Being without sin

[MahogonySnail]

Is it possible for a Christian to go by one day without sinning? You bet it is. It is even expected of us:

1Jn 3:6 Everyone who abides in Him does not sin. Everyone who sins has not seen Him nor known Him.


1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.



We must not deny our sins and confess them as soon as possible, if we have sinned, however there is nothing in the bible, that says "I must say that I have sinned today just for the sake of saying it. " I am often amazed at the fatalistic attitude of, and bondage that some christians put others through, in demanding that others must sink to their level of seeing themself as a sinner, even if they in fact are not. I am sure there are christians out there who deliberately sin, or think less of their sins, just to prove their claims (or other's claims) that they are still sinners or have sin. The perception we have of ourself can be a powerful thing.

 

[MahogonySnail]

See yourself, as in the verses I gave above, as someone who simply cannot sin because God's seed is in you. And if you believe that you cannot sin, because God's seed is in you, you will not even try to sin. Believing that you are half sinner and half saint, and can switch between the two at will, is one of the biggest lies of satan that keeps christians in bondage to sin.

Rather, the apostle tells us to think of ourselves as being dead to sin, and alive to God:

Rom 6:11 Likewise count yourselves also to be truly dead to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Gal 5:16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear Mahogony,
This is not what is meant with these Scriptures you first quoted................You'll have to get the LIFETIME GUARANTEE book to learn it........


SeekinHIM................The secret lies in THESSALONIANS 5:23............Let me know what you discover about the Thess. 5:23 verse.

 

[MahogonySnail]

1Th 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is another good verse that shows how christians should be blameless i.e. sin free. He is saying they should be holy and kept from transgression until Jesus should return. That is the honest desire of every true christian. That's what I get from reading the bible, and I don't need your book to understand it.

Here's some more:

Php 2:15 so that you may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation. Among these you shine as lights in the world,


1Co 1:8 He shall also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Act 24:16 And in this I exercise myself, always to have a blameless conscience toward God and men.


2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, think of the kind of holy and godly people you ought to be

 

[SeekinHIM]

Deuteronomy 25:25 says an interesting thing...............GOD hides many meanings from those whom just try intellectually, to figure HIM out........

There are many verses in HIS Word that indicate this...........some are subtle, some are not............

STRONG MEAT FOR THE MATURE, DOES NOT MEAN THOSE WHO THEOLOGICALLY STUDY TIL' THEIR EYEBALLS FALL OUT, IT MEANS THOSE WHOM HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD..............

Think about it this way................Are you married..........? If you are, let me ask you a question ...............Do you tell your most intimate secrets that you and your wife discuss together with others.................PROBABLY NOT, AS A MATTER OF FACT I HOPE NOT FOR YOUR SAKE AND YOUR WIFES SAKE..............This is not so different with GOD..............Only those whom are in LOVE WITH HIS SON, AND WHAT HE DID FOR US, are told HIS most intimate secrets................NOT THOSE WHO JUST TRY FROM A LEGALISTIC STAND POINT TO FIGURE OUT HIS WORD.........THAT'S DEAD.

HE even says so in this Scripture...............THE LETTER OF THE LAW KILLS................BUT THE SPRIRIT GIVES LIFE...........

SeekinHIM

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear Bro,

You missed the secret , you stepped right over it ...............read it again......

SeekinHIM

 

[MahogonySnail]

There's nothing too secret about reading things in a book now is there?

Here is a verse which proves I don't need your book:
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Only those whom are in LOVE WITH HIS SON, AND WHAT HE DID FOR US, are told HIS most intimate secrets................NOT THOSE WHO JUST TRY FROM A LEGALISTIC STAND POINT TO FIGURE OUT HIS WORD.........THAT'S DEAD.

Are you making a case for hidden knowledge, aka gnosticism?

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear Brother,

I gave the wrong chapter and verse in Deuteronomy...........sorry, it's Deuteronomy 29:29 .......The secret things belong to GOD.....

SeekinHIM

 

[MahogonySnail]

Deuteronomy 25:25 says an interesting thing...............GOD hides many meanings from those whom just try intellectually, to figure HIM out........

Well whatever verse it is you are quoting, it doesn't say what you say it says. It is saying quite the opposite. It is saying that there are things we shouldnt seek God about, and be content to dwell in the things He has already revealed to us. I don't believe there is anything hidden in Christianity, except to come to a greater and deeper understanding of things already revealed.

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear Brother,

I'm not sure what Bible you are reading but mine, which is the KING JAMES VERSION says

"The secret things belong unto the LORD our GOD but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law........"

Friend, my hope and prayer for you is that you have great peace...............Joy unspeakable and full of Glory...............And yes the goal is not sinning...........But it's only by allowing CHRIST to do this in and through us is that ever remotely possible.

Why did HE move inside of us in the first place...........You never answered that question which I asked you some time ago........?

Do you really think you could do this on your own..............? So then what do we need HIM in us for..........?

SeekinHIM

 

[shad]

The more we grow in grace and knowledge of Christ and are conformed to His nature through the promises of God, the greater it is revealed how desperately wicked our hearts really are. That's why we are to guard our heart / Prov 4:23. Early in our walk with God, as a babe, we engaged in a thought life that we considered to be alright and acceptable, only to realize later in our walk as we matured and grew in conviction of the truth, that is was not acceptable but we were covered by love because God was doing a work in us. Some are not ready to be fed with meat because they have no capacity for it and they live with a carnal mind and don't realize it. That's how a believer can be carnal in their mind. They are always being fed milk because they can not take the meat. How can you have your pudding when you can't eat meat (paraphrased).

We put so much emphasis on outward acts of sin, committing sin outwardly that is discernible to the moral eye of others, but their is more to sin that involves our thought life, the condition of our heart and in the things that we omit / Jer 17:9, Is 1:5, Jm 4:17. There is the outward act of adultery and their is also the inward act of adultery in the heart / Mt 5:28, 2Pt 2:14. We have to be renewed in our mind through the word and doctrine every day to keep our heart from being conformed to the lusts of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life / Rom 12:2, 1Jn 2:15,16. David said it this way, 'Thy word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against thee' / Ps 119:11.

As believers we are to learn how to hate sin and love righteousness. The more we grow the more we abstain from sin in the mind and heart and we do the things that God has called us to do through grace. If we fail and sin, God is merciful to our unrighteousness / Heb 8:12. Jesus learned obedience by the things He suffered, so through the work of the cross and the Holy Spirit within, we learn to have no desire for sin. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak / Mt 26:41. If we do sin, we confess it as unrighteousness to God and He is faithful and just to forgive us / 1Jn 1:9.

We only perceive ourselves to be sinners because the old sin nature was never taken from us and because of our constant need for grace. When we get our new glorified bodies, that will have no sentence of death within, then we can say that we are no longer sinners and will be without sin. For now we confess that Christ paid for our sin and has given us the law of the Spirit of life through the incorruptible seed, to make us free from the law of sin and death / Rom 8:2. We acknowledge that positionally as the truth and God works that into our lives experientially as we walk by faith in that promise and to deny ourselves by taking up our cross.

 

[SeekinHIM]

Dear Shad,

WOW ............OK NOW WE ARE HAVING CHURCH WOOOOHOOOOO.............THIS IS GOOD, NO IT'S VERY GOOD MY FRIEND..........

Thank you my friend.

SeekinHIM

 

[VW]

paul wrote, at the end of his life, that jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom he (paul) was chief.

as we grow in god, as we see him clearer by spending time in his presence, we gain the vision of his majesty and holiness and perfection. we can only see ourselves in that light.

this is why we come to the light, to see which works are wrought in god.

our works are not an inheritance.

 

[distinctiveministry]

Jesus said, "Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."
The Pharisees, of course, were dilligent to keep every letter of the Law. During His public ministry, however, Jesus frequently clashed with the Pharisees and called their righteouness something other than righteousness. The Pharisees had the "thou shalt nots" and the "thou shalts" down pat, but they did not have God's character, His love for all, His compassion, patience, justice, mercy, and holiness, and were accordingly found to be short of the standard of Christ. Jeremiah 31:31cf is the first passage of the OT that clearly defines the "New Covenant", saying that we will no longer have a law written on tablets of stone, but rather a law written on our hearts- ie transforming and conforming our very nature and character to God's, not just our outward actions. It is unfortunate that many fail to realize that the change to New Covenant is not one from the Law to no law, but to a law written within us by God. Lawlessness and the acceptance of sin as a normal part of Christian living is the subject of false teachers, of those who would take "free" grace and find a way to cheapen it. Followers of Christ must PURSUE godly character, while realizing that this pursuit is vain without God's aid.

 

[Israel]

1Th 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is another good verse that shows how christians should be blameless i.e. sin free. He is saying they should be holy and kept from transgression until Jesus should return. That is the honest desire of every true christian. That's what I get from reading the bible, and I don't need your book to understand it.

Here's some more:

Php 2:15 so that you may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation. Among these you shine as lights in the world,


1Co 1:8 He shall also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Act 24:16 And in this I exercise myself, always to have a blameless conscience toward God and men.


2Pe 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, think of the kind of holy and godly people you ought to be

Deuteronomy 25:25 says an interesting thing...............GOD hides many meanings from those whom just try intellectually, to figure HIM out........

There are many verses in HIS Word that indicate this...........some are subtle, some are not............

STRONG MEAT FOR THE MATURE, DOES NOT MEAN THOSE WHO THEOLOGICALLY STUDY TIL' THEIR EYEBALLS FALL OUT, IT MEANS THOSE WHOM HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD..............

Think about it this way................Are you married..........? If you are, let me ask you a question ...............Do you tell your most intimate secrets that you and your wife discuss together with others.................PROBABLY NOT, AS A MATTER OF FACT I HOPE NOT FOR YOUR SAKE AND YOUR WIFES SAKE..............This is not so different with GOD..............Only those whom are in LOVE WITH HIS SON, AND WHAT HE DID FOR US, are told HIS most intimate secrets................NOT THOSE WHO JUST TRY FROM A LEGALISTIC STAND POINT TO FIGURE OUT HIS WORD.........THAT'S DEAD.

HE even says so in this Scripture...............THE LETTER OF THE LAW KILLS................BUT THE SPRIRIT GIVES LIFE...........

SeekinHIM

I agree with you as we must be sanctified, but the only way we can know who it is that sanctifies us is by keeping His Sabbaths. Not in the letter of the law which kills, but in the Spirit which gives life.

 

[resurrection33]

Is it possible for a Christian to go by one day without sinning? You bet it is. It is even expected of us:

1Jn 3:6 Everyone who abides in Him does not sin. Everyone who sins has not seen Him nor known Him.


1Jn 3:9 Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.



We must not deny our sins and confess them as soon as possible, if we have sinned, however there is nothing in the bible, that says "I must say that I have sinned today just for the sake of saying it. " I am often amazed at the fatalistic attitude of, and bondage that some christians put others through, in demanding that others must sink to their level of seeing themself as a sinner, even if they in fact are not. I am sure there are christians out there who deliberately sin, or think less of their sins, just to prove their claims (or other's claims) that they are still sinners or have sin. The perception we have of ourself can be a powerful thing.

It’s refreshing to hear someone say this. We have all sinned, and repentance is a challenging task, but the sooner we accomplish the task, the sooner we find peace of mind. Right?

 

[loveschild]

Its a daily job to keep the flesh down. But the flesh is still there and it was cursed because of Adam and Eve. No person is perfect only God is so yes people will still sin.
I know your not saying your God and your perfect.
Thats why we repent and keep trying not to sin.

 

[resurrection33]

Its a daily job to keep the flesh down. But the flesh is still there and it was cursed because of Adam and Eve. No person is perfect only God is so yes people will still sin.
I know your not saying your God and your perfect.
Thats why we repent and keep trying not to sin.

I have sinned many times in my life, but I don’t think it’s productive to blame it on Adam and Eve. I have to take responsibility for my own actions, and like you say, I have to, on a daily basis, try not to sin. God bless

 

[VW]

Jesus said, "Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."
The Pharisees, of course, were dilligent to keep every letter of the Law. During His public ministry, however, Jesus frequently clashed with the Pharisees and called their righteouness something other than righteousness. The Pharisees had the "thou shalt nots" and the "thou shalts" down pat, but they did not have God's character, His love for all, His compassion, patience, justice, mercy, and holiness, and were accordingly found to be short of the standard of Christ. Jeremiah 31:31cf is the first passage of the OT that clearly defines the "New Covenant", saying that we will no longer have a law written on tablets of stone, but rather a law written on our hearts- ie transforming and conforming our very nature and character to God's, not just our outward actions. It is unfortunate that many fail to realize that the change to New Covenant is not one from the Law to no law, but to a law written within us by God. Lawlessness and the acceptance of sin as a normal part of Christian living is the subject of false teachers, of those who would take "free" grace and find a way to cheapen it. Followers of Christ must PURSUE godly character, while realizing that this pursuit is vain without God's aid.

actually, you are still advocating a form of law, ie rules and ordinances.

god has given us his nature, which is love, by his spirit, and that is a law which is not of ordinances, but rather a fact of being. everyone who loves is born of god, and god lives in him.

it is too simple for us to believe, but we must. it does not make sense to our natural mind, but is the truth in jesus christ.

do we know that he was under no law while here? he perfectly saw the father, and followed him in all things, without any other guidance, and pleased his father perfectly, so that the father said, "this is my son, in whom i am well pleased."

the slave is under rules. the son is only under a tutor, until he comes of age, then there are no rules.

little children are forgiven for his name's sake. fathers know him who has been from the beginning.