Law of Moses Dissected: Extracting the Moral Law

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crossnote

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I'm not looking for the "do, I'm looking for the done.

In Christ.
From the done we do :)

Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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Love God with all your heart, mind and soul and Love your neighor as yourself. You have a problem with this?
Yes, I do if Christ and the Holy Spirit doesn't produce all that in me in a living way.

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Today no Christian has to tell another Christian through a written commandment to Love the Lord.

The Holy Spirit witnesses of the Love of the Lord, we love him because he first loved us.
 

Grandpa

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From the done we do :)

Romans 12:1-2 (KJV)
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

John 15:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


You can't really love God with all your heart and strength if you haven't received the Love that He gives to begin with.
 

mailmandan

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You can't really love God with all your heart and strength if you haven't received the Love that He gives to begin with.
Amen! Romans 5:5 - Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

In Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. Now which good works could a Christian do that are "completely detached" from these two great commandments which are found in the Law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18).
 

Grandpa

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Ephesians 1:17-19
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Ephesians 2:4-10

[SUP]4 [/SUP]But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[SUP]9[/SUP]Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


I was trying to expound on what Crossnote was saying and the Law of Liberty in Christ Jesus the Lord.
 

JGIG

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All of Jesus' moral and ethical teachings come from the Law of Moses; but not all the moral and ethical teachings of Moses were taught by Jesus.

The Law micromanaged every area of life; while Jesus taught moral principles; and left to the Holy Spirit the task of guiding us through the details.
I would take it a step further: Jesus' ethical and moral teachings came from love, for love fulfills the Law. If one is loving others, one is not murdering, stealing, committing adultery - further, one is not even thinking about murdering, coveting, lusting, etc. etc. etc. - the spirituality of the Law.

Christ taught the unattainable apart from His Spirit living in us and producing His Fruit. He magnified the Law - made it even harder to keep, driving us to Grace, to Him - to life being led by His Spirit, not by Law. How is the Law fulfilled? Not by us trying to keep the jots and tittles (which have been made obsolete in Christ and His Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood), but by bearing the Fruit that the Spirit of Christ produces in us, and that only happens as one is led by the Spirit.

"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law", and "The Fruit of the Spirit is love . . . " Note that it's the Fruit of the Spirit and not the FruitS of the Spirit. Everything after love is a characteristic of love - joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control - compare to 1 Cor. 13 - Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.

Ethics and morals have no advantage over the love that Christ produces in and through us.

Soooo much doctrine boils down to and is measured by that simple Truth. Only two laws in the New Covenant: Believe in the One God sent and love one another. Simple.

-JGIG
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I would take it a step further: Jesus' ethical and moral teachings came from love, for love fulfills the Law. If one is loving others, one is not murdering, stealing, committing adultery - further, one is not even thinking about murdering, coveting, lusting, etc. etc. etc. - the spirituality of the Law.

Christ taught the unattainable apart from His Spirit living in us and producing His Fruit. He magnified the Law - made it even harder to keep, driving us to Grace, to Him - to life being led by His Spirit, not by Law. How is the Law fulfilled? Not by us trying to keep the jots and tittles (which have been made obsolete in Christ and His Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood), but by bearing the Fruit that the Spirit of Christ produces in us, and that only happens as one is led by the Spirit.

"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law", and "The Fruit of the Spirit is love . . . " Note that it's the Fruit of the Spirit and not the FruitS of the Spirit. Everything after love is a characteristic of love - joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control - compare to 1 Cor. 13 - Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends.

Ethics and morals have no advantage over the love that Christ produces in and through us.

Soooo much doctrine boils down to and is measured by that simple Truth. Only two laws in the New Covenant: Believe in the One God sent and love one another. Simple.

-JGIG

what a glorious day when we get to heaven, and this is finally realized.
 

JGIG

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How do you think we got the concept of the ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws, cleansing laws, moral laws, and such ???

We got those concepts because this is how the Jews divided the laws since the beginning, and since they are the one's who the law was original first given to then we should take from them how the law is to be looked at.
Divisions/categories of the Laws given at Sinai cannot be supported Biblically - the Law functioned as a comprehensive unit.

'Concepts' dividing the Law into categories came as man progressively watered it down and started 'keeping' a law of his own creation. Started with the Pharisees, continues on with modern Jesus + Torah folks today . . .

To keep the Law as it was given is what is commanded in Scriptures.

Do anything less and you're not keeping ANY of it (see James 2:10, Galatians 3:10).

-JGIG