Not at all. Paul declares there is no other gospel than that delivered by Jesus Christ, and if any man preach another, not that there is another, let him be cursed. No, everything Paul teaches is in agreement with Jesus Christ, and any time it may seem to conflict, it is not being understood. I will add this is the attitude all must have when reading Paul's writings and it seems to confuse them, wait on the Lord, and all will come. Meanwhile take a lesson from Mary, when she did not understand something, she would keep it in her heart. I believe she did this because she knew understanding would come.
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I do not except any wrong doing in indicating when a person is deliberately hurtful, or twisting what is being shared purposely,. Never have I indicated that by attempting to obey I am earning salvation. This accusation comes up repeatedly from the same sources without foundation, and it also smarks what the op is stating, and what children of obedience do.
I will repeat what I have already posted. Children of obedience are very much like the publican who asked God to forgive him, a sinner. After earnestly asking this, they are justified. We say to our Father, "We cannot possibly be perfect in obeying yy the law, try as we may(as we do.)" You know what He says? He says, "Of course not, this is why you have Jesus Chrisas your Savior." We then go away justified, for we are saved by grace. No on seems to understand this at all, perverting, and it is a perversion, being children of obedience into being under the law, casting doubt on being obedient. This is evil, for it is spoken without substantiation of what they are saying. Quite a difference for out of ignorance.
Forgive my tardiness in responding at times. I am sleeping while most of you are awake. God bless you...
I will repeat what I have already posted. Children of obedience are very much like the publican who asked God to forgive him, a sinner. After earnestly asking this, they are justified. We say to our Father, "We cannot possibly be perfect in obeying yy the law, try as we may(as we do.)" You know what He says? He says, "Of course not, this is why you have Jesus Chrisas your Savior." We then go away justified, for we are saved by grace. No on seems to understand this at all, perverting, and it is a perversion, being children of obedience into being under the law, casting doubt on being obedient. This is evil, for it is spoken without substantiation of what they are saying. Quite a difference for out of ignorance.
Forgive my tardiness in responding at times. I am sleeping while most of you are awake. God bless you...
You're close but no cigar. 
I agree that we are certainly not saved by the works of the law. That is clearly vain. You err in one point however, because man's self made, hand written ordinances are what God's word speaks against, even though in some scriptures it sounds as if Paul is actually speaking against God's ordinances.
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14
Read Acts 24:14 and you will notice that Paul worshiped by believing all things written in the law. This was not his works, but rather God's works in him by the faith he was given.
Think about what God's word reveals by his ordinances, and conclude in your heart that it was given to reveal the enmity that was nailed to the cross and slain. Yes, the Word of God was nailed to the cross but that didn't make Him wrong. The spiritual aspects of the temple ordinances still apply in Christ, Him being the High Priest who will never die. Hebrews 8:13 The physical (flesh/carnal) of those ordinances are gone however.
Ephesians 2:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, "even" (added word not in the original) the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
God didn't speak into existence a wall of partition between Him and us. He revealed to us, by His law, what built the wall of partition called enmity. That''s what was crucified.
God did not say some things that He had to kill later. Neither did God speak into existence sin and death in order to bring life. His law reveals it, not creates it.
I agree that we are certainly not saved by the works of the law. That is clearly vain. You err in one point however, because man's self made, hand written ordinances are what God's word speaks against, even though in some scriptures it sounds as if Paul is actually speaking against God's ordinances. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14
Read Acts 24:14 and you will notice that Paul worshiped by believing all things written in the law. This was not his works, but rather God's works in him by the faith he was given.
Think about what God's word reveals by his ordinances, and conclude in your heart that it was given to reveal the enmity that was nailed to the cross and slain. Yes, the Word of God was nailed to the cross but that didn't make Him wrong. The spiritual aspects of the temple ordinances still apply in Christ, Him being the High Priest who will never die. Hebrews 8:13 The physical (flesh/carnal) of those ordinances are gone however.
Ephesians 2:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, "even" (added word not in the original) the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
God didn't speak into existence a wall of partition between Him and us. He revealed to us, by His law, what built the wall of partition called enmity. That''s what was crucified.
God did not say some things that He had to kill later. Neither did God speak into existence sin and death in order to bring life. His law reveals it, not creates it.
I have to strongly disagree with you, because the old covenant animal sacrifices were part of those old 'ordinances' in the law that our Lord Jesus nailed to His cross. Just because Apostle Paul said he believed everything written does not mean he failed to recognize the end of those old blood ordinances in the old covenant.
I understand you, and mostly agree. Knowledge of sin comes by the law. So yes, it is necessary to point out our sin, and show us that we cannot ever be perfect in keeping it, and that we need The Saviour. Apostle Paul said that we all were concluded under sin so that Salvation could be to those who believe (Galatians). So yes, it definitely has a purpose in pointing to God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ.
But more in a practical sense is how I interpret what Paul said in 1 Tim.1:8-11. He didn't list the unpardonable sin which will not be forgiven, not in this world nor in the next. Thus God's law still has a purpose for His Church today, not to condemn those in the Church which walk by The Spirit, but to punish the wicked who follow not after Christ. Those things Paul said are not going to go away at Christ's future Judgment either, as he showed in the Galatians 5 version.
But more in a practical sense is how I interpret what Paul said in 1 Tim.1:8-11. He didn't list the unpardonable sin which will not be forgiven, not in this world nor in the next. Thus God's law still has a purpose for His Church today, not to condemn those in the Church which walk by The Spirit, but to punish the wicked who follow not after Christ. Those things Paul said are not going to go away at Christ's future Judgment either, as he showed in the Galatians 5 version.
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How does one differentiate from man made rules and God made rules? It appears to me that there are more gray areas than a lot would care to admit....ie....something that causes discomfort in one suddenly becomes the sin of another. Of course there are indisputable truths and I am sure that we can agree on many, but...there is more than one way to expose sin. God bless you as well.
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Two completely different things (unrelated):
1. What is "smarks?" Or, if that's a typo, what was it supposed to be? (I keep thinking I'm fluent in typos, but didn't get that one, and I'm pretty sure you're not talking wrestler's fan bases. lol)
2. I'm an insomniac, so I'm usually up when Americans are sleeping. lol
1. What is "smarks?" Or, if that's a typo, what was it supposed to be? (I keep thinking I'm fluent in typos, but didn't get that one, and I'm pretty sure you're not talking wrestler's fan bases. lol)
2. I'm an insomniac, so I'm usually up when Americans are sleeping. lol
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Learn God's rules? (Sounds like I'm being snarky, but I'm not.) That's why I'm really into studying the Law, so I do know what God commanded and don't get swept up in 21st century deviations of that.
An example of 21st century deviation: "Tolerance." The new word for love.
Meh. Not even. But people will tell us we're supposed to tolerate everyone and everything.
An example of 21st century deviation: "Tolerance." The new word for love.
Meh. Not even. But people will tell us we're supposed to tolerate everyone and everything.
Why am I a bit touchy about unfounded accusations of being "a legalist," and under the law? Most recently this same flock swooped in and among them they went so far as to say I refuse the Blood of Jesus Christ. I asked one of them to confess His Blood as his salvation, to no avail.
My salvation is because of and by the Blood of Jesus Christ. He is my salvation and the only salvation of any. I bow the knee and confess daily He is Lord.........This is my id as a believer of Jesus Christ.
I will not forget being told I deny His precious Blood, so when a person starts with "You are under the law." I will always remember the charge following. It is evil, it is cruel, and it is a lie........all products of Satan. No denying,.
All who believe they are children of obedience must believe Jesus Christ first, for we cannot obey perfectly as did our Savior, but we are expected and commanded to attempt our best until God, Himself, finishes sthat work He began in each of us.
Again, yes, it is evil to tell someone who is as I, and there a many, that they are under the law, it seems to me they are also thinking the evil second charge, not accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
To smark is a negative action or a negative thought verbalized with no foundation........
My salvation is because of and by the Blood of Jesus Christ. He is my salvation and the only salvation of any. I bow the knee and confess daily He is Lord.........This is my id as a believer of Jesus Christ.
I will not forget being told I deny His precious Blood, so when a person starts with "You are under the law." I will always remember the charge following. It is evil, it is cruel, and it is a lie........all products of Satan. No denying,.
All who believe they are children of obedience must believe Jesus Christ first, for we cannot obey perfectly as did our Savior, but we are expected and commanded to attempt our best until God, Himself, finishes sthat work He began in each of us.
Again, yes, it is evil to tell someone who is as I, and there a many, that they are under the law, it seems to me they are also thinking the evil second charge, not accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
To smark is a negative action or a negative thought verbalized with no foundation........
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sirk,
you may also not believe what we are saying to you, but my husband and I are over-joyed that
you have decided not to get 'crossways' with people anymore.
if you can do this, one need never worry about being wrong-fully condemned -
as it is written,
'Perfect love casts out all fear'..............
this would be a true sign humility and growing in Christ.
sirk,
you may also not believe what we are saying to you, but my husband and I are over-joyed that
you have decided not to get 'crossways' with people anymore.
if you can do this, one need never worry about being wrong-fully condemned -
as it is written,
'Perfect love casts out all fear'..............
this would be a true sign humility and growing in Christ.
You're close but no cigar. I agree that we are certainly not saved by the works of the law. That is clearly vain. You err in one point however, because man's self made, hand written ordinances are what God's word speaks against, even though in some scriptures it sounds as if Paul is actually speaking against God's ordinances.
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14
Read Acts 24:14 and you will notice that Paul worshiped by believing all things written in the law. This was not his works, but rather God's works in him by the faith he was given.
Think about what God's word reveals by his ordinances, and conclude in your heart that it was given to reveal the enmity that was nailed to the cross and slain. Yes, the Word of God was nailed to the cross but that didn't make Him wrong. The spiritual aspects of the temple ordinances still apply in Christ, Him being the High Priest who will never die. Hebrews 8:13 The physical (flesh/carnal) of those ordinances are gone however.
Ephesians 2:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, "even" (added word not in the original) the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
God didn't speak into existence a wall of partition between Him and us. He revealed to us, by His law, what built the wall of partition called enmity. That''s what was crucified.
God did not say some things that He had to kill later. Neither did God speak into existence sin and death in order to bring life. His law reveals it, not creates it.
I agree that we are certainly not saved by the works of the law. That is clearly vain. You err in one point however, because man's self made, hand written ordinances are what God's word speaks against, even though in some scriptures it sounds as if Paul is actually speaking against God's ordinances. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Colossians 2:14
Read Acts 24:14 and you will notice that Paul worshiped by believing all things written in the law. This was not his works, but rather God's works in him by the faith he was given.
Think about what God's word reveals by his ordinances, and conclude in your heart that it was given to reveal the enmity that was nailed to the cross and slain. Yes, the Word of God was nailed to the cross but that didn't make Him wrong. The spiritual aspects of the temple ordinances still apply in Christ, Him being the High Priest who will never die. Hebrews 8:13 The physical (flesh/carnal) of those ordinances are gone however.
Ephesians 2:14-16
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, "even" (added word not in the original) the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
God didn't speak into existence a wall of partition between Him and us. He revealed to us, by His law, what built the wall of partition called enmity. That''s what was crucified.
God did not say some things that He had to kill later. Neither did God speak into existence sin and death in order to bring life. His law reveals it, not creates it.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.Romans 12:1
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Luke 9:23
Why contend with unchanging, instigated diversity? Romans 16:17
He's been off my ignore list for 3 days now. Haven't heard a peep from the man since he knew I took him off. No PM or nothing. There is something else however that is new to me.
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He's been off my ignore list for 3 days now. Haven't heard a peep from the man since he knew I took him off. No PM or nothing. There is something else however that is new to me.
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There is something ironic in CC that has been around ever since I joined. But it is getting more pronounced, so I will step back and let the stories in the 4 “Gospels” define the precedence of events, as we remember them, in comparison to the tactics the Pharisees used who had a major problem with Jesus Christ.
There is something inverted in CC that more and more people are becoming aware of lately, and that is that these same Pharisaical tactics are noticed here in the same “precedence of events” recorded in scripture. This is clearly bothering the stalkers in that there have been threads started to disparage, and parry the obvious.
The records in the Gospels clearly tell us the the Pharisees were consistently confronting Jesus, trying to catch Him in a verbal trap and dispute so all those in the near proximity would come to the false conclusion that Jesus was wrong in what He taught. The Pharisees were beginning to lose their notoriety, and that's what lead to our Saviors death.
In CC there are some who are doing the exact same thing, attempting to call those that they follow around from thread to thread a Pharisee, Judaizer, HRM person, legalizer, etc. with an obvious purpose, and that is to stop esteeming the entire Bible, and every word of God as relevant to the believer in Christ. At first this was a little hard for me to understand what the real deal was but it isn't anymore.
There are some that just cannot bear the thought that “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God,” as Jesus quoted the law to Satan. Deuteronomy 8:3
Why? The word of God is seen as limited and not everlasting according to the Spirit of truth.
There is something inverted in CC that more and more people are becoming aware of lately, and that is that these same Pharisaical tactics are noticed here in the same “precedence of events” recorded in scripture. This is clearly bothering the stalkers in that there have been threads started to disparage, and parry the obvious.
The records in the Gospels clearly tell us the the Pharisees were consistently confronting Jesus, trying to catch Him in a verbal trap and dispute so all those in the near proximity would come to the false conclusion that Jesus was wrong in what He taught. The Pharisees were beginning to lose their notoriety, and that's what lead to our Saviors death.
In CC there are some who are doing the exact same thing, attempting to call those that they follow around from thread to thread a Pharisee, Judaizer, HRM person, legalizer, etc. with an obvious purpose, and that is to stop esteeming the entire Bible, and every word of God as relevant to the believer in Christ. At first this was a little hard for me to understand what the real deal was but it isn't anymore.
There are some that just cannot bear the thought that “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God,” as Jesus quoted the law to Satan. Deuteronomy 8:3
Why? The word of God is seen as limited and not everlasting according to the Spirit of truth.
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