The Apostasy

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The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." And furthermore, the apostle warns his brethern tht "the mystery of iniquity doth already work." 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4-7. Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church, errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy.

Little by little, at first stealth and silence, and them more openly as it increased in strength and gained control of the minds of men, "the mystery of iniquity" carried forward its deceptive and blasphemous work. Almost imperceptibly the customs of heathenism found their way into the Christian church. The spirit of compromise and conformity was restrained for a time by the fierce persecutions which the church endured under paganism. But as persecution ceased, and Christianity entered the courts and palaces of kings, she laid aside the humble simplicity of Christ and His apostles for the pomp and pride of pagan priests and rulers; and in place of the requirements of God, she substituted human theories and traditions. The nominal conversion of Constantine, in the early part of the forth century, caused great rejoicing; and the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked in the church. Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ.

This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan's power--a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will.

Satan once endeavored to form a compromise with Christ. He came to the Son of God in the wilderness of temptation, and showing Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, offered to give all into His hands if He would but acknowledge the supremacy of the prince of darkness. Christ rebuked the presumptuous tempter and forced him to depart. But Satan meets with greater success in presenting the same temptations to man. To secure worldly gains and honors, the church was led to seek the favor and support of the great men of earth; and having thus rejected Christ, she was induced to yield allegiance to the representative of Satan--the bishop of Rome.

It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal church of Christ, invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, the pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled "Lord God the Pope" (see Appendix), and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage.

But those who fear and reverence God meet this heaven-daring assumption as Christ met the solicitations of the wily for: Thu shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."
Luke 4:8. God has never given a hit in His word that He has appointed any man to be the head of the church. The doctrine of papal supremacy is directly opposed to the teaching of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power over Christ's church except by usurpation.

Romanist have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ and departed from "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3.

Satan will knew that the Holy Scriptures would enable men to discern his deceptions and withstand his power. It was by the word that even the Saviour of the world had resisted his attacks.
At every assault, Christ presented the of eternal truth, saying, "It is written." To every suggestion of the adversary. He opposed the wisdom and power of the word. In order for Satan to maintain his sway over men, and establish the authority of the papal usurper, he must keep them in ignorance of the Scriptures. The Bible would exalt God and place finite men in their true position; therefore its sacred truths must be concealed and suppressed. This logic was adopted by the Roman Church. For hundreds of years the circulation of the Bible was prohibited. The people were forbidden to read it or to have it in their houses, and unprincipled priest and prelates interpreted its teaching to sustain their pretensions. Thus the pope came to be almost universally acknowledged as the vicegerent of God on earth, endowed with authority over church and state.

The detector of error having been removed, Satan worked according to his will. Prophecy had declared that the papacy was "to think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25. This work it was not slow to attempt. To afford converts from heathenism a substitute for the worship of idols, and thus to promote their nominal acceptance of Christianity, the adoration of images and relics was gradually introduced into the Christian worship. The decree of a general council (see Appendix) finally established this system of idolatry. To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law of God the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth commandment, in order to preserve the number.

The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of Heaven's authority. Satan, working through unconsecrated leaders of the church, tempered with the forth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2, 3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as "the venerable day of the sun." This change was not at first attempted openly. In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians. They were jealous for the honor of God, and believing that His law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts. But with great subtlety Satan worked through this agents to bring about his object. That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it; yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath was still sacredly observed.
 
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Ever notice how sabbath keepers talk so much about the sabbath, and so little about Christ? I guess that's what happens when you're married to the law.
 

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Ever notice how sabbath keepers talk so much about the sabbath, and so little about Christ? I guess that's what happens when you're married to the law.
Well, if you believed your salvation depended on it I guess you would too. :p
 
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The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." And furthermore, the apostle warns his brethern tht "the mystery of iniquity doth already work." 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4-7. Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church, errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy.

Little by little, at first stealth and silence, and them more openly as it increased in strength and gained control of the minds of men, "the mystery of iniquity" carried forward its deceptive and blasphemous work. Almost imperceptibly the customs of heathenism found their way into the Christian church. The spirit of compromise and conformity was restrained for a time by the fierce persecutions which the church endured under paganism. But as persecution ceased, and Christianity entered the courts and palaces of kings, she laid aside the humble simplicity of Christ and His apostles for the pomp and pride of pagan priests and rulers; and in place of the requirements of God, she substituted human theories and traditions. The nominal conversion of Constantine, in the early part of the forth century, caused great rejoicing; and the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked in the church. Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ.

This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan's power--a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will.

Satan once endeavored to form a compromise with Christ. He came to the Son of God in the wilderness of temptation, and showing Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, offered to give all into His hands if He would but acknowledge the supremacy of the prince of darkness. Christ rebuked the presumptuous tempter and forced him to depart. But Satan meets with greater success in presenting the same temptations to man. To secure worldly gains and honors, the church was led to seek the favor and support of the great men of earth; and having thus rejected Christ, she was induced to yield allegiance to the representative of Satan--the bishop of Rome.

It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal church of Christ, invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, the pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled "Lord God the Pope" (see Appendix), and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage.

But those who fear and reverence God meet this heaven-daring assumption as Christ met the solicitations of the wily for: Thu shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."
Luke 4:8. God has never given a hit in His word that He has appointed any man to be the head of the church. The doctrine of papal supremacy is directly opposed to the teaching of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power over Christ's church except by usurpation.

Romanist have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ and departed from "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3.

Satan will knew that the Holy Scriptures would enable men to discern his deceptions and withstand his power. It was by the word that even the Saviour of the world had resisted his attacks.
At every assault, Christ presented the of eternal truth, saying, "It is written." To every suggestion of the adversary. He opposed the wisdom and power of the word. In order for Satan to maintain his sway over men, and establish the authority of the papal usurper, he must keep them in ignorance of the Scriptures. The Bible would exalt God and place finite men in their true position; therefore its sacred truths must be concealed and suppressed. This logic was adopted by the Roman Church. For hundreds of years the circulation of the Bible was prohibited. The people were forbidden to read it or to have it in their houses, and unprincipled priest and prelates interpreted its teaching to sustain their pretensions. Thus the pope came to be almost universally acknowledged as the vicegerent of God on earth, endowed with authority over church and state.

The detector of error having been removed, Satan worked according to his will. Prophecy had declared that the papacy was "to think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25. This work it was not slow to attempt. To afford converts from heathenism a substitute for the worship of idols, and thus to promote their nominal acceptance of Christianity, the adoration of images and relics was gradually introduced into the Christian worship. The decree of a general council (see Appendix) finally established this system of idolatry. To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law of God the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth commandment, in order to preserve the number.

The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of Heaven's authority. Satan, working through unconsecrated leaders of the church, tempered with the forth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2, 3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as "the venerable day of the sun." This change was not at first attempted openly. In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians. They were jealous for the honor of God, and believing that His law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts. But with great subtlety Satan worked through this agents to bring about his object. That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it; yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath was still sacredly observed.
I have seen more flagrant sin from people who worship in churches that observe a Saturday Sabbath than I have in any other church I have worshipped at. I can assure you I speak honestly
 
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To prepare the way for the work which he designed to accomplish, Satan had led the Jews, before the advent of Christ, to load down the Sabbath with the most rigorous exactions, making its observance a burden. Now, taking advantage of the false light in which he had thus caused it to be regarded, he cast contempt upon it as a Jewish institution. While Christians generally continued to observe the Sunday as a joyous festival, he led them, in order to show their hatred of Judaism, to make the Sabbath a fast, a day of sadness and gloom.

In the early part of the forth century the emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a public festival throughout the Roman Empire. (See Appendix.) The day of the sun was reverenced by his pagan subjects and was honored by Christians; it was the emperor's policy to unite the conflicting interest of heathenism and Christianity. He was urged to do this by the bishops of the church, who, inspired by ambition and thirst for power, perceived that if the same day was observed by both Christians and heathen, it would promote the nominal acceptance of Christianity by pagans and thus advance the power and glory of the church. But while many God-fearing Christians were gradually led to regard Sunday as possessing a degree of sacredness, they still held the true Sabbath as the holy of the Lord and observed it in obedience to the forth commandment.

The archdeceiver had not completed his work. He was resolved to gather the Christian world under his banner and to exercise his power through his vicegerent, the proud pontiff who claimed to be the representative of Christ. Through half-converted pagans, ambitious prelates, and world-loving churchmen he accomplished his purpose. Vast councils were held from time to time, in which the dignitaries of the church were convened from all the world. In nearly every council the Sabbath which God had instituted was pressed down a little lower, while the Sunday was correspondingly exalted. Thus the pagan festival came finally to be honored as a divine institution, while the Bible Sabbath was pronounced a relic of Judaism, and its observers were declared to be accursed.

The Great Controversy pages 49-53
 

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At every assault, Christ presented the of eternal truth, saying, "It is written."
Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,
and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."
(Mark 2:27 NLT)

Col 2
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
 
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And many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say. ''The old is better Luke 5:39
 
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I have seen more flagrant sin from people who worship in churches that observe a Saturday Sabbath than I have in any other church I have worshipped at. I can assure you I speak honestly


And so. Still God's Word should stand no matter what you see humanity doing in any church. God calls you to live according to his word (man did not call you and your salvation does not hinge on what man does). I too have seen disobedience in the Seventh Day Adventist Church too..but does that mean that God's Word is not true? Is it better to obey God rather than man. Here you see outright the lawlessness of the Catholic System. This is not Catholic bashing by any means. Its the SYSTEM.


Look at the example of the Flood.
Read, read and read. Pray, pray and pray some more as you do a study of God's Word.
 
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And many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say. ''The old is better Luke 5:39


Where is your proof of what is written here is incorrect? Have you actually did your own research or are you just angry because you hate that the Bible is correct?
 
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Well, if you believed your salvation depended on it I guess you would too. :p

First, this is a ridiculous thing to say, and second, you have just revealed a complete and utter ignorance of the law of God. One day you will have to stand before him and explain to him why you ridiculed those that obeyed him and mocked those who lived in his word and not the traditions of men.

Not one person I know who keeps the Sabbath who thinks by keeping the Sabbath they will find salvation. Perhaps you should educate yourself before passing judgement on others, or perhaps you should let the Messiah do the judging, since you're not fit to tie his shoes.

Psalm 1:1-16

Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers. The wicked are not so, but are like chaff that the wind drives away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous; ...

You are the scoffer. Congratulations on finding your role in scripture.
 
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To the OP: Thanks for the great post. I am glad your are not becoming discouraged.

The scoffers and the lawless will always cling to their Pagan days, and judge others who keep the correct calendar. Do not become discouraged. By keeping the Sabbath, you bear the Lord's mark:

Exodus 15:
12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Revelation 9:4
[SUP]4[/SUP] They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

In fairness, it very hard for people to humble their hearts and admit they may have been deceived. It means admitting that your lifestyle needs changing, and that the people who have educated you don't know everything. It's hard for an individual to admit that they have been decieved, but Yah is clear. If his people will humble themselves and seek repentance he will forgive them. :)

Shalom and blessings. Please keep sharing the truth, even if it means that haters are gonna hate. Shalom.
 
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The apostle Paul, in his second letter to the Thessalonians, foretold the great apostasy which would result in the establishment of the papal power. He declared that the day of Christ should not come, "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." And furthermore, the apostle warns his brethern tht "the mystery of iniquity doth already work." 2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4-7. Even at that early date he saw, creeping into the church, errors that would prepare the way for the development of the papacy.

Little by little, at first stealth and silence, and them more openly as it increased in strength and gained control of the minds of men, "the mystery of iniquity" carried forward its deceptive and blasphemous work. Almost imperceptibly the customs of heathenism found their way into the Christian church. The spirit of compromise and conformity was restrained for a time by the fierce persecutions which the church endured under paganism. But as persecution ceased, and Christianity entered the courts and palaces of kings, she laid aside the humble simplicity of Christ and His apostles for the pomp and pride of pagan priests and rulers; and in place of the requirements of God, she substituted human theories and traditions. The nominal conversion of Constantine, in the early part of the forth century, caused great rejoicing; and the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked in the church. Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ.

This compromise between paganism and Christianity resulted in the development of "the man of sin" foretold in prophecy as opposing and exalting himself above God. That gigantic system of false religion is a masterpiece of Satan's power--a monument of his efforts to seat himself upon the throne to rule the earth according to his will.

Satan once endeavored to form a compromise with Christ. He came to the Son of God in the wilderness of temptation, and showing Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them, offered to give all into His hands if He would but acknowledge the supremacy of the prince of darkness. Christ rebuked the presumptuous tempter and forced him to depart. But Satan meets with greater success in presenting the same temptations to man. To secure worldly gains and honors, the church was led to seek the favor and support of the great men of earth; and having thus rejected Christ, she was induced to yield allegiance to the representative of Satan--the bishop of Rome.

It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal church of Christ, invested with supreme authority over bishops and pastors in all parts of the world. More than this, the pope has been given the very titles of Deity. He has been styled "Lord God the Pope" (see Appendix), and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage.

But those who fear and reverence God meet this heaven-daring assumption as Christ met the solicitations of the wily for: Thu shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve."
Luke 4:8. God has never given a hit in His word that He has appointed any man to be the head of the church. The doctrine of papal supremacy is directly opposed to the teaching of the Scriptures. The pope can have no power over Christ's church except by usurpation.

Romanist have persisted in bringing against Protestants the charge of heresy and willful separation from the true church. But these accusations apply rather to themselves. They are the ones who laid down the banner of Christ and departed from "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3.

Satan will knew that the Holy Scriptures would enable men to discern his deceptions and withstand his power. It was by the word that even the Saviour of the world had resisted his attacks.
At every assault, Christ presented the of eternal truth, saying, "It is written." To every suggestion of the adversary. He opposed the wisdom and power of the word. In order for Satan to maintain his sway over men, and establish the authority of the papal usurper, he must keep them in ignorance of the Scriptures. The Bible would exalt God and place finite men in their true position; therefore its sacred truths must be concealed and suppressed. This logic was adopted by the Roman Church. For hundreds of years the circulation of the Bible was prohibited. The people were forbidden to read it or to have it in their houses, and unprincipled priest and prelates interpreted its teaching to sustain their pretensions. Thus the pope came to be almost universally acknowledged as the vicegerent of God on earth, endowed with authority over church and state.

The detector of error having been removed, Satan worked according to his will. Prophecy had declared that the papacy was "to think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25. This work it was not slow to attempt. To afford converts from heathenism a substitute for the worship of idols, and thus to promote their nominal acceptance of Christianity, the adoration of images and relics was gradually introduced into the Christian worship. The decree of a general council (see Appendix) finally established this system of idolatry. To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law of God the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth commandment, in order to preserve the number.

The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of Heaven's authority. Satan, working through unconsecrated leaders of the church, tempered with the forth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2, 3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as "the venerable day of the sun." This change was not at first attempted openly. In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians. They were jealous for the honor of God, and believing that His law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts. But with great subtlety Satan worked through this agents to bring about his object. That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it; yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath was still sacredly observed.
It is not "a" falling away. It is 'THE' falling away.

In Noahs day, it was "a" falling away, because there were still believers on this earth.

The falling away, is total departure of believers. At that moment in time, it is THE falling away. Not one believer is left on this earth...............the rapture of the Church.

Total departure of the faith,total departure of believers............THE falling away.
 
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And so. Still God's Word should stand no matter what you see humanity doing in any church. God calls you to live according to his word (man did not call you and your salvation does not hinge on what man does). I too have seen disobedience in the Seventh Day Adventist Church too..but does that mean that God's Word is not true? Is it better to obey God rather than man. Here you see outright the lawlessness of the Catholic System. This is not Catholic bashing by any means. Its the SYSTEM.


Look at the example of the Flood.
Read, read and read. Pray, pray and pray some more as you do a study of God's Word.
You don't appear to understand, either the core Gospel message of Paul, or the events of the Gospels.

Who most earnestly when Christ walked this earth strove to attain Heaven by observing the literal law? The people w2hjo could clean the outside of the cup but on the inside were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean on the inside according to Christ. It is the same today for spiritual principals cannot change. I met one particular person in your church who was more adamant than anyone else I have ever met the ten commandments must be obeyed to attain Heaven. That person had multiple affairs outside of marriage and excused her actions as .''All sin is equal and no one can perfectly obey the law. What hypocrisy!

At least three people in an sda church I went to laughed and joked as they took the Lords name in vain, while stressing God's laws must be obeyed. In another church a woman in the choir had multiple affairs. I could go on and on. All this did was reinforce my own beliefs.
I am not naïve enough to believe no one in any mainstream church I have been to has had an affair. But the Biblical principal is shown to be true in your church. Those who most stress the literal letter must be obeyed clean the outside of the cup, but cannot clean the inside. The victory over sin is when you live under grace, not law. And seventh day Adventists, despite skilful wording they often use do live under the law. I have now seen this from personal experience

For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace. Rom 6:14

I repeat, I was shocked at the degree of flagrant sin I saw committed by people who worshipped on a Saturday and earnestly stressed the ten commandments must be obeyed. I have never seen such a lack of true holiness or such flagrant sin in any mainstream church I have ever worshipped at. And I have worshipped at many!
 
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Where is your proof of what is written here is incorrect? Have you actually did your own research or are you just angry because you hate that the Bible is correct?
No one here hates that the Bible is correct. What we hate is the incorrectness of your false prophetess.
 
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Where is your proof of what is written here is incorrect? Have you actually did your own research or are you just angry because you hate that the Bible is correct?
I am afraid your reply shows your problem. I do not need to do research to know if I commit sin or not, neither does any other born again christian, for the law God requires them to obey is written on their mind and placed on their heart at the point of conversion. Only people who are not born again of the spirit need to do research to see if they are breaking Gods commands. For the christian instinctively knows in their mind the law God wants them to keep and in their heart they want to obey it.
Which brings me to show you where your beliefs fall apart. Doug Bachelor states a major difference e between the old and new covenants is under the new covenant the law is placed on your heart and mind, whereas it was not before. Sin is transgression of the law, therefore a christian must know they sin and be convicted of sin when they break the law placed within them. So in reference to your post. There can only be two possibilities as to why people who go to church on a sunday do not have heartfelt conviction they are sinning by not ovserving a saturday sabbath. Either they cannot have been born again of the spirit and are therefore not saved/a christian. Or the holy spirit did not place the law within them to require them to observe a saturday sabbath. There is no way round that I am afraid. Yet seventh day Adventists, including their leaders accept people as christians who do not observe a saturday sabbath
I do not wish to be blunt or offensive, but when put under the microscope your errant demands of others are proved to be false.)
My impression of sda people was they followed the literal letter without understanding the heart of the message that letter contained. People in the sda church I went to were sinning without conscience. I can assure you that is not possible for a born again christian to do
 
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To the OP: Thanks for the great post. I am glad your are not becoming discouraged.

The scoffers and the lawless will always cling to their Pagan days, and judge others who keep the correct calendar. Do not become discouraged. By keeping the Sabbath, you bear the Lord's mark:

Exodus 15:
12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Revelation 9:4
[SUP]4[/SUP] They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

In fairness, it very hard for people to humble their hearts and admit they may have been deceived. It means admitting that your lifestyle needs changing, and that the people who have educated you don't know everything. It's hard for an individual to admit that they have been decieved, but Yah is clear. If his people will humble themselves and seek repentance he will forgive them. :)

Shalom and blessings. Please keep sharing the truth, even if it means that haters are gonna hate. Shalom.


Thank your sister for your encouragement.
 

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#18
Remember the sabbath but forget the other 612 laws. Do you start your oven on Saturday? I'm not real sure if Saturday is the sabbath since the calendar was changed. Any of you scholars can weigh in.

The gentile believers were given only four commands. And one of them was not 'keep the Jewish sabbath'. Nor, to the dismay of some on this site, was it to pay tithes.

Now why we're only four commands given? They had some pagan residue still gumming up the works. Paul knew that eventually Christ's moral commands would soon be identified in the tablets of their hearts.
 
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It does not matter what day is the Sabbath day, for all days are alike because we are not under the Law.