Forgiven and Forgotten sins, always?
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Hebrews 10:14-18King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
So if such sins have experienced remission and then because of remission there needs to be no sacrifice, how then do you think our present (or even future) sin needs sacrifice? Does Jesus need to sacrifice Himself again? Keep in mind Jesus did a sacrifice once, once and for all. He took our sins away.
Hebrews 10:12-14King James Version (KJV)
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
There is also this verse,
Hebrews 7:27King James Version (KJV)
27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Now, going back to the idea of Jesus needing to sacrifice Himself again for our sins after conversion, if it only covers past sins then what of future and present sin? Would not these need to be paid for? How is it that Jesus did one sacrifice for all sin, and this only refers to past sin? If it didn't take away ALL sin, past, present, and future Jesus would've had to suffer since the foundation of the world. 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:22-26King James Version (KJV)
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Do you see it clearly now? Sin has been taken care of. Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient. It is because of this sacrifice that your sins have remission and no more sacrifices for sins is needed. Your sins are forgiven and forgotten, they have been taken away!
Psalm 103:12King James Version (KJV)
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
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I am sorry Ben, but as I understand the above scriptures, I am not seeing forgetting, but only forgiving. Also leeford1 has a point in that all of our deeds are recorded for judgement day. I can understand how deeds done before I was saved could be forgotten, and I can see why they might not be forgotten afterward, considering the old person died, which breaks the continuance of the law, but it would seem that the new person must carry the memory of the deeds forward.
A person's sins are forgiven completely past, present and future by Jesus when they are born again. This puts them in a permanent relationship with Jesus.
John 3:16, John 5:24, John 10:28, Ephesians 2:8-9
This is justification.
Now, a born again believer can then either pursue Jesus, or not. If they choose to pursue.. they build a CLOSER relationship with Jesus. They experience an abundant life in Jesus.
If they do not pursue.. get caught up in the world, they are then disciplined, rebuked. But -- Jesus had justified them already. That remains.
Like a relationship a child has in a family.. they are born into the family.. that is permanent.. doesn't change. But they can then either learn from and love their parents or not. That will determine how close they are in intimacy with their parents.
So, what you have is two facets. The unconditional part.. at the point of being born again into God's Family. Then the conditional part.. which does not affect the unconditional part.. and that is closeness that a believer builds with Jesus.
Sins are forgiven.. but they will still affect the rewards 'the crown' that a believer gets when they die and be with Jesus. Everybody sins.. but we do have the ability to 'build treasures in heaven'.
(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(1Co 3:12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(1Co 3:13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(1Co 3:14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(1Co 3:15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The foundation is never removed by Jesus. But the foundation can be built on by living in closeness to Jesus.
John 3:16, John 5:24, John 10:28, Ephesians 2:8-9
This is justification.
Now, a born again believer can then either pursue Jesus, or not. If they choose to pursue.. they build a CLOSER relationship with Jesus. They experience an abundant life in Jesus.
If they do not pursue.. get caught up in the world, they are then disciplined, rebuked. But -- Jesus had justified them already. That remains.
Like a relationship a child has in a family.. they are born into the family.. that is permanent.. doesn't change. But they can then either learn from and love their parents or not. That will determine how close they are in intimacy with their parents.
So, what you have is two facets. The unconditional part.. at the point of being born again into God's Family. Then the conditional part.. which does not affect the unconditional part.. and that is closeness that a believer builds with Jesus.
Sins are forgiven.. but they will still affect the rewards 'the crown' that a believer gets when they die and be with Jesus. Everybody sins.. but we do have the ability to 'build treasures in heaven'.
(1Co 3:11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(1Co 3:12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(1Co 3:13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(1Co 3:14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(1Co 3:15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
The foundation is never removed by Jesus. But the foundation can be built on by living in closeness to Jesus.
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Hebrews 8:12
"For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
Hebrews 10:17
Then He adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
Seems pretty clear to me.
The Apostle Paul says, "forget about it".
Philippians 3:13
"But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead"
"For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
Hebrews 10:17
Then He adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
Seems pretty clear to me.
The Apostle Paul says, "forget about it".
Philippians 3:13
"But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead"
W
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.
Hebrews 8:12
22"Yet you have not called on me, Jacob,
you have not wearied yourselves for me, Israel.
23You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings,
nor honored me with your sacrifices.
I have not burdened you with grain offerings
nor wearied you with demands for incense.
24You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me,
or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices.
But you have burdened me with your sins
and wearied me with your offenses.
25"I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.
Isaiah 43:22-25
and will remember their sins no more.
Hebrews 8:12
22"Yet you have not called on me, Jacob,
you have not wearied yourselves for me, Israel.
23You have not brought me sheep for burnt offerings,
nor honored me with your sacrifices.
I have not burdened you with grain offerings
nor wearied you with demands for incense.
24You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me,
or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices.
But you have burdened me with your sins
and wearied me with your offenses.
25"I, even I, am he who blots out
your transgressions, for my own sake,
and remembers your sins no more.
Isaiah 43:22-25
I appreciate your posts and find the subject still a little confusing. wwjd_kilden, FreeNChrist and BenFTW have mentioned Hebrews 8:12 which does say that sins will be forgiven and forgotten, but it doesn't mention specifically that those sins committed after the salvation will be forgotten. Wattie's post does have the verses, 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 with a specific mention of sins being remembered, not in word, but in the deed of rewards being burned while the doer is saved.
If sins cause you to think you are unrighteous - think again.
Read Romans 1:17: Our righteousness is by faith from first to last. Sin has already been dealt with on the cross. It no longer affects our righteous standing before God. All He sees is our FAITH.
"The righteous will live by faith" - not by being without sin.
Read Romans 1:17: Our righteousness is by faith from first to last. Sin has already been dealt with on the cross. It no longer affects our righteous standing before God. All He sees is our FAITH.
"The righteous will live by faith" - not by being without sin.
K
When they are repented and confessed of they also are forgiven and forgotten never to be used against you.
Sinning here or there and confessing them and returning to walking in the Light will not cause one's salvation to be as stake. What will put salvation at stake is if a person continues to deliberately commit sins without repentance, and/or return to a sinful lifestyle to where it controls them again.
We are told clearly we can not serve two masters, as we can not serve His righteousness in our lives and serve sin both !!!
Sinning here or there and confessing them and returning to walking in the Light will not cause one's salvation to be as stake. What will put salvation at stake is if a person continues to deliberately commit sins without repentance, and/or return to a sinful lifestyle to where it controls them again.
We are told clearly we can not serve two masters, as we can not serve His righteousness in our lives and serve sin both !!!
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jesus died 2000 years ago. So if he died for our (past tin (those who were after his death, but before we recieved him) then he also died for our future, sin,
since ALL sin we ever commited were future the moment he paid for them.
Now this doe snot give one a reason or excuse to go sin all they want, A child who is forgiven, and loves his father owuld never want to do this, if someone does. I doubt they were ever forgiven.
