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ukok102nak · Oct 1, 2015

just like old times my brethren :happy:
Men who lead their people, lead his/her people not by his own will
But by the will of the people he/her lead :smoke:
Meaning in order to served god we must served our brethren and our fellows
Brothers and sisters and most of all those people whose in needs not with material things but by spiritual awareness :ty:
And we will do it like a child respecting
and serving his/her parents (first thing first)
then after that, the people, country, and the surroundings (environment)

As our lord Jesus Christ told us
That you must love your kind (humans) as you love yourselves
even sometimes the evil we are not aware off were using other people
to temp us so that we may become a sinner again and again but despite of this
we endure any given trials from time to time
because of our faith and love.
That's how we may received the kingdom of
Our lord god the father almighty who is good and doesn't lie.
And remember how he give his only begotten son unto this world
so that we may be saved from the wrath that will unfold before us in time.

All weve said here were just an opinion because
we have a sayings that
" if someone ask you about what is written, answer it from what is written "

:happy: hope we lights up your heart and soul by this simple thoughts of ours
also we hope we don't offend anyone with this opinion of ours :smoke:

we will give the verses after this :ty:

shotgunner · Oct 1, 2015

FreeNChrist said:

The above is very simply stated but with more truth than first appears.

There is only one thing to do and it is to renew your mind to the Word of God. When you are born again it's your Spirit that becomes one with the Lord. You still have your mind, will, and emotions to deal with. That's what the Bible refers to as the flesh. The flesh must be crucified daily, which means put to death daily.

Spend a massive amount of time reading the Bible and it will start to renew your mind. It will start to change the way you think. Up until now all that has influenced your thinking is the world and your past experiences. The only way to change your actions is to change your thinking. If you put enough of the Word of God into yourself, it will change the way you see yourself and the way you see the world.

ukok102nak · Oct 1, 2015

Oh by the way
My brethren :sisid: and my fellows :happy:
I'm not the original :dontknow:

Thank you very much :smoke:

atwhatcost · Oct 1, 2015

Sinner407 said:

Repent = turn from.

We repent from sin, meaning we turn from it.

Advantage -- Christ. We turn from sin TO Christ.

Sin = flesh. God's way = spirit.

You're not crazy. Our flesh and spirit IS always at a battle. And we're stuck with both now.

So turn from sin to Christ, and you're bound to be facing the sin again before you even noticed you turned right back to it. It's that hard.

But the answer is that easy too, repent/turn to AGAIN, and again and again and again.

Seriously, for a while it will make you dizzy because if you're constantly turning, you're circling. But, Jesus really is the answer -- literally.

He told us to pray for our daily bread. He's the provider, so we go to him for all our needs, and everything, absolutely everything, clear down to our next breath, our next heartbeat, our next meal, our desire for him are all sought because it all comes from him. Nothing, nothing is our own doing except our sin, so if we want to stop the cycle we seek him for the daily bread. The daily need for him.

And daily is important. If God gave us what we need for the week, withing a short time (possibly/probably less than a day), we're right back to sure we did that for ourselves. He's really really telling us to go to him when we need him. At first, especially for habitual sin, we'll need him at a pace that exceeds daily -- moment by moment. I've been at this for 43 years now, and I have only made it past moment-by-moment occasionally. But if I see me facing same ole sin -- or even a new brand (because that flesh is always after Me First) -- then I repent/turn to yet again.

He gives us the strength. He gives us the ability. We say through "our spirit," but that's a lie. We were born with a dead spirit. I'm not so sure when he gave us new birth he reborned our dead spirit or really gave us HIS Spirit, but that's what is in us to do good. To do God's way. And that is what we must seek constantly -- moment-by-moment. Ask, and he will give, but he doesn't give for a life time. He gives for now. Keep asking whenever "now" time is up, because you need more "enough for now" then.

Slowly, oh so slowly, remembering to do that does change us, and even there, not through us, but through him.

So, seriously you cannot and never will be able to do God's good with that flesh. You can through his Spirit working in you if you seek and ask and seek and ask as needed.

Just keep remembering it is through him, so every time you catch yourself going back to "I think I'm strong enough to do this one little thing on my own," THAT is the sign that you just started turning back to your sin. just as surely as leaves falling off the tree is a sign winter is coming.

Whenever you think you'r strong enough to pick up your own mantle, take that as a precursor to you're about to sin again, and turn back to Christ.

And don't be fooled. This is an always state for all of us, until we die. Only then do we dropped the ever-annoying flesh.

ukok102nak · Oct 1, 2015

:smoke: Thanks be to God
1 Peter: 4. 4. Wherein they think it strange, that you run not with them into the same confusion of riotousness, speaking evil of you.
5. Who shall render account to him, who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6. For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to the dead: that they might be judged indeed according to men, in the flesh; but may live according to God, in the Spirit.
7. But the end of all is at hand. Be prudent therefore, and watch in prayers.

:happy: A point to remember
Matthew: 16. 15. Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?
16. Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
17. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

:now: always and forever :ty:

dcontroversal · Oct 1, 2015

Well brother....Paul, who was an apostle and wrote almost half of the New Testament said that the things he said he was going to do he did not do and the things he said he was not going to do he did...he also said that when he goes to do good he finds a law that sin is present with him....we all have particular sins and short comings that keep us humble...some can admit it...some deny it....In Christ we can suppress these sins, but does not mean that we will not occassionaly fail..the fact that you are struggling is a good sign that you are in the right path!

DiscipleDave · Oct 1, 2015

Sinner407 said:

Scriptures teach there is no temptation that is so strong that you can't handle it, Scriptures also teach that with every temptation God allows a path out of it. Therefore seek that path.

We are to confess one to another, you need to find people in your life that you can confess this sin too, they may have had the same problem and can give you advice as to how to conquer it. Many, especially men, try to tackle problems by themselves, and do not confess to others. And 98% of the time, they still have those problems to this day.

Also, do not try to tackle all your sins all at once, 9 times out of ten you will fail. Take one sin that you do, and work on it, get rid of it. When that sin is gone work another, get rid of that. i live today as i do, not because i stopped sinning all at once. i gave up 16 years of smoking, Then i worked on anger issues, then i worked on fornicating, then i worked on giving more, then i worked on porn issues, then i gave up sex altogether (been celibate now for over 8 years), then i gave up my life (that is gave up living life for me, and now only do what God wants me to do) Back in the day, when i was tempted, i would immediately start reading the Bible, had a pocket Bible with me at all times, so that when i am tempted, or think about something that i should not, i would open up the Bible and start reading it. Or i would immediately go into prayer, to seek the help of Jesus Strength and Power to overcome whatever the temptation was.

Also there are many Scriptures that really helped me against temptations, such as you will reap what you sow, if then i did do that sin, God does not lie, and one day i would have to pay the consequences of my sinning against Him. Verses like Tribulation and Anguish upon every soul that does evil, helped me to not do that evil, knowing that God will one day make that verse come True, because God does not lie. Also verses that teach if you do wrong, you will be repaid for the wrong which you do. Also the verse that teaches if you sow to the flesh, then of the flesh you SHALL reap corruption. Therefore when i was tempted to sow to the flesh, i thought upon these verses, prayed to God for His Strength and Power, and got out the pocket Bible and started reading it. And guess what? Temptation is gone. You are weak, so am i. i have the same flesh as you and all other males. i am weak in my flesh as well, But guess who is NOT weak? Guess who lives in me? He is STRONG, He has conquered sin, He is strong against the devil, and all temptations.

Another things that helped me, and still helps me to this day, is i know Jesus Christ lives in me, why on Earth would i subject Him to evil deeds. For example if i am having sex with someone, and Jesus is in me, How am i not subjecting Him and the Holy Spirit to that evil deed? When i am committing sin, where is Jesus? i have found in the past when i did commit sin, that when i willingly committed sins, that Jesus was nowhere to be found, i did not want Jesus to be there, let alone in me, when i was living in sins. This is NOT Godly, i was casting Jesus away from me, when i chose to commit sin. Jesus pointed this out to me that i did this thing, and He was True. That is why i ask people from this generation, "When you knowingly and willingly are committing a sin, where is Jesus then?"

Also another thing you can do, and it also helped and still helps me today. Is know that Jesus is watching you, He is with you right now. And when you commit sin, He is standing right there watching you. Knowing this, prevents me from committing sins which i know will upset Him.

Also, Everything you do is recorded in the Book of Remembrance, even your thoughts are recorded as deeds. For example if you fantasize about raping someone, yet you have never raped anyone ever, every time you think about doing it, it is recorded as a deed, whether you did it or never did it. And woe to those who continue to look at porn (which i use to do also) because they are being recorded as DEEDS.

Another thing i do when i am tempted, is realize that my Father in Heaven wants to Bless me, if i do not do that which i am tempted to do. For example, if i sow to the flesh (UN-marital sex) then one day i will reap corruption in my flesh, because the Word of God is True. But if i am tempted to sow to the flesh, and i do NOT do it, then He will Bless me, maybe with good health for the next year, who knows? God does. My point is do bad, and He will punish you, do good and He will Bless you. This is what Scriptures plainly teach over and over again. So when you are tempted and don't do it, that is doing good, and He will Bless you, He desires to Bless people. But how much Blessing is bestowed upon the people of this generation? For who does NOT do that which they are tempted to do? No not this generation, they would rather just commit the sin, and then repent for the same sin over and over and over and over again for the rest of their lives, all the while thinking they are forgiven, not knowing the Scriptures, which teach IF you walk in the light as Jesus did, then the Blood of Jesus cleanseth you from all sin, but that happens only when you walk in the light like Jesus did. i could not walk in the light without Him, i do all things to please Him, NOT myself. All sin is selfishness. Think to please Jesus not self. Those who knowingly and willingly commit sins, which they know full well is sinful yet does it anyways, is indeed selfish, thinking of self and NOT Jesus Christ.

If you are so inclined, you can email me and tell me what it is that you are struggling with, chances are, i have struggled with it to, and have found a way to overcome it, through Jesus Christ.

But the best weapon to use against all temptations is the Word of God, but if a person does not know the Word of God, then how can they use it to help them with temptations? Read the Word continually, it is your weapon against satan and his temptations. i have read the entire Bible from front to back over 80 times in my life, and that is not enough. satan still knows it better than i do, but i now know enough to have the weapon to fight against him, when my weak pathetic flesh comes at me full force via the temptations of the wicked one. i use the Word against him, and he hates it.

But to tell you the Truth, i am not tempted much any more. Oh satan still does every so often, But when he does tempt me to commit a sin, all he is really doing is giving me yet another opportunity to please Jesus Christ and receive a Blessing from my Father in Heaven. i think satan is tired of me, and does not touch me any more, because my desire is to only please Jesus, what can he tempt me with?

i love you all, and would altogether that everyone of you LOVE God with all your heart, all your strength, all your mind, and all your soul. How are you loving God when you choose to commit sin against Him. If you love God with ALL your heart, you will not be obeying satan and committing sins, which shows what is in your heart. a little bit of leaven, leaveneth the whole person. One little bad apple, make the whole tree bad. Better find out the Truth, better find out if what i am saying is the Truth or not the Truth, Eternal Salvation depends on it. Who does Eternal Salvation belong to, read the Inspired by God Scripture below, believe it, don't ignore it, don't make it void, believe it and do it. Obey Him, and He COMMANDS us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Woe to them that don't do what He commands them to do.

^i^ Sorry about the length of this post, couldn't help myself, just trying to help you with temptation.

DiscipleDave · Oct 1, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Romans Chapter 7 was a description of Pauls religious life, BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

What he just got done describing he calls a wretched man, and then asks who can save him from this wretchedness.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Tell me, my flesh is weak, evil, wicked, filthy rags, but doesn't my mind control what the Body does? my point is the body is wicked and loves to sin, but if my mind serves God, and my mind controls what my body does, then i keep my flesh under subjection, i do not obey the flesh or its desires, even though my flesh serves sin, and desires to sin, does not mean i will continue to sin in the flesh, there are many verses which plainly teach to no longer obey the flesh, to mortify the deeds of the flesh. So then just because the body serves sin, Does not give a person license to continue to live in sins. The Mind controls the body, if your mind serves God, it will NOT obey the flesh which serves sin.

This generation does greatly error by thinking Romans Chapter 7 is a description of a Christian. Because it is NOT, it is a description of Paul's religious life BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ, Being under the law, as a Pharisee.

A True Christians life is NOT wretched, because they have Christ in them.

^i^ responding to post # 26

shotgunner · Oct 1, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

Romans Chapter 7 was a description of Pauls religious life, BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

What he just got done describing he calls a wretched man, and then asks who can save him from this wretchedness.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Tell me, my flesh is weak, evil, wicked, filthy rags, but doesn't my mind control what the Body does? my point is the body is wicked and loves to sin, but if my mind serves God, and my mind controls what my body does, then i keep my flesh under subjection, i do not obey the flesh or its desires, even though my flesh serves sin, and desires to sin, does not mean i will continue to sin in the flesh, there are many verses which plainly teach to no longer obey the flesh, to mortify the deeds of the flesh. So then just because the body serves sin, Does not give a person license to continue to live in sins. The Mind controls the body, if your mind serves God, it will NOT obey the flesh which serves sin.

This generation does greatly error by thinking Romans Chapter 7 is a description of a Christian. Because it is NOT, it is a description of Paul's religious life BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ, Being under the law, as a Pharisee.

A True Christians life is NOT wretched, because they have Christ in them.

^i^ responding to post # 26

Romans 7 is not a description of Pauls' life before he was saved. In verse 22 He says that he delights in the law of God after the inward man. The lost Spirit does not delight in the law of God.

dcontroversal · Oct 1, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

I suggest a lesson on verb tense....especially the present tense as your working for salvation and no sin does not fly here dave..if we say that we have no sin (present tense) we are decieved and the truth is not in us...Jesus, Paul and John all bear witness to this and yet you still fail to acknowledge the truth so as to push your sinless false dogma...the spirit which is saved is always willing, but the flesh which is fallen and sinful is weak....there is overwhelming evidence of the conflict between the two.......

Kaycie · Oct 1, 2015

You need more fear (to disobey God). For example, when a person smokes their first cigarette, knowing that they could die from it someday, and that others have died from it, the punishment is not immediate, so they feel freedom to do it now. But would they smoke it knowing that they would die from it sixty seconds later?

Someday we will give an account for our every word, action, and intention. But what if that was done immediately? Would you give more thought into deciding what to do, and think a step ahead? I do. I do because I live my life as if a camera is always on me, and as if a microphone was held up to my mouth just waiting for words to come out and be judged.

Right now God is watching, it's not like He has to wait for the instant play back. When tempted, I think, "Would I do what I'm about to do if I was right in front of God's throne?" Because I know I am right in front of Him, always. I am not like Jonah, thinking I could run away from God.

And even if know I'm forgiven. For example, using smoking again, what if I went to buy a pack of cigarettes, and the cashier told me, "That will cost you one nail." One nail? Yes, a big, rusty train track nail to nail Christ to the cross. What if my every sin cost Christ more torture? Would I feel free to sin as often as I like? Would I sin a little bit less? Or would I look into His eyes, see His tears mix with blood dripping down from His thorn crowned brow, and say, "I just don't have the effort to turn this sin away, so here's another vine of thorns for Your crown."

This is not just real on judgement day, this is real right now! God showed His love to us by His grand efforts, where is our love to Him?

Effort is the evidence of love.

Angel45 · Oct 2, 2015

Sinner407 said:

Jesus came to clarify the divine laws and instructions. We are to seek God’s righteousness and become like Him in all our ways. We are to love and serve our brothers as He does His children, all of them.

It is good to receive. It teaches us to be more appreciative and grateful regarding our blessings. Having been helped and been benefited and realizing the value of helping those in need, it then becomes our obligation to help others in return. Hence, it is better to serve than be served. We will have treasure in heaven instead of debts to pay. What we do for others, we do for God.

"‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you fed me; I was thirsty and you gave me a drink; I was a stranger and you took me in; naked and you clothed me; sick and in prison and you visited me.’

"Then, the righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you anything to drink? Or a stranger and help you? Or naked and clothe you? When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

"And the King will tell them, ‘When you did this for the least of my brothers, you were doing it for me!’" (MT 25)

If we are not exposed to temptation, how can we learn to resist it? Therefore, we will always be tempted. Continued episodes will test us and build our resistance to them. We will succumb at first. Why not? It is pleasurable and no one needs to get hurt. It is good. It is meant to be. But eventually, like little children tiring of their toys, we will lose interest and we will shift our desires, elsewhere. This is natural and normal. Don’t worry about it. We will outgrow all the things of this world. And we will learn to strive for the true treasures that wait for us in Heaven. No need to feel guilty. Experience them. Learn them. Master them. And then they will bother you no more. Abstention is not healthy and often leads to perversion. Moderation is best.

ukok102nak · Oct 2, 2015

:sisid: And that is what we call reality!!

Titus: 1. 13. This testimony is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

DiscipleDave · Oct 2, 2015

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Romans Chapter 7 was a description of Pauls religious life, BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

What he just got done describing he calls a wretched man, and then asks who can save him from this wretchedness.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Tell me, my flesh is weak, evil, wicked, filthy rags, but doesn't my mind control what the Body does? my point is the body is wicked and loves to sin, but if my mind serves God, and my mind controls what my body does, then i keep my flesh under subjection, i do not obey the flesh or its desires, even though my flesh serves sin, and desires to sin, does not mean i will continue to sin in the flesh, there are many verses which plainly teach to no longer obey the flesh, to mortify the deeds of the flesh. So then just because the body serves sin, Does not give a person license to continue to live in sins. The Mind controls the body, if your mind serves God, it will NOT obey the flesh which serves sin.

This generation does greatly error by thinking Romans Chapter 7 is a description of a Christian. Because it is NOT, it is a description of Paul's religious life BEFORE he knew Jesus Christ, Being under the law, as a Pharisee.

A True Christians life is NOT wretched, because they have Christ in them.

^i^ responding to post # 26

shotgunner said:

Are you saying the pharisee did NOT delight in the law of God? All the pharisee delighted in the law of God, they were so delighted by it, they condemned others because they did not live by the law as they did. You do error in thinking they did not delight in the law of God. As i said Paul was referring to his religious life as a pharisee, and the pharisee did indeed delight in the law of God, so much so they were legalistic.

^i^ responding to post #29

DiscipleDave · Oct 2, 2015

dcontroversal said:

lol, you say for me to work on verb tense, and yet you say the word HAVE is present tense.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Have i ever said i HAVE no sin? i HAVE sinned plenty, probably more than you. Anyone who say they have no sin, the Truth is not in them, EXACTLY like Scriptures teach. Anyone who says they have never sinned, is a liar and the Truth is not in them. verse 10 confirms that.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

But let us not forget verse 7 which plainly teaches this.

1Jn 1:7 But if (Conditional, unless you think "if" means something else) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

When does His Blood cleanse a person from all sin? When they walk in the light. Woe to all those who Claim with their mouths they are in the light, yet their deeds are darkness. and they do not walk in the light, all the while professing His Blood cleanseth them from all sins, yet they continue to walk in darkness unable to cease from sinning.

dcontroversal said:

You will not be able to escape this Truth, there is no sin that you do that you are so weak you can't cease from. You can't escape this Truth either, that every temptation that comes upon you, it is not so strong that you can't handle it. And yet another Truth, that with every single temptation that comes upon you, Jesus has a path out of it for you. So you go ahead and use the EXCUSE that your flesh is weak is the reason why you continue to live in sins, so you can sleep better, and NOT have to give up that sin.

Jesus in me, helps me to overcome every temptation. Are you saying that Jesus in you does not help you too? Or do you even seek His help when you are tempted to commit sin?

^i^ responding to post # 30

DiscipleDave · Oct 2, 2015

Kaycie said:

You are not far from the Kingdom of God, these things you have said were given to you by the Holy Spirit of Truth, You would not think these things if the Spirit did not reveal them to you. Your compassion for Jesus, is commendable. Love covers a multitude of sins. It pleases my heart a great deal to see someone else love Jesus as much as you do. my Lord and Savior was killed because of sin, He had to die because of my sin, why on Earth would i continue to do the very things He had to die for? i love Him so much, i will not obey His enemy, i do all things to please Him, because i love Him so much. He died for me, therefore i have died for Him, i no longer live my life for me, i live my life for Him, i wear a wedding ring, yet i am divorced now for over 8 years, when people ask me if i am married, i tell them "Yes, to Jesus" i love Him so much, i testify of Him all over my car, all my shirts (except my work shirts) testify of Jesus Christ, i wear a ring on the other hand that says Jesus, i wear a cross necklace to proclaim to the world that i am a follower of Jesus Christ, i have Jesus pictures on every wall in my house, i Love Him so much, even to the point of people who know me, call me a Jesus Freak, which i am, i live by what i teach. my thoughts are on Him all the day long. Most people are not extreem like i am, But i am this way, because i know full well that if i take my thoughts off of Him for even a minute, satan is there to tempt me to commit sin against Jesus. So i have learned to keep Him on my thoughts 100% of the day, i even chose a profession where i can work and still listen to the Bible for 8 hours a day.
All those nay sayers out there, Are you saying that it is not possible for you to do what i do all day long? It is possible, you just choose not to do so. And therefore choose to continue to live in sins, all the while making excuses for them, so as to not think you have to cease from them.
Again, it pleases me a great deal to know that you Love Jesus that much, that when you are tempted to commit a sin, you think on Jesus and why He died. May God Bless you and those that you love and that love you.

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