Is your pastor deceiving you, or is he just ignorant?
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K
That is not what repentance that we do means in the NT, as Lord Jesus Himself tied it to sin as He clearly said unless we repent we would perish.
It is a change of mind, but it is to change our mind about the sinful nature in which we walked in that made us enmity to God. Through repentance to give us remission of sins we being baptized in Christ we are reconciled to God.
Which is why we are told we die to self (old sinful nature) and arise a new in the spirit ( walk by the Spirit), which will strengthen us and lead us away from sins.
The main fallacy with that is that most Jews were likely WAY more careful about trying not to sin than most of us are. It was their very way of life... to attempt to be righteous and commit no sins.
So Jesus was not telling them to act better. He was telling them to give up that idea of "striving to be perfect" in order to be accepted by God. But to, instead, do what God actually said His will was.... to believe on the one He sent to us, His Son.
And that "believing" means to trust that He was telling the truth when He said He was the one who was bringing us Salvation by destroying the power of sin over us.
So Jesus was not telling them to act better. He was telling them to give up that idea of "striving to be perfect" in order to be accepted by God. But to, instead, do what God actually said His will was.... to believe on the one He sent to us, His Son.
And that "believing" means to trust that He was telling the truth when He said He was the one who was bringing us Salvation by destroying the power of sin over us.
K
I guess that is why our Lord Jesus kept telling others go and sin no more, and to walk in love for Him, others, and including enemies.
The incident I was referring to also Jesus told the man do you believe these are worse sinners then him, and then showed him that didn't matter unless he repented of his sins he also would perish. (Luke 13)
Jesus even also said produce fruit met with repentance (Matthew 3:8), meaning that the way should be a clear showing of turning away from sin. Lord Jesus teachings did have a moral standing to be upheld in the faith in Him !!!
The incident I was referring to also Jesus told the man do you believe these are worse sinners then him, and then showed him that didn't matter unless he repented of his sins he also would perish. (Luke 13)
Jesus even also said produce fruit met with repentance (Matthew 3:8), meaning that the way should be a clear showing of turning away from sin. Lord Jesus teachings did have a moral standing to be upheld in the faith in Him !!!
G
Brother Willie, this is so true. In this day and age of fruit inspectors and what we believe true fruit is..................We would call the pharisees saints. We could follow them around with our I-phones for a year and not indict them with our view of "fruits" today. And they were the worst of the worst according to Christ.
Nothing new under the sun. And we are so obsessed with sin and immorality as Christians, the moral, nice guy who has fallen for the(satans) "ace trump" of religion and morality is in the most dangerous spot.
AND you are correct on believing brother! Biblical belief is ......................trust.
Today, the legalist has believing meaning..............law,morality,sinning less,love,turning from sin,obeying "most" of ALL commandments and the list will and can grow.
Nothing new under the sun. And we are so obsessed with sin and immorality as Christians, the moral, nice guy who has fallen for the(satans) "ace trump" of religion and morality is in the most dangerous spot.
AND you are correct on believing brother! Biblical belief is ......................trust.
Today, the legalist has believing meaning..............law,morality,sinning less,love,turning from sin,obeying "most" of ALL commandments and the list will and can grow.
K
What is the purpose of the Holy Spirit abiding in us ???
Also what I stated that Willie-T called fallacy came directly from the Word of God and Lord Jesus Himself to be exact, so then to agree would be saying that you believe Jesus taught falsely ??? Is this what you believe ???
Because Lord Jesus only taught truth and He is the one that said go sin no more, and laid the path in moral standings we are commanded to follow !!!
I was struck by the phrase "Faith in Jesus"
I have faith in Jesus because I wear a cross. I have faith in Jesus because I go to communion, breaking of bread, mass. I have faith in Jesus because I read my bible and say my prayers. I have faith in Jesus because He knows me. I have faith in Jesus because my deep calls to his deep. I have faith in Jesus because I go on pilgramages, do the utmost in christian thought, word and deed.
I have faith in Jesus because I a sinner know I fail at Gods judgement seat and have no clue how to be righteous. Every thought, every action, every deed fails, in a way I do not understand, but it fails. I am desolate, and only His love through that cross saves me, every day of my life. If Jesus can give me any clue how to take a right approach, how to deal with others, how to pray, how to care, how to be a blessing, I will take it. What guides me in the peace He puts in my heart.
Can people fall away? I do not know. Who is saved and who is not? I do not know. All I know is I need Jesus all the time. I want to be a blessing and not a hinderance, a source of uplifting and not bringing down.
Life and emotions are hard, and each day we face many things we wish we did not have to deal with. But Jesus loves us, so we can face the day, eternity is secure, so we can walk with heads held high, that we are worthy, accepted, called righteous, a vessel of His love. I wish I could bring the peace and joy He brings to me to everyones heart, and I desire to learn how, because for me there is no other key to unlock eternity for anyone.
Is this what people mean by "Faith in Jesus"?
I have faith in Jesus because I wear a cross. I have faith in Jesus because I go to communion, breaking of bread, mass. I have faith in Jesus because I read my bible and say my prayers. I have faith in Jesus because He knows me. I have faith in Jesus because my deep calls to his deep. I have faith in Jesus because I go on pilgramages, do the utmost in christian thought, word and deed.
I have faith in Jesus because I a sinner know I fail at Gods judgement seat and have no clue how to be righteous. Every thought, every action, every deed fails, in a way I do not understand, but it fails. I am desolate, and only His love through that cross saves me, every day of my life. If Jesus can give me any clue how to take a right approach, how to deal with others, how to pray, how to care, how to be a blessing, I will take it. What guides me in the peace He puts in my heart.
Can people fall away? I do not know. Who is saved and who is not? I do not know. All I know is I need Jesus all the time. I want to be a blessing and not a hinderance, a source of uplifting and not bringing down.
Life and emotions are hard, and each day we face many things we wish we did not have to deal with. But Jesus loves us, so we can face the day, eternity is secure, so we can walk with heads held high, that we are worthy, accepted, called righteous, a vessel of His love. I wish I could bring the peace and joy He brings to me to everyones heart, and I desire to learn how, because for me there is no other key to unlock eternity for anyone.
Is this what people mean by "Faith in Jesus"?
Okay, so what about you?
Do YOU have any idea what it means to follow Jesus?
E.G. Jesus says those who love Him obey His commandments.
Can one who does not love Jesus (and obey Him) make it to heaven?
IMO, those who adhere to the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel say "YES".
Am I wrong?
Do YOU have any idea what it means to follow Jesus?
E.G. Jesus says those who love Him obey His commandments.
Can one who does not love Jesus (and obey Him) make it to heaven?
IMO, those who adhere to the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel say "YES".
Am I wrong?
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Those who have been deceived by the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel
have no interest in what all of Scripture says. They only believe what their "new" gospel says!
From someone elsewhere …
“Yes, the church has always held that one can turn back away from God, losing salvation.
Man's will is always involved to one degree or another.”
have no interest in what all of Scripture says. They only believe what their "new" gospel says!
From someone elsewhere …
“Yes, the church has always held that one can turn back away from God, losing salvation.
Man's will is always involved to one degree or another.”
F
"The Resurrection is the central theme in every Christian sermon reports in the Acts. The Resurrection, and its consequences were the "gospel" or good news which the Christian brought: what we call the 'gospels,' the narratives of Our Lord's llife and death, were composed later for the benefit of those who had already accepted the gospel. They were in no sense the basis of Christianity: they were written for those already converted. The miracles of the Resurrection, and the theology of that miracle, comes first: the biography comes later as a comment on it. Nothing could be more unhistorical than to pick out selected sayings of Christ from the gospels and to regard those as the datum and the rest of the New Testament as a construction upon it." (C.S. Lewis, Miracles )
Yes, this is a tactful way of avoiding the wrath of the many deceived believers in ...
the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel.
Congratulations anyway ... for being able to read and for not being deceived.
You are a very rare bird indeed amongst all of the many in the Laodicean churches of today.
the "grace only", "cheap grace", "greasy grace" gospel.
Congratulations anyway ... for being able to read and for not being deceived.
You are a very rare bird indeed amongst all of the many in the Laodicean churches of today.
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indeed
If one does not love Jesus, can he/she go to heaven when
he/she has not taken any part on the teachings and the doctrines of
Our lord Christ Jesus
Hebrews 5:12In fact, though by now you should be teachers, you still need someone to teach you the basic truths of God's word. You have become people who need milk instead of solid food.
Hebrews 5:13
For everyone who lives on milk is still a baby and is inexperienced in the message of righteousness.
Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for mature people, whose minds are trained by practice to distinguish good from evil. ~:»ISV VERSION
*BUT REMEMBER ALWAYS THAT IN OUR TIME
THERE WERE PEOPLE KNOWN AS MENTALY RETARDED AND MONGOLOIDS
SOME WERE AUSTHESTIC AND SOME HAS NO CAPACITY TO THINK AS OTHER
AVERAGE PEOPLE DO SIMPLY BECAUSE
John 9:3Jesus replied, “Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but it happened so that the works of God could be revealed in him.
† AS THEY SAY ALSO
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO NOT BROUGHT
MALICE UNTO THEMSELVES FOR
Isaiah 7:15
He shall eat curds and honey until he knows to reject the evil and to choose the good. ~:» LEB VERSION
:dontknow: time shall stand still
Even as we speak : :
John 21:18
"Omein, omein, I say to you, then when you were young, you were girding yourself and were walking where you wanted, but when you grow old you will extend your hands and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go."
~:»ORTH JBC VERSION
`∞` as we can see and hear
it, our free will is limited for if we reach the right moment that
the next generation will take our hands to help us to stand from what is right
and carry us to continue our work even by just whispering to their ears
but what if those generation were the one who will carry us to a place where we
do not wish to go?
If one does not love Jesus, can he/she go to heaven when
he/she has not taken any part on the teachings and the doctrines of
Our lord Christ Jesus
Hebrews 5:12In fact, though by now you should be teachers, you still need someone to teach you the basic truths of God's word. You have become people who need milk instead of solid food.
Hebrews 5:13
For everyone who lives on milk is still a baby and is inexperienced in the message of righteousness.
Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for mature people, whose minds are trained by practice to distinguish good from evil. ~:»ISV VERSION
*BUT REMEMBER ALWAYS THAT IN OUR TIME
THERE WERE PEOPLE KNOWN AS MENTALY RETARDED AND MONGOLOIDS
SOME WERE AUSTHESTIC AND SOME HAS NO CAPACITY TO THINK AS OTHER
AVERAGE PEOPLE DO SIMPLY BECAUSE
John 9:3Jesus replied, “Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but it happened so that the works of God could be revealed in him.
† AS THEY SAY ALSO
BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO NOT BROUGHT
MALICE UNTO THEMSELVES FOR
Isaiah 7:15
He shall eat curds and honey until he knows to reject the evil and to choose the good. ~:» LEB VERSION
:dontknow: time shall stand still
Even as we speak : :
John 21:18
"Omein, omein, I say to you, then when you were young, you were girding yourself and were walking where you wanted, but when you grow old you will extend your hands and another will gird you and carry you where you do not wish to go."
~:»ORTH JBC VERSION
`∞` as we can see and hear
it, our free will is limited for if we reach the right moment that
the next generation will take our hands to help us to stand from what is right
and carry us to continue our work even by just whispering to their ears
but what if those generation were the one who will carry us to a place where we
do not wish to go?
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