Being without sin

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MahogonySnail said:
on a side note, this topic is not about salvation. We don't need to be without sin to be saved. Holiness and perfection are to do with the state of the heart towards God, and that being whilst clothed in Christ's righteousness not our own.
Being without sin has benefits for a more secure walk with God (for the sinless person the evil one cannot touch him), greater confidence in our prayers (a clear conscience) and resultant increased faith = greater and faster answers to prayer, and more answered prayers since God won't hear us if we are in sin, greater peace of mind and greater love (love is not made perfect in anyone who fears due to their persistent sinfulness), and greater testimony and witness towards the unsaved (nothing turns an unbeliever off Christ more than a Christian who is shown to be a sinner).
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This is coming from a man who believes that we are continually being justified by how we live and that we could lose our salvation and God's imputed righteousness or walk away from it when it was given to us by grace through faith. Pastor Keith, do you line up with that and have you compromised your faith in the cross of Christ? MS, do you now believe that we are kept by the power of God through faith in the finished work of Christ unto salvation or am I just reading into that / 1Pt 1:5?

If you do, what was it that changed your mind so I can rejoice with you? If not, then what do you believe about God's imputed righteousness? You can't be double-minded about it, you have to hold to the one and reject the other. A sinner that comes to God believes he has either been saved and justified by grace through faith in the cross or he has not. He is either translated from the power of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son or he has not. Is there some middle ground that the scripture teaches that we should know about? What might that be? Is eternal redemption just that, ETERNAL, or did Jesus obtain some other kind of redemption for us?
 
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I've always believed in imputed righteousness you are not understanding my view.

Loss of salvation is based upon a condition of faith being false.

In the condition of faith a person is secure and has God's imputed righteousness.

The bible says if any turns back God will not be pleased with them.

Imputed righteousness and losing salvation are entirely compatable views.

To express my view more clearly,
We don't need to be without sin to be saved - as long as we have the condition of faith which brings God's imputed righteousness.

And yes we do have free will to choose, reject, continue or turn away. If you would like to argue a case for us being robots where God forces us to do his will, please do so.
 
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all of this means nothing if we truly understand the cross.

at the cross, we were all judged!

this judgment is terminal, death.

in christ we are raised from this death, salvation.

sin is no longer an issue, with god.

the only place sin is an issue is with us. as we are convicted of sin by the holy spirit, we agree with him, confession.

jesus cleanses our conscience, and we continue to have fellowship with god, righteousness.

if we do not agree with the conviction of the holy spirit, we have no fellowsip with god, because we are not practicing the truth, unrighteousness.
 
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phil36 said:
Hi Lauren, He doesn't actually state that, if you read his essay(well its not an essay just a few points) and posts he seems to be referring that this is his own Hypotheses.

If he is SDA, then why would even bother reinventing the wheel of their theology.

Thanks for that Lauren, I just asumed he was coming in some form of Evangelical stance (but he is trying to give the impression that he has discovered something new).

Phil
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You are right, Phil. While I'm somewhat familiar with SDA theology, there views on soteriology are not something I'm particularly aware of, and any connection to my research is the result of working from the same Bible and nothing more.
While for obvious reasons I don't fit particularly well with any one denomination, I do self-identify as COG-Anderson, an evangelical church as you guessed. They, in turn, would not be too pleased with my soteriology.
I should point out that when I say my blog is incomplete, I mean that it is, in all likelihood, less than 50% complete. Again, as you pointed out, Phil, the blog really only deals with one of the many overlapping theological considerations pertaining to soteriology as a whole. I hope in time to cover more of them in order to demonstrate a more complete and coherent theology on the whole.
BTW, as a last note for now, your "defense" of my posts was gracious, as I know you don't agree with me but you were giving me the benefit of the doubt anyway. Thank you.
 
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