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FreeNChrist

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Do you think it is too much to ask for every church over 600 average attendants... to each sponsor one traveler... to work every day for at least 8 hours...practicing conforming to and moving in actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words that Jesus Christ of Nazareth actually did already? Then I believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth will work among us continually in a way that eye has not seen and ear has not heard as of yet...because God is love...and love is not real love without unity.
Is that what the Christian life is? Trying to imitate everything that Jesus Christ of Nazareth did to the best of our ability? And you want to make the "practicing" of that a paid position? Seriously??

Real Christianity is not an imitation, but an expression of Christ within us.
 

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Jesus in no longer the only begotten Son of God. He is now referred to as the first born. All who are born again are sons of God and joint heirs with Christ. Christianity's main problem is that Christians don't know who they are because of the new birth and thus still act like dead men.

I don't have a problem with your game except that it seems to be born of the assumption that one should play at being like Jesus. In reality, all who are born again are born into his image. We are one with Christ. I feel that if Christians just learn who we are because of the new birth ,then your game would be the living reality of every Christian every day.
That was pretty insightful smileyfaceclappinghands.gif
 

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So I am trying to understand this game, is it to basically go out and show love and help those in need and to give our time to God and to others? Because if I understand this correctly this isn't a game to me it's my delight and joy
Yes...you are correct...but one thing Jesus did that we are not doing well is speaking to the world in parables. By the definition of a game...the words typed out are a game....but not at the same time.

Thanks for the word of encouragement.
 

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Jesus in no longer the only begotten Son of God. He is now referred to as the first born. All who are born again are sons of God and joint heirs with Christ. Christianity's main problem is that Christians don't know who they are because of the new birth and thus still act like dead men.

I don't have a problem with your game except that it seems to be born of the assumption that one should play at being like Jesus. In reality, all who are born again are born into his image. We are one with Christ. I feel that if Christians just learn who we are because of the new birth ,then your game would be the living reality of every Christian every day.
Thanks for the input. I do not believe we would be playing at being ambassadors for Christ. I believe God inspired this game, and I believe Jesus is not beyond playing a game for the glory of God. Jesus spoke in parables...and to the world this would be a parable.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Is that what the Christian life is? Trying to imitate everything that Jesus Christ of Nazareth did to the best of our ability? And you want to make the "practicing" of that a paid position? Seriously??

Real Christianity is not an imitation, but an expression of Christ within us.
A paid position? Who was paid for this work of the priesthood first? God recieved payment from Abraham...remember? Those without access to the holiest of all pay those with access 10% of their inheritance...which is not God.

Christians should not tithe to Christians. This is also an easy way for us to practice all things common to a small degree. If a person confesses Christianity... they do not own anything but a portion of God...even our bodies are bought with a price...bought.
 
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FreeNChrist

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A paid position? Who was paid for this work of the priesthood first? God recieved payment from Abraham...remember? Those without access to the holiest of all pay those with access 10% of their inheritance...which is not God.

Christians should not tithe to Christians. This is also an easy way for us to practice all things common to a small degree. If a person confesses Christianity... they do not own anything but a portion of God...even our bodies are bought with a price...bought.
You missed the forest for the trees. The Christian life is not that of monkey see, monkey do, in an attempt to "ape" the behavior of Jesus Christ. The Christian life was never intended to be an attempted "imitation" of the life of Jesus Christ, but as the apostle Paul explained it is the "manifestation of the life of Jesus in our mortal bodies" (2 Cor. 4:10-11).
 

Jon4TheCross

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Mat 25:14

For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

Mat 25:15
And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.

Mat 25:16
Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.

Mat 25:17
And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.

Mat 25:18
But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.

Mat 25:19
After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.

Mat 25:20
And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

Mat 25:21
His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Mat 25:22
He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

Mat 25:23
His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

Mat 25:24
Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

Mat 25:25
And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Mat 25:26
His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Mat 25:27
Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Mat 25:28
Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Mat 25:29
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Jhn 4:35
Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

Jhn 4:36
And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

Jhn 4:37
And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.

Jhn 4:38
I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.
 

Jon4TheCross

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You missed the forest for the trees. The Christian life is not that of monkey see, monkey do, in an attempt to "ape" the behavior of Jesus Christ. The Christian life was never intended to be an attempted "imitation" of the life of Jesus Christ, but as the apostle Paul explained it is the "manifestation of the life of Jesus in our mortal bodies" (2 Cor. 4:10-11).

Tell me then...why does the Bible tell us to imitate examples given us? Jesus said to follow Him...to keep His words, which include body language.
Paul said we should be imitators of him. How else do you motivate a child? They are naturally motivated by what they see...hear...smell...etc.

This game is a new...but God makes all things new, and this game will motivate people to grow on real love (which includes God approved unity, the commonwealth of Israel, and casting lots).

Not judging anyones heart...I am simply doing what God wants me to.

People may hate the real Jesus and The Father too much to play this game.

Christians do not own anything but a portion of God anyways. So this should be looked at as an opportunity...not from a perspective of obligation. We get to choose our reward.

Thanks for the input. I am glad to understand the various perspectives. God approves of this game, and this game is like a training camp for enemy territory.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Tell me then...why does the Bible tell us to imitate examples given us? Jesus said to follow Him...to keep His words, which include body language.
Paul said we should be imitators of him. How else do you motivate a child? They are naturally motivated by what they see...hear...smell...etc.

This game is a new...but God makes all things new, and this game will motivate people to grow on real love (which includes God approved unity, the commonwealth of Israel, and casting lots).

Not judging anyones heart...I am simply doing what God wants me to.

People may hate the real Jesus and The Father too much to play this game.

Christians do not own anything but a portion of God anyways. So this should be looked at as an opportunity...not from a perspective of obligation. We get to choose our reward.

Thanks for the input. I am glad to understand the various perspectives. God approves of this game, and this game is like a training camp for enemy territory.
Okie dokie smokie.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Gal 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.


If a person calls their identity a Christian...they should agree that God is their only inheritance they should call their own.




Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

Gal 6:16

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
 
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Jon4TheCross

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Num 18:19
All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it is a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.

Num 18:20
And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.

Num 18:21

And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Num 18:22
Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die.

Num 18:23
But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Isaiah 59King James Version (KJV)

59*Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

2*But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

3*For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

4*None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

5*They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

6*Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.

7*Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

8*The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.

9*Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.

10*We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

11*We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.

12*For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;

13*In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

14*And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

15*Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.

16*And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

17*For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

18*According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

19*So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

20*And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

21*As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.
 

Blain

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Yes...you are correct...but one thing Jesus did that we are not doing well is speaking to the world in parables. By the definition of a game...the words typed out are a game....but not at the same time.

Thanks for the word of encouragement.
Jesus spoke in parables because he was trying to show his disciple the truth within the truth, there is no need to be speaking in parables Jesus never said we were to preach the kingdom in parables he said to do so in truth and love
 

Jon4TheCross

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Just a reminder...
Those with direct access to the holiest of all behind the veil do (or...should not) tithe to each other...cause that means they have inheritance in the land and God is not their chosen part and inheritance.

The world gives a percentage.
The priests are The Lords...bought and paid for.

This game is a baby step towards the first works and first love. I am not worried about the game being played...but I am sad for those who choose to ignore what the church has been praying for, and what the church needs.....unity with God in actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words. How many pray....Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

Is it so hard to believe that God is ok with us playing a kingdom of heaven game? And that maybe He just might want to play this game with us also?

Sometimes I wonder what people are expecting Heaven to be like...but if people think that games do not exist in Heaven...they should think about it again.

A person/spirit can be continually worshiping God and glorifying Him for all eternity by simply allowing God to overflow from the heart, soul, mind, strength, earthen vessel, and spirit of man.....by following the greatest commandment of all....which starts with.....

Hear, O Israel
 

Jon4TheCross

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Jesus spoke in parables because he was trying to show his disciple the truth within the truth, there is no need to be speaking in parables Jesus never said we were to preach the kingdom in parables he said to do so in truth and love
Matthew 13:9-11King James Version (KJV)

9*Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10*And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11*He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 

Blain

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Just a reminder...
Those with direct access to the holiest of all behind the veil do (or...should not) tithe to each other...cause that means they have inheritance in the land and God is not their chosen part and inheritance.

The world gives a percentage.
The priests are The Lords...bought and paid for.

This game is a baby step towards the first works and first love. I am not worried about the game being played...but I am sad for those who choose to ignore what the church has been praying for, and what the church needs.....unity with God in actions, attitudes, thoughts, and words. How many pray....Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?

Is it so hard to believe that God is ok with us playing a kingdom of heaven game? And that maybe He just might want to play this game with us also?

Sometimes I wonder what people are expecting Heaven to be like...but if people think that games do not exist in Heaven...they should think about it again.

A person/spirit can be continually worshiping God and glorifying Him for all eternity by simply allowing God to overflow from the heart, soul, mind, strength, earthen vessel, and spirit of man.....by following the greatest commandment of all....which starts with.....

Hear, O Israel
Jon the game you are trying to get us to play is not what God said to do, we are to imitate Christ but not how he taught but rather his heart his nature how he loved and honored father and all of us how far he is willing to go for the sake of one lost child no matter how sinful or evil they are no matter how blood stained their souls are. Besides this sin't a game to some of us, to some us this everything to us it is our hearts greatest passion our souls deepest desire our greatest craving to the point that sometimes we can't stand it.

I live this(game) everyday because I desire a love with God for God and for all others that is beyond what anyone has ever seen or known I want to go as far in him as we possibly can I want to push the boundaries test the limits I want to see just how deep how rich how powerful how amazing and how beautiful a love between God and us can be. I refuse to be the average Christian and if I am to see through any eyes it will only be his even if I have to lose sight with my eyes if I am to love then it will only be a love such as his own even if I had to burn in the fires of hell itself for the sake of one lost soul then so be it that is the only kind of love I will accept.

Like I said this isn't a game to some of us, there is a fire that fuels our love and passion for God our every thoughts our every actions our ways of thinking our ways of doing things
 

Jon4TheCross

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Jon the game you are trying to get us to play is not what God said to do, we are to imitate Christ but not how he taught but rather his heart his nature how he loved and honored father and all of us how far he is willing to go for the sake of one lost child no matter how sinful or evil they are no matter how blood stained their souls are. Besides this sin't a game to some of us, to some us this everything to us it is our hearts greatest passion our souls deepest desire our greatest craving to the point that sometimes we can't stand it.

I live this(game) everyday because I desire a love with God for God and for all others that is beyond what anyone has ever seen or known I want to go as far in him as we possibly can I want to push the boundaries test the limits I want to see just how deep how rich how powerful how amazing and how beautiful a love between God and us can be. I refuse to be the average Christian and if I am to see through any eyes it will only be his even if I have to lose sight with my eyes if I am to love then it will only be a love such as his own even if I had to burn in the fires of hell itself for the sake of one lost soul then so be it that is the only kind of love I will accept.

Like I said this isn't a game to some of us, there is a fire that fuels our love and passion for God our every thoughts our every actions our ways of thinking our ways of doing things
You are wrong. Both are true...remember that. It is a parable/game and also a good example of the first works and first love of the truth. Thanks for the input.
 

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You are wrong. Both are true...remember that. It is a parable/game and also a good example of the first works and first love of the truth. Thanks for the input.
whether I am wrong or not we will let God decide that but as for first works and the love of the truth remember that the heart behind everything is what God pays attention too. If you love the truth then you will seek a divine love with God for he is the truth regardless of what doctrine you believe or what denomination you may belong to the deciding factor will be your relationship with God and the works will follow a heart that is hungry for his own.
 

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Revelation 19:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12*His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13*And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14*And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


Anyone care to share what they believe they will see...even in part...concerning what the kingdom of heaven on earth looks like through us? Or should I paste the first example given written in the book of Acts chapter 1-4?

What would you look for if you needed a place to take refuge...anytime...day or night? What would you look for if you wanted to join an army of God?

I would look for a 24/7 gathering of people where there is always someone interceeding day and night...and always somebody reading the Bible outloud day and night.....swords always in use...trusting God to draw all men unto Him being lifted up.
 
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Trading one form of legalism for another form of legalism? I'm not playing.