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what is justification? and is it all that is needed for salvation?

Biblical answers please, e.g. actually use your bible to back your answers cheers.
 
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Ephesians 2:8King James Version (KJV)[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 

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Justification - To be accounted as righteous by the Lord, cleared of all charges of sin. Saved from the penalty of sin.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Gen 15:6
6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
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2 Corinthians 5:21King James Version (KJV)[SUP]21
[/SUP]For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 

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Gal 3:3-12
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

How can a person who is thinking clearly trust themselves to accomplish something better than what the Holy Spirit is able to produce? {Return to: Gal 2:1 }

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

If works of the Law miracles or showed evidence of God’s power; miracles would have been much more common and much less remarkable! The Holy spirit resting upon (in OT times) or indwelling (in NT times) a person of faith is the primary way God’s power is made manifest on earth. Occasionally but rarely God has acted directly or through an angel; but NEVER through works of the Law!

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Ties of common faith supercede ties of genealogy in God’s view.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

And the Scripture The word Scripture here refers to the OT

Foreseeing here has the same sense as predicting.

That God would justify (dikaioi=) means cause to be righteous. The sense here is, I believe, identical with God will bring Salvation to. [capitalization because Salvation is Jesus’ (Yeshua’s) name translated, instead of transliterated].

the heathen (ta\ e&qnh ) in Greek is identical with the nations later in the same verse. See: Isa 49:6, 22-23.

[In thee shall all nations be blessed]. All nations would find Salvation in Him, or through Him. The sense is, that the Messiah was to be descended from him

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

As I understand it, this verse informs us the Law has no part in our relationship with God, through faith in Jesus. Continuation under the Law constitutes a lack of reliance on the sufficiency of what Jesus did for us. If we rely on our own obedience, we become responsible for total obedience.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

No obedience can make us right with God! Only faith can do that! However, The indwelling Holy Spirit, whose presence follows faith, can and does make us obedient.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

We must choose between dependence on our own effort (obedience to the Law) or on what Jesus did on our behalf. There is NO MIX AND MATCH!
 

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Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
 
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Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. . . . Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Romans 5:1,9 (ESV)
 
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Justify
G1344 δικαιόω dikaioo (dik-ai-oh'-o) v.
1. to render (i.e. show or regard as) just or innocent
 
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what is justification? and is it all that is needed for salvation?
Jesus Christ is all we need for salvation. He saves us, justifies us, sanctifies us and glorifies us.
 

mailmandan

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Jesus Christ is all we need for salvation. He saves us, justifies us, sanctifies us and glorifies us.
Amen! His finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete. No supplements needed.
 
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what is justification? and is it all that is needed for salvation?

Biblical answers please, e.g. actually use your bible to back your answers cheers.
Saved is saved. Something Jesus did for those his Father chose. Justified isn't saved.

Romans 8

26 And in like manner the Spirit also helpeth our infirmity: for we know not how to pray as we ought; but the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered;
27 and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth;
34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

He calls, he saves, he justifies and he glorifies.
 
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what is justification? and is it all that is needed for salvation?

Biblical answers please, e.g. actually use your bible to back your answers cheers.
I like the way that you asked this question. Answers should always line up with God's word. Here's a whole list of verses about justification, self-justification etc..

I'll start with this verse because when it comes right down to the meat, it's far more important to seek to be pleasing to God more than man.

Acts 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

God Judges us, and either justifies or condemns.

Psalms 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Proverbs 3:33 The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.

Isaiah 26:7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just.

Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Zephaniah 3:5 The just LORD is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.

God does not justify the wicked:

Exodus 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker: and he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
(Thank YOU God for YOUR mercy and truth.)


Neither should we justify wickedness:

Deuteronomy 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Because God is Just: Be ye holy even as HE is holy. (1 Peter 1:15) (Matthew 5:48)

Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Isaiah 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Ezekiel 16:51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.

Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Just balances:

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:35 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.
Leviticus 19:36 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Proverbs 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;
Proverbs 1:3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;
Proverbs 1:4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.

Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Proverbs 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.

Proverbs 17:26 Also to punish the just is not good, nor to strike princes for equity.

Isaiah 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.
Isaiah 59:8 The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Isaiah 59:9 Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
Isaiah 59:10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.
Isaiah 59:11 We roar all like bears, and mourn sore like doves: we look for judgment, but there is none; for salvation, but it is far off from us.
Isaiah 59:12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
Isaiah 59:13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.

Ezekiel 45:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Let it suffice you, O princes of Israel: remove violence and spoil, and execute judgment and justice, take away your exactions from my people, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 45:10 Ye shall have just balances, and a just ephah, and a just bath.


Following after that which is just:

Deuteronomy 16:20 That which is altogether just shalt thou follow, that thou mayest live, and inherit the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Justice and judgement of God

Psalms 89:14 Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face.

No man justified in the sight of God

Psalms 143:2 And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.

The path of the just shines brighter and brighter:

Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

(The light that shines from us is justice.) “the path of the just”

Just and unjust:

Proverbs 29:27 An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.

Who does God say is just:

Hosea 14:9 Who is wise, and he shall understand these things? prudent, and he shall know them? for the ways of the LORD are right, and the just shall walk in them: but the transgressors shall fall therein.

Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Justified of condemned by our words:

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Romans 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Romans 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.



John the baptist was called just
Mark 6:20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

Joseph was called just
Matthew 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Simeon was called just

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Cornelius was called just

Acts 10:22 And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

There are 99 Just people in the parable of the lost sheep

Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The two men who went into the temple to pray, one was justified, the other was not

Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Justifying ourselves before men:

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

When speaking of judgment, Jesus said:

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Everything that we judge as being right or true, should be from a heart that is seeking not our own will but the will of the Father.’


Paul wrote about having a good conscience at the resurrection of the just

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.

The just shall live by faith:

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
 
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When speaking of justification in the salvific sense, it has absolutely nothing to do with our being a just or righteous person but it involves a Righteousness that is derived outside ourselves (extra nos) and is credited to us on account of Christ's righteousness
through faith in Him....look to Him, not within.
 
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I notice whenever people talk about Abraham's faith, they never quote anything about HOW HE HAD TO PROVE TO GOD HE HAD IT.

For example:
Genesis 22:12-18 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [SUP]16 [/SUP]And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: [SUP]17 [/SUP]That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [SUP]18 [/SUP]And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Hebrews 11:8-10 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham's faith wouldn't allow him to sit on his butt in Haran. He had to prove his faith to receive the promises & God's covenant to him. As spiritual heirs of faithful Abraham, so do we. :)

James 2:17 (KJV)
Even so faith, if it hath not works (evidence), is dead, being alone.
[HR][/HR]James 2:20 (KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works(evidence)is dead?
[HR][/HR]James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works(evidence)is dead also. [HR][/HR]Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (read whole chapter)
 
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I notice whenever people talk about Abraham's faith, they never quote anything about HOW HE HAD TO PROVE TO GOD HE HAD IT.

For example:
Genesis 22:12-18 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [SUP]16 [/SUP]And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: [SUP]17 [/SUP]That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [SUP]18 [/SUP]And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Hebrews 11:8-10 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham's faith wouldn't allow him to sit on his butt in Haran. He had to prove his faith to receive the promises & God's covenant to him. As spiritual heirs of faithful Abraham, so do we. :)

James 2:17 (KJV)
Even so faith, if it hath not works (evidence), is dead, being alone.
[HR][/HR]James 2:20 (KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works(evidence)is dead?
[HR][/HR]James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works(evidence)is dead also. [HR][/HR]Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (read whole chapter)
As long as you know salvation is first then sanctification.
 

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Stephen..
There is a justification that carries with it the idea of being vindicated as your verses illustrate.
But in Rom 3 and 4 it is simply God declaring us righteous because of Christ's obedience not ours.
 
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The bible is clear..Romans 3, 5 Galatians 2 etc. All teach we are justified (past tense) I.E. rendered legally innocent by faith...I.E. the faith OF JESUS....it is a once for all act and equals a born again Spirit that is born of God's spirit, is without sin, is eternally saved, sealed, justified and sancrified (positionally) in Christ for ever!
 
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I notice whenever people talk about Abraham's faith, they never quote anything about HOW HE HAD TO PROVE TO GOD HE HAD IT.

For example:
Genesis 22:12-18 (KJV) [SUP]12 [/SUP]And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [SUP]16 [/SUP]And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: [SUP]17 [/SUP]That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; [SUP]18 [/SUP]And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Hebrews 11:8-10 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Abraham's faith wouldn't allow him to sit on his butt in Haran. He had to prove his faith to receive the promises & God's covenant to him. As spiritual heirs of faithful Abraham, so do we. :)

James 2:17 (KJV)
Even so faith, if it hath not works (evidence), is dead, being alone.
[HR][/HR]James 2:20 (KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works(evidence)is dead?
[HR][/HR]James 2:26 (KJV) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works(evidence)is dead also. [HR][/HR]Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (read whole chapter)

Do you really believe God needed proof of Abrahams faith? Or ours?
 
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Stephen..
There is a justification that carries with it the idea of being vindicated as your verses illustrate.
But in Rom 3 and 4 it is simply God declaring us righteous because of Christ's obedience not ours.

Agree with this for sure!