Paul wasn't contradicting himself

[just-me]

After his arrest, Paul said of himself [SUP] "[/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

Paul also wrote to the Galatians saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:24-25

Paul didn't lose his faith after his arrest, which obviously was after his conversion. What was the clear truthful point that Paul was making to the Galatians abut the schoolmaster being the law, and then also to Felix believing all things in the law after his arrest.

Obviously the law of God didn't disappear in Paul's life because of his faith. He was a Pharisee, but not a hypocritical one.

Here are some other scriptures to reckon with concerning this subject. Please do not argue with people who start arguing. LOL

Romans 9:32

Galatians 3:2

Galatians 3:5

Romans 7:12

Romans 3:28

Romans 3:31

Romans 7:12

Galatians 3:11

Galatians 5:4

Romans 7:7

Romans 7:14

Romans 8:7

 

[eternally-gratefull]

lol. You do not give it up do you.

This is so sad..

If Paul said the law was a tutor to bring us to Christ, but after this faith has been realized. we are no longer under a tutor

He can not contradict himself and say we still puts himself under a tutor.

And why did you open another thread instead of putting this in the thread in which this is ra response to. do we not have enough law threads now?

I can;t believe the mods would allow this.. But such as it is.

You still make paul contradict himself.

 

[gb9]

After his arrest, Paul said of himself [SUP] "[/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

Paul also wrote to the Galatians saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:24-25

Paul didn't lose his faith after his arrest, which obviously was after his conversion. What was the clear truthful point that Paul was making to the Galatians abut the schoolmaster being the law, and then also to Felix believing all things in the law after his arrest.

Obviously the law of God didn't disappear in Paul's life because of his faith. He was a Pharisee, but not a hypocritical one.

Here are some other scriptures to reckon with concerning this subject. Please do not argue with people who start arguing. LOL

Romans 9:32

Galatians 3:2

Galatians 3:5

Romans 7:12

Romans 3:28

Romans 3:31

Romans 7:12

Galatians 3:11

Galatians 5:4

Romans 7:7

Romans 7:14

Romans 8:7

his specialty: plucking verses out of context to make a pre-conceived idea.

 

[valiant]

After his arrest, Paul said of himself [SUP] "[/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

what you fail to point out is that Paul stresses that he follows the way of heresy in the Pharisees eyes. What he believed in the law and the prophets was what it said about that heresy. Thus he was setting the Pharisees aside and repudiating them.

 

[Least]

After his arrest, Paul said of himself [SUP] "[/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

Paul also wrote to the Galatians saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:24-25

Paul didn't lose his faith after his arrest, which obviously was after his conversion. What was the clear truthful point that Paul was making to the Galatians abut the schoolmaster being the law, and then also to Felix believing all things in the law after his arrest.

Obviously the law of God didn't disappear in Paul's life because of his faith. He was a Pharisee, but not a hypocritical one.

Here are some other scriptures to reckon with concerning this subject. Please do not argue with people who start arguing. LOL

Romans 9:32

Galatians 3:2

Galatians 3:5

Romans 7:12

Romans 3:28

Romans 3:31

Romans 7:12

Galatians 3:11

Galatians 5:4

Romans 7:7

Romans 7:14

Romans 8:7

Interesting Just_me,

I was just looking at this passage in Acts.

Acts 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
Acts 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of these things before me?
Acts 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Acts 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

Going back to the accusations:

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
Acts 24:6 Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.
Acts 24:7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,
Acts 24:8 Commanding his accusers to come unto thee: by examining of whom thyself mayest take knowledge of all these things, whereof we accuse him.
Acts 24:9 And the Jews also assented, saying that these things were so.


Paul clearly stated in his defense that he has done none of the things of which they accused him of doing.The scriptures are always so edifying.Going through the verses in Galatians that you shared.

Another verse that came to mind is 119:165.

 

[just-me]

Paul clearly stated in his defense that he has done none of the things of which they accused him of doing.The scriptures are always so edifying.Going through the verses in Galatians that you shared.

Another verse that came to mind is 119:165.

Psalm 119:165 I presume "Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great post. Thanks for contributing this to those that read the scriptures you presented here. May God bless all who read the truth and sincerely reach out to God in prayer and discernment to understand it.

I was thinking of another thing that Paul wrote to the Corinthians concerning their scheduled reading of the scriptures. May the Lord God's Holy Spirit take away the vail for those that are truly seeking Him. His promise is that they will find Him. Matthew 7:7

2 Corinthians 3:10-15
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15[/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Interesting Just_me,

I was just looking at this passage in Acts.

Acts 25:8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.
Acts 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of these things before me?
Acts 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.
Acts 25:11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

Going back to the accusations:

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
Acts 24:6 Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.
Acts 24:7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,
Acts 24:8 Commanding his accusers to come unto thee: by examining of whom thyself mayest take knowledge of all these things, whereof we accuse him.
Acts 24:9 And the Jews also assented, saying that these things were so.


Paul clearly stated in his defense that he has done none of the things of which they accused him of doing.The scriptures are always so edifying.Going through the verses in Galatians that you shared.

Another verse that came to mind is 119:165.

Still does not prove that Paul taught as a child of God we need to return to law.

Jesus and paul taught that seeking after things of spirit. or the law of love, one will not break the law..

There is a difference in following the law. Like just me wants us to do. and not breaking it, because we focus on something else. Like we believe.

 

[Least]

Psalm 119:165 I presume "Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Great post. Thanks for contributing this to those that read the scriptures you presented here. May God bless all who read the truth and sincerely reach out to God in prayer and discernment to understand it.

I was thinking of another thing that Paul wrote to the Corinthians concerning their scheduled reading of the scriptures. May the Lord God's Holy Spirit take away the vail for those that are truly seeking Him. His promise is that they will find Him. Matthew 7:7

2 Corinthians 3:10-15
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
[SUP]15[/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

I believe that the account that comes with this verse is a foreshadow of what Paul is speaking about in Corinthians.

Exodus 34:34 But when Moses went in before the LORD to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.

I love how Moses removed the vail when he went in to speak with HIM, and replaced it when he came out, and spake unto the children of Isreal that which he was commanded. I think it was you who mentioned in another thread that Moses knew the deeper things. I completely agree, I don't think it's possible to be in the presence of God and not gain that understanding.

I was reading through a post before responding here about the feast of Tabernacles, and went to find a specific verse that came to mind with that post. It actually ties right with the message that you shared here.

Isaiah 25:6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Oh man, that is just amazing! Just another small step in understanding some of the deeper things tied to the feasts~ God's word is so amazing, I know I say it too often, but I doubt I'll ever stop saying it!

In the passage that you shared, Paul is still talking about this very thing.

 

[PeterJens]

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Rom 6:18

Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness
Rom 6:19

There is a problem of language. The law are the commadments, the whole of the Mosaic law. Justification before Jesus was only through the whole show. But this was all a shadow of love planted in our hearts, fulfilled by Jesus on the cross, the eternal demonstration of Gods commitment and heart to save us from the rebellion against Him.

What was the consequence of our sin? We no longer trusted God or knew His heart.
What is the consequences of the cross? We know God, if we obey Jesus and follow his commandments we will find life, because He loves us. Putting faith in Jesus is also obedience, as Jesus says

If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.
Matt 19:17

If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
John 14:15-17

This is a different sense of the law, it is the essence of love, forgiveness, humbleness, righteousness.
Any Christian who says Jesus is calling them back to the law does not understand the shadow and the fulfilment of righteousness and the power of love from the heart.

The law was external to a person, this new law is written on the heart, which bring good works as its fruit.
It is like saying a man who has read a book about how to show your wife you love her, loves her because they have read the book and say the words, or the man who loves his wife but needs to have the words to express it.

The book is the same, but the hearts are different.

It strikes me those who argue against righteousness have not understood Jesus or purity or righteousness, which means I doubt they know what repentance actually is.

 

[passing_through]

After his arrest, Paul said of himself [SUP] "[/SUP]But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:" Acts 24:14

Paul also wrote to the Galatians saying "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3:24-25

Paul didn't lose his faith after his arrest, which obviously was after his conversion. What was the clear truthful point that Paul was making to the Galatians abut the schoolmaster being the law, and then also to Felix believing all things in the law after his arrest.

Obviously the law of God didn't disappear in Paul's life because of his faith. He was a Pharisee, but not a hypocritical one.

Here are some other scriptures to reckon with concerning this subject. Please do not argue with people who start arguing. LOL

In Philpians, Paul was talking about his life before his experience on the road to Damascus, pre-salvation, you genius.

 

[just-me]

So back to the OP
Is Paul saying that we are no longer in need to be ushered to Christ over and over, and time after time when faith comes to us by Christ? Yet in Acts 24:14 Paul's faith is according to the way he worships being with Christ permanently I think. So it appears that the school master stayed with him after doing its preliminary job.

When I read these verses, knowing that God's word is always in context with itself, I liken the schoolmaster to a bicycle with training wheels to assist a beginner to eventually ride without the assistance. Then later the child has learned to ride the same bicycle without having to be assisted and training wheels are removed while the principle of balance is the same with the end result accomplished. Then alas, the child can ride the bike as it was meant to be ridden.

 

[just-me]

In Philpians, Paul was talking about his life before his experience on the road to Damascus, pre-salvation, you genius.

Would you be so kind as to quote that scripture in Philippians? Thanks

 

[just-me]

The law was external to a person, this new law is written on the heart, which bring good works as its fruit.
It is like saying a man who has read a book about how to show your wife you love her, loves her because they have read the book and say the words, or the man who loves his wife but needs to have the words to express it.

The book is the same, but the hearts are different.

It strikes me those who argue against righteousness have not understood Jesus or purity or righteousness, which means I doubt they know what repentance actually is.

Wow! Now that is a good analogy. Thank you for that insight.

 

[BenFTW]

Would you be so kind as to quote that scripture in Philippians? Thanks

You're a genius though! Can't you figure it out? lol I'm only kidding with you Just-me. Passing_through I understand we get weary with certain perspectives over time and it can cause us to get short with them but that sarcasm was demeaning and we are to correct with meekness and respect. I know I'm guilty of it, with quick retorts as well, and I think we can better conduct ourselves. What do you say, lets try? (and then I fail in the next couple of posts, haha... but lets try).

 

[just-me]

You're a genius though! Can't you figure it out? lol I'm only kidding with you Just-me. Passing_through I understand we get weary with certain perspectives over time and it can cause us to get short with them but that sarcasm was demeaning and we are to correct with meekness and respect. I know I'm guilty of it, with quick retorts as well, and I think we can better conduct ourselves. What do you say, lets try? (and then I fail in the next couple of posts, haha... but lets try).

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By the way what's this?
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PM me with the info.

 

[KennethC]

I fear now days if the Apostle Paul went around to multiple churches to teach some would call him a heretic because Paul multiple times showed how the fruit of the Spirit established and upheld the commandments of God in our lives.

In turn he also showed how anybody who transgressed those ways do not have an inheritance in the kingdom of heaven.

Why is it that we see the same people speaking on no standards or morals (law of Christ) have to be followed for new covenant believers, but then we turn around and see them speaking against breaking commands in another place ???
This here is a real contradiction as the Word of God says the law is for those who transgress, and if we sin we have transgressed !!!

Lords righteousness that we are called to walk in will not have one transgress........................

 

[Least]

So back to the OP
Is Paul saying that we are no longer in need to be ushered to Christ over and over, and time after time when faith comes to us by Christ? Yet in Acts 24:14 Paul's faith is according to the way he worships being with Christ permanently I think. So it appears that the school master stayed with him after doing its preliminary job.

When I read these verses, knowing that God's word is always in context with itself, I liken the schoolmaster to a bicycle with training wheels to assist a beginner to eventually ride without the assistance. Then later the child has learned to ride the same bicycle without having to be assisted and training wheels are removed while the principle of balance is the same with the end result accomplished. Then alas, the child can ride the bike as it was meant to be ridden.

I love that analogy! Amen, and it has always been by HIS strength.

2 Samuel 22:33 God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.
2 Samuel 22:34 He maketh my feet like hinds' feet: and setteth me upon my high places.

Habakkuk 3:19 The LORD God is my strength, and he will make my feet like hinds' feet, and he will make me to walk upon mine high places. To the chief singer on my stringed instruments.

Psalms 42:1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.
Psalms 42:2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

Philippians 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

James 1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

 

[just-me]

Acts 24:14 and Galatians 3:24-25 are words from the same person. Anything that comes from only one person who is NOT a liar, have to be in context in every case. It is up to us to conclude the truth, and not to pit one scripture against another because we are unable to discern, or just refuse to discern.

So this thread is to put both of these statements of Paul's together in truth, and in so doing God will be glorified because that's the way God intends scripture to be identified.

2 Peter 1:20

 

[KJV1611]

Acts 24:14 and Galatians 3:24-25 are words from the same person. Anything that comes from only one person who is NOT a liar, have to be in context in every case. It is up to us to conclude the truth, and not to pit one scripture against another because we are unable to discern, or just refuse to discern.

So this thread is to put both of these statements of Paul's together in truth, and in so doing God will be glorified because that's the way God intends scripture to be identified.

2 Peter 1:20

Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

What were they calling heresy?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 24:14 and Galatians 3:24-25 are words from the same person. Anything that comes from only one person who is NOT a liar, have to be in context in every case. It is up to us to conclude the truth, and not to pit one scripture against another because we are unable to discern, or just refuse to discern.

So this thread is to put both of these statements of Paul's together in truth, and in so doing God will be glorified because that's the way God intends scripture to be identified.

2 Peter 1:20

Acts 24. Paul believed ALL things concerning the law and prophets (they pointed to Jesus. When he would come, What he would do when he came. The signs of who he would be. What he would obey (the law) that we could not (the law) (he who knew no sin) and what payment he would make (shed blood, unblemished lamb)
Not to mention all the fiests (passover etc) which pointed to him. Which paul all over the place in the book of Acts used to prove to people. Jesus was the messiah prophesied by the law and prophets.

ie, the law and prophets led him to Christ.

Gal 3. The law was given TO LEAD US TO CHRIST.

No contradiction, they agree..

So why do you reject what Paul said about the law AFTER he came to christ. Yes, he used it to prove to others *yes even gentiles) that Jesus was the messiah, But he did not say we are to go back to live by it..

so again, Why do you cause paul to contradict himself? And how can you live with that being ok????