Mercy, Justice, Faith, and the Law, How They Work in Tandem

[JaumeJ]

All men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

With this in mind, please consider, any who have broken any part of the law is guilty of breadking all of the law. Please consider this also when understanding how the law works when we are living in grace.

Faith, justice and mercy are left out by all who are blinded by the veil of Moses, it also blinds many to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ teaches that anyone who teaches against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

Keep what I ask yo to consider in mind now. The law requires a person to be stoned to deth for many transgressings, certain blasphemy, adultery, working on the Sabbath and more. Do you see justice or mercy or faith here? I do not, not could I because all men have sinned and have broken all of the law, so why should any man be pardoned from execution? Oh! Right, we must include justice..for everyone. We must include mercy, for everyone. Finally we must have faith that God forgives the rementant siner, and He has already demonstrated He does in His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Chhrist.

Anyone who believes I am under the law, and has read my posts, knows better. If anyone believes it still he is either not understanding what i post or not reading it, or simply lying.

Ankyione wh reads all of the Bible knows God tells us that He gave us statures and ordinances that are band and not to be followed, but too many hve not read this, and if they have they ignore it.

Everyone knows we are lively stones of the Temple of God with Jesus as the Head and the Corner Stone, yet when they hear the word, law, they jump into a frenzied witch hunt for someone being "under the law." The laws of the Temple, diet nad so many more are no longer possible to obey, there is no Thocracy ofIsrael, that is not country with God as King, but it is coming.

No Lvitical laws, for we are now the priests to god with Jesus the High Priest always Mediating for our tansgressions, as is writtne.

Need anything more be said about how Jesus christ has taught us not to fear the law in abolishing th ecurse, death., on the cross? If we believe Him we obey Him, and we live in grace. There is no fear of braking a lw (sin), for He is our Mediator, and we do our best to obey perfectly, though we will not be perfected until His time, and by Him. You know this is true by the writings. If you need proof, read teh Book

 

[Brother_Don]

Mathew 28, starts off with, in the end of the Sabbath, and ends with go and teach the people to observe all that He commanded.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Mathew 28, starts off with, in the end of the Sabbath, and ends with go and teach the people to observe all that He commanded.

That's pretty appropriate. Another way of saying, "At the end of the law, Jesus said, 'Go and teach all that I have commanded'".

 

[Blain]

The law, it was originally given to first show God's people how they ought to live while at the same time showing them how much they need God's grace. It was a burden to most because we could not keep ten simple commands fully but there were those who were wise who took the law and put it into practice in their hearts As David says here in Psalms 119:97 Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long.

I have to agree with David here, I also love his law because it teaches me the right way to go what to do and not to do and I have seen how my life benefits from following it. Notice how David praises God for his law even though Jesus had not died on the cross yet, David knew of God's grace and so even though he fell short of the Law he found delight in it and wrote it on his heart. He wasn't put in chains from the Law he instead found freedom in it because he had the right heart towards it and I feel the same way

 

[JaumeJ]

King David is an incredible example of living in grace in the Old Testament. The Psalm, 32, attributed to him certainly shines bright light on this truth. Yet, he was not allowed to build the first Temple because he was guilty of killing, among other sins such as adultery, and he broke many of the laws on being king, yet God loved him very much. If one understands this relationship David had wit our Father, we can easily understand how the law is good, and we yet live in grace for no man can live by the law, only Jesus Christ for us. This is no self contradiction if understood in the Spirit. This understanding cannot be forced on anyone, as David knew well, but if accepted it flows like a river.

The law, it was originally given to first show God's people how they ought to live while at the same time showing them how much they need God's grace. It was a burden to most because we could not keep ten simple commands fully but there were those who were wise who took the law and put it into practice in their hearts As David says here in Psalms 119:97 Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long.

I have to agree with David here, I also love his law because it teaches me the right way to go what to do and not to do and I have seen how my life benefits from following it. Notice how David praises God for his law even though Jesus had not died on the cross yet, David knew of God's grace and so even though he fell short of the Law he found delight in it and wrote it on his heart. He wasn't put in chains from the Law he instead found freedom in it because he had the right heart towards it and I feel the same way

 

[seed_time_harvest]

JESUS was born under the law and he was telling them that every jot and tittle of the law would be fulfilled before the law passed away, but he knew no man would be able to fulfill the law, but until he fulfilled the law everyone was to operate under the law but he was showing the people mercy.


Only GOD in CHRIST could keep the law perfectly and JESUS told the rich young ruler"why do you call me good there is only one that is good and that is GOD"


JESUS was telling them it's either all you or call out for God's help.

 

[Blain]

King David is an incredible example of living in grace in the Old Testament. The Psalm, 32, attributed to him certainly shines bright light on this truth. Yet, he was not allowed to build the first Temple because he was guilty of killing, among other sins such as adultery, and he broke many of the laws on being king, yet God loved him very much. If one understands this relationship David had wit our Father, we can easily understand how the law is good, and we yet live in grace for no man can live by the law, only Jesus Christ for us. This is no self contradiction if understood in the Spirit. This understanding cannot be forced on anyone, as David knew well, but if accepted it flows like a river.

David and I appear to be very similar, his relationship with God is very much like mine. I have yet to read a Palms that I didn't
agree with and that didn't resonate with me. What I love most is how he would praise God so often in both good and bad times how honest he was with God because he knew he could go before him with anything

 

[Kefa54]

This statement is self fulfilling and self law or works. ( If we believe Him we obey Him, and we live in grace.) that statement is works.
( We get grace if we obey?) We keep wanting to think that "WE" have something to do with salvation or fellowship.


Rest in Christ, and the Holly Spirit.

Does this mean we are passive about activity? NO, what it does mean is that we are to focus on Him with the confidence that our actions will be the natural overflow of the love relationship we have with Him.

When we focus on trying to improve our performance, our whole “Christian lifestyle” becomes perfunctory and lifeless.

When we are obsessed with Him, we don’t have to try harder to do the right things. Our lifestyles literally become energized with divine life.

We choose to let Jesus live through us, empowered by the Holly Spirit.

Kefa

All men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

With this in mind, please consider, any who have broken any part of the law is guilty of breadking all of the law. Please consider this also when understanding how the law works when we are living in grace.

Faith, justice and mercy are left out by all who are blinded by the veil of Moses, it also blinds many to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ teaches that anyone who teaches against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

Keep what I ask yo to consider in mind now. The law requires a person to be stoned to deth for many transgressings, certain blasphemy, adultery, working on the Sabbath and more. Do you see justice or mercy or faith here? I do not, not could I because all men have sinned and have broken all of the law, so why should any man be pardoned from execution? Oh! Right, we must include justice..for everyone. We must include mercy, for everyone. Finally we must have faith that God forgives the rementant siner, and He has already demonstrated He does in His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Chhrist.

Anyone who believes I am under the law, and has read my posts, knows better. If anyone believes it still he is either not understanding what i post or not reading it, or simply lying.

Ankyione wh reads all of the Bible knows God tells us that He gave us statures and ordinances that are band and not to be followed, but too many hve not read this, and if they have they ignore it.

Everyone knows we are lively stones of the Temple of God with Jesus as the Head and the Corner Stone, yet when they hear the word, law, they jump into a frenzied witch hunt for someone being "under the law." The laws of the Temple, diet nad so many more are no longer possible to obey, there is no Thocracy ofIsrael, that is not country with God as King, but it is coming.

No Lvitical laws, for we are now the priests to god with Jesus the High Priest always Mediating for our tansgressions, as is writtne.

Need anything more be said about how Jesus christ has taught us not to fear the law in abolishing th ecurse, death., on the cross? If we believe Him we obey Him, and we live in grace. There is no fear of braking a lw (sin), for He is our Mediator, and we do our best to obey perfectly, though we will not be perfected until His time, and by Him. You know this is true by the writings. If you need proof, read teh Book

 

[JaumeJ]

Please do not convert the idea of this thread into a works/grace quagmire.

I live in grace, and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, as I posted here and many times before.

There is no salvation by works, but you cannot show me your faith without works, this is just true. If this is not understood, study the Word more, for it teaches the same

Also when this is perverted into doing works fo salvation, which it is not, the accusations have followed tha tI reject Christ and I am under th e law, which I have explained quite well I am not under the law, an dsalvation isin Christ.

If you believe you have faith, and you have no works, that is good works, you cannot show your faith, and this is the bottom line of Paul's teachings. Faith without works is dead. Godo works are not earning salvation for tood works follow salvation, we have not before, for our deeds wre as filthy rags...........all is in the Word and waiting to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Kefa54]

I wonder if we tend to get Command and Law confused.

Braking law = death

Not following a command = dis-fellowship but we are still loved.

That's pretty appropriate. Another way of saying, "At the end of the law, Jesus said, 'Go and teach all that I have commanded'".

 

[Blain]

Please do not convert the idea of this thread into a works/grace quagmire.

I live in grace, and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, as I posted here and many times before.

There is no salvation by works, but you cannot show me your faith without works, this is just true. If this is not understood, study the Word more, for it teaches the same

Also when this is perverted into doing works fo salvation, which it is not, the accusations have followed tha tI reject Christ and I am under th e law, which I have explained quite well I am not under the law, an dsalvation isin Christ.

If you believe you have faith, and you have no works, that is good works, you cannot show your faith, and this is the bottom line of Paul's teachings. Faith without works is dead. Godo works are not earning salvation for tood works follow salvation, we have not before, for our deeds wre as filthy rags...........all is in the Word and waiting to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

A Godly heart produces works. Works have nothing to do with salvation they are the product of salvation, for instance working at a desk in an office is my worst nightmare for a job but if I did my best in everything I did because I was doing it for God my nightmare would turn into joy for there is joy in serving the Lord and people might notice a kind of glow about me and become curious. I used to hate cleaning I mean absolutely despised it but I bean to clean and do my best because in my mind I was doing it for God so I gave it my all I scrubbed ever square inch I dusted everything I went all out and I was happy while I was doing it because I was doing it for God.

 

[Kefa54]

I will leave this thread alone. This thread is works in disguise. It is so sorry that you still choose to live under self condemnation, and self works.


Kefa

Please do not convert the idea of this thread into a works/grace quagmire.

I live in grace, and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, as I posted here and many times before.

There is no salvation by works, but you cannot show me your faith without works, this is just true. If this is not understood, study the Word more, for it teaches the same

Also when this is perverted into doing works fo salvation, which it is not, the accusations have followed tha tI reject Christ and I am under th e law, which I have explained quite well I am not under the law, an dsalvation isin Christ.

If you believe you have faith, and you have no works, that is good works, you cannot show your faith, and this is the bottom line of Paul's teachings. Faith without works is dead. Godo works are not earning salvation for tood works follow salvation, we have not before, for our deeds wre as filthy rags...........all is in the Word and waiting to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one who believes as I would ever say anyone who believes he lives in grace is condemned in any manner, yet those who claim they live in grace are the first to impose a law, though not written, that those who choose to obey as Christ teaches are denying the very Teacher of their conduct. I do not condemn you or anyone who believes he is in grace because of the Blood of the Lamb, but because I believe Jesus before I believe anyone else, I do my best to be obedient, and not lawless.

Hear the Word of the Lord, then tell me He is wrong.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[JaumeJ]

I know what you mean. Giving God the glory for everything is a good way to live life. No matter what I do I know it is not I but God doing it, or allowing me to do it. There have been so many jobs like plumbing, wiring, whatever, I have embarked upon with prayer as the beginning of the job for His touch, and it has come out nice, all to His glory, from changing the toilet to wiring a ceiling fan with three speeds and getting it right; that had to be the Lord.....Praise God in all we do and give thanks for His mercy endures forever.......words from the Old testament, but applied throughout the Word, amen.

A Godly heart produces works. Works have nothing to do with salvation they are the product of salvation, for instance working at a desk in an office is my worst nightmare for a job but if I did my best in everything I did because I was doing it for God my nightmare would turn into joy for there is joy in serving the Lord and people might notice a kind of glow about me and become curious. I used to hate cleaning I mean absolutely despised it but I bean to clean and do my best because in my mind I was doing it for God so I gave it my all I scrubbed ever square inch I dusted everything I went all out and I was happy while I was doing it because I was doing it for God.

 

[JaumeJ]

And my words are fulfilled, though I had no idea they would be so quickly.

Please do not convert the idea of this thread into a works/grace quagmire.

I live in grace, and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ, as I posted here and many times before.

There is no salvation by works, but you cannot show me your faith without works, this is just true. If this is not understood, study the Word more, for it teaches the same

Also when this is perverted into doing works fo salvation, which it is not, the accusations have followed tha tI reject Christ and I am under th e law, which I have explained quite well I am not under the law, an dsalvation isin Christ.

If you believe you have faith, and you have no works, that is good works, you cannot show your faith, and this is the bottom line of Paul's teachings. Faith without works is dead. Godo works are not earning salvation for tood works follow salvation, we have not before, for our deeds wre as filthy rags...........all is in the Word and waiting to be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

I will leave this thread alone. This thread is works in disguise. It is so sorry that you still choose to live under self condemnation, and self works.


Kefa

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I will leave this thread alone. This thread is works in disguise. It is so sorry that you still choose to live under self condemnation, and self works.
Kefa

Essentially, There is no salvation by works [of law], but you cannot show me your faith without works [of law].

 

[eternally-gratefull]

why do people make it so hard.

1. The LAW. proves we are sinners (no one can keep the law as required)
2. The law shows JUSTICE, as anyone who does not keep the law is judged
3. The law proves Gods MERCY, because although no one can keep Gods demand, God is merciful and does not just wipe us off the face of the earth
4. The law shows LOVE, as God because the fulfillment of the law in that he did what we failed to do (kept th elaw perfectly as required by God) and suffered the curse of those who are judged by the law as sinners (hang on a tree, spilt blood as the lamb of God who takes away the judgment of sin of those who broke the law)
5. All of this (hopefully) leds to FAITH, in God (not just merre beliefe or agreement), which leads to salvation.

 

[Kefa54]

No law for me thank You. Commands yes, law NO.

Essentially, There is no salvation by works [of law], but you cannot show me your faith without works [of law].

 

[JaumeJ]

How are you able to declare this? This is tantamount to declaring yourself as a lawless creature.

Just how far will "grace only" folks go in order to soothe their own consciences in their stance on not obeying Jesus Christ as He teaches?


Mat 5:19

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

No law for me thank You. Commands yes, law NO.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How are you able to declare this? This is tantamount to declaring yourself as a lawless creature.

Just how far will "grace only" folks go in order to soothe their own consciences in their stance on not obeying Jesus Christ as He teaches?

How far will you workaholics go to decare your innocence, when the law clearly states your guilt. and your unworthiness?

And how long will you declare us as sinners, who reject Gods word. When it is in fact you who are rejecting Gods word by saying it does not apply to you (you water it down)

I find it amazing that we take the law literally as spoken, and understand full well how condemned and unworthy we are based on that law. Yet you water it down so you can feel good about yourself and not declare yourself a sinner. and want to continue to judge us..