jobs." So now you don't believe they should work? They should all quit?
Yet, are you a JW? Mormon? Atheist? Agnostic? Save the Whales Activist? Green Peacer? Obamalite? Moabite? Hittite? Shih Tzu? Tree Hugger? Feminist? Anarchist? Exterminator? An English instructor at Berkley! Women's Libber? Anarchist? Catholic? SEIU Leader? I'll check your profile.
"You all say" Does that include me!
"You all say that only one pastor out of many in an assembly should quit his job and receive a salary." I didn't say such a thing. Please connect me to the post where I said such a thing. Still, who did say it? Who? Who is "You all"? Bring them forward. Now.
"Paul said all the pastors should work." Please give the book, chapter, and verse from the bible. I don't know what verse you have in mind.
"If one quits his job, why shouldn't all quit their jobs." So now you don't believe they should work? They should all quit?
Yet, are you a JW? Mormon? Atheist? Agnostic? Save the Whales Activist? Green Peacer? Obamalite? Moabite? Hittite? Shih Tzu? Tree Hugger? Feminist? Anarchist? Exterminator? An English instructor at Berkley! Women's Libber? Anarchist? Catholic? SEIU Leader? I'll check your profile.