The 7 seals of Rev. 6...What do you think?

[Jackson123]

I don't pretend top know all the things in this book nor understand what all the symbolism means. But we do know some things.

The 7 seals have been opened. How do we know this? The scriptures tell us.

Rev. 6:1 "when the Lamb opened one of the seals"
Rev. 6:3 "and when he had opened the 2nd seal"
Rev. 6:5 "and when he had opened the 3rd seal"
Rev. 6:7 "and when he had opened the 4th seal"
Rev. 6:9 "and when he had open the 5th seal"
Rev. 6:12 "and when he had opened the 6th seal"
Rev. 8:1 'and when he had opened the 7th seal"

The 7th seal had seven angels prepared to sound a trumpet....Rev. 8:2 and 6
These seven angels had seven vials which are the wrath of God Rev 16:1

Each of these 7 angels sounded their trumpet and poured out their vails.
When the 7th angel poured out his vail into the AIR, we find the words "it is done" in Rev. 16:17.

When our Lord died on the cross he said "It is finished"
And he the Lord was the one who opened the seals.

Now what do you think and please keep any comments biblical,(give scripture), and as brief as you can.

If I understand correctly, is that mean you believe seventh trumpet was happen when Jesus said It is finish?

After that will no war, no famine etc anymore?

Seem to me seventh trumpet not happen yet and will happen in the end of 7 years tribulation.

 

[PTH]

Post 17 answers this nicely....what the thunders uttered has not been revealed.......

In 2Cor.12:7 Paul was given a thorn in the flesh. I was taught that no one knows what it was but some people had some good guesses like eyes site and a few other things. When it actually tells in the same verse what the thorn in the flesh was, the messenger of Satan to buffet me. So if someone were to say that Paul's thorn in the flesh has not been revealed and I know what it is. So just because one person or many million people don't know does not mean it has not been revealed.

 

[Ahwatukee]

In 2Cor.12:7 Paul was given a thorn in the flesh. I was taught that no one knows what it was but some people had some good guesses like eyes site and a few other things. When it actually tells in the same verse what the thorn in the flesh was, the messenger of Satan to buffet me. So if someone were to say that Paul's thorn in the flesh has not been revealed and I know what it is. So just because one person or many million people don't know does not mean it has not been revealed.

I also, because it says that the thorn was a messenger of Satan, believe that it was an unclean spirit. This is the same thing that happened to Saul in 1 Sam.16:14 where God sent an evil spirit to torment him.

 

[dcontroversal]

In 2Cor.12:7 Paul was given a thorn in the flesh. I was taught that no one knows what it was but some people had some good guesses like eyes site and a few other things. When it actually tells in the same verse what the thorn in the flesh was, the messenger of Satan to buffet me. So if someone were to say that Paul's thorn in the flesh has not been revealed and I know what it is. So just because one person or many million people don't know does not mean it has not been revealed.

Regardless of your example of Paul...God said to not write what the thunders uttered and they are concealed regardless of any man who claims to know what was uttered...now..having said that enlighten us if you think you know!

 

[PTH]

• When the 7th angel poured out the vial a voice from the throne saying it is done. Rev. 10:6&7 says that there should be time no longer but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel. Some people say delay no longer which is a bad interpetation. This is the same seventh angel. The 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial all end with some order of voices, and thundering,and lightnings and and an earthquake. These are the same endings. Bottom line is as Chapters 6 and 7 goes in Rev. so goes the rest of Rev. The rest of Rev. to Rev 21:4 describe chapter 6 and 7 in detail. Hope I am not getting to long. You can start in reverse order this may help. Rev. 21:4 and Rev. 7:17 God shall wipe awey all tears from their eyes. this is when New Jerusalem comes down. Rev. 19:4-10 and Rev 7:9-14, the marriage supper of the lamb. Rev.16 17-21 and Rev. 6:12-17 The destruction of Mystery Babylon in which Rev. chapters 17 and 18 desciibe in detail the 7th vial. Maybe hard to believe but it is true.​
• dcontroversal This is what I posted at post 13. This was for to get someone started in understanding the book of Revelalation if the Holy Spirit lead them in that direction. There is so much information on this web site that at the end of the day, week, or year that a person would have to be blessed to only obtain go sound doctrine with zero bad doctrine. Not only to babes in Christ but to all. There is a burning desire in many to understand Revelation. If someone would read the book of Revelation every day for six month before study time each day, and come to same conclusion as me, which was Lord there is no way one person can figure this out. I wanted to quit but didn't. All I had was just one little bit of light to build from. No more light for 6 months. Just as much study, prayer, and worship and 3 years latter you read this. I would have been very thankful for this information when I started 4 years ago. Yes I could tell you what the 7 thunders are, I will pray about that. You can take this information and pray, worship and study and you could tell me what they are.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello PTH,

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place in exactly the order that you see them in the book of Revelation, which is why they are numbered 1 thru 7 for each set. We know for example, that the bowl judgments are in chronological order and are the last set of plagues of God's wrath as can be deduced from the following:

"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."

These seven bowl judgments are treated as a unit "because with them" God's wrath is completed. Consequently, if the bowls are said to be last, then plagues of wrath had to come before them, that is, something had to be first, which would be the seals and the trumpets. Another proof that these judgments are in the order that they appear in Revelation is that, trumpets 5, 6 and 7 are referred to as woes. After the fifth trumpet is completed, we see the following:

"The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come"

Likewise, after the sixth trumpet we see the following:

"The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon"

The words "passed" and "yet to come" demonstrate a sequential order, ergo, the fifth trumpet/1st woe is followed by the sixth trumpet/2nd woe, which is followed by the seventh trumpet/3rd woe. Therefore, since we can see that these trumpets along with the bowl judgments are definitely in chronological order, the seals and the first four trumpets are also going to be in chronological order.

Yes, there are some similarities between the seals, trumpets and bowls, but that is all that they are, similarities. A good example of this would be the earthquake that takes place at the sixth seal, compared to the earthquake which takes place at the seventh bowl judgment. But, if one pays close attention to the detail, the earthquake at the sixth seal only stirs, excites, moves the mountains and islands in their foundations. In contrast, the earthquake that takes place at the seventh bowl is described as the strongest earthquake that has ever taken place since man has been on the earth, the result being that, the islands disappear and the mountains cannot be found. They're gone! Also because of that earthquake, the cities of the nations are said to collapse, which would infer a world-wide earthquake. So there are similarities found throughout those seven sets of plagues, but are actually different events.

 

[dcontroversal]

• When the 7th angel poured out the vial a voice from the throne saying it is done. Rev. 10:6&7 says that there should be time no longer but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel. Some people say delay no longer which is a bad interpetation. This is the same seventh angel. The 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial all end with some order of voices, and thundering,and lightnings and and an earthquake. These are the same endings. Bottom line is as Chapters 6 and 7 goes in Rev. so goes the rest of Rev. The rest of Rev. to Rev 21:4 describe chapter 6 and 7 in detail. Hope I am not getting to long. You can start in reverse order this may help. Rev. 21:4 and Rev. 7:17 God shall wipe awey all tears from their eyes. this is when New Jerusalem comes down. Rev. 19:4-10 and Rev 7:9-14, the marriage supper of the lamb. Rev.16 17-21 and Rev. 6:12-17 The destruction of Mystery Babylon in which Rev. chapters 17 and 18 desciibe in detail the 7th vial. Maybe hard to believe but it is true.​
• dcontroversal This is what I posted at post 13. This was for to get someone started in understanding the book of Revelalation if the Holy Spirit lead them in that direction. There is so much information on this web site that at the end of the day, week, or year that a person would have to be blessed to only obtain go sound doctrine with zero bad doctrine. Not only to babes in Christ but to all. There is a burning desire in many to understand Revelation. If someone would read the book of Revelation every day for six month before study time each day, and come to same conclusion as me, which was Lord there is no way one person can figure this out. I wanted to quit but didn't. All I had was just one little bit of light to build from. No more light for 6 months. Just as much study, prayer, and worship and 3 years latter you read this. I would have been very thankful for this information when I started 4 years ago. Yes I could tell you what the 7 thunders are, I will pray about that. You can take this information and pray, worship and study and you could tell me what they are.

First of all I have studied intently for the last 26 years...primarily the end...and there are two things maybe three that I will say...

1st....The 7 things uttered were not written..hence NOT REVEALED
2nd...It is totally contrary to say you know and then not post it for all to learn as that is what one is to do with the word of God..pass on the knowledge gleaned...
3rd....While it is true...that the word anaginosko is used in verse three of chapter one and each time you go thru the book you will glean a deeper understanding....you cannot KNOW WHAT HAS NOT BEEN REVEALED...

Now for the 2nd or 3rd time...if the thunders have been revealed to you it is your responsibility..yea obligation to post what has been revealed so ALL CAN GLEAN THE TRUTH....

 

[Jackson123]

I don't pretend top know all the things in this book nor understand what all the symbolism means. But we do know some things.

The 7 seals have been opened. How do we know this? The scriptures tell us.

Rev. 6:1 "when the Lamb opened one of the seals"
Rev. 6:3 "and when he had opened the 2nd seal"
Rev. 6:5 "and when he had opened the 3rd seal"
Rev. 6:7 "and when he had opened the 4th seal"
Rev. 6:9 "and when he had open the 5th seal"
Rev. 6:12 "and when he had opened the 6th seal"
Rev. 8:1 'and when he had opened the 7th seal"

The 7th seal had seven angels prepared to sound a trumpet....Rev. 8:2 and 6
These seven angels had seven vials which are the wrath of God Rev 16:1

Each of these 7 angels sounded their trumpet and poured out their vails.
When the 7th angel poured out his vail into the AIR, we find the words "it is done" in Rev. 16:17.

When our Lord died on the cross he said "It is finished"
And he the Lord was the one who opened the seals.

Now what do you think and please keep any comments biblical,(give scripture), and as brief as you can.

It tell that the Lord is in control.

Every thing happen after the Lord open seal.

It mean if He not open the seal, it will not happen

for example, rev 6:5 when the Lord open third seal, then famine happen.

Why the Lord open this seal? Is the Lord do not love human and make famine?

I believe the Lord love human and the Lord focus in salvation, spiritual salvation not physical prosperity.

In the history of Israel, every time His people run away from the Lord, the Lord sent a famine, or foreign invasion, or epidemic.




5 When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creaturesay, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse!Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
6 Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

 

[DP]

I don't pretend top know all the things in this book nor understand what all the symbolism means. But we do know some things.

The 7 seals have been opened. How do we know this? The scriptures tell us.

Rev. 6:1 "when the Lamb opened one of the seals"
Rev. 6:3 "and when he had opened the 2nd seal"
Rev. 6:5 "and when he had opened the 3rd seal"
Rev. 6:7 "and when he had opened the 4th seal"
Rev. 6:9 "and when he had open the 5th seal"
Rev. 6:12 "and when he had opened the 6th seal"
Rev. 8:1 'and when he had opened the 7th seal"

The 7th seal had seven angels prepared to sound a trumpet....Rev. 8:2 and 6
These seven angels had seven vials which are the wrath of God Rev 16:1

Each of these 7 angels sounded their trumpet and poured out their vails.
When the 7th angel poured out his vail into the AIR, we find the words "it is done" in Rev. 16:17.

When our Lord died on the cross he said "It is finished"
And he the Lord was the one who opened the seals.

Now what do you think and please keep any comments biblical,(give scripture), and as brief as you can.

Well, I think you're stretching some ideas there, like what our Lord Jesus said "It is finished". By that He wasn't talking about every prophecy written in God's Word was finished, but a specific prophecy, that of His 1st coming to die on the cross, which was prophesied a thousand years beforehand through His servant David (Ps.22).

Also with the idea of the opening of the seals, that opening by Christ does not mean they were all opened as to their operation, but opened involving understanding. The main idea of His Revelation is to show His Church things that must come to pass which involve the ending of this present world, and the world to come. That's what the act of opening the seals is doing.

With trumpets, the idea is different, because trumpets in Israel were especially used to signal the order of battle in war. And the Revelation trumpets very much symbolize battle with Satan's host at the end. Because of that we can count on the events on the seven trumpets being in order. And Jesus gave us 3 woe periods attached to the last 3 trumpets, to signal the events leading up to His coming.