Holy Spirit and Human Spirit

[slave]

The Constitution of human beings is dualistic--soul and Body. Soul is the invisible inner Spiritual part, while body is the visible outer Caporal Part. But this by way of Scripture is not the complete picture. The bible never confuses Spirit and Soul as though they were the same. Not only are they different in terms but also in nature.

1 Thess. 5:23 reads: "May the God of peace Himself Sanctify you wholly; and may your Spirit and Soul and Body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ."

So, God separates us into three parts, and also makes a distinction between Spirit and Soul, otherwise Paul would have said, "your soul." So Spirit, Soul, and Body make up man. Many account soulical as spiritual, and thus they remain in a soulish state and seek not what is really spiritual. The Body is where man comes into contact with the material world, which gives us world-consciousness, The soul belongs to a man's own self and reveals his personality, or self-consciousness, the spirit is man's God-consciousness.

God dwells in the spirit; self dwells in the soul. While senses dwell in the Body.

Of these three Elements, the spirit is the noblest for it joins with God. The body is the lowest because it contacts with matter. The soul lying between them joins the two together, and also takes their Character to be it's own. The soul makes it possible for the spirit and the body to communicate and cooperate. The work of the soul is to keep these two in their proper order so that they may not lose their right relationship--namely, that the lowest, the body, may be subjected to the spirit. And the highest, the spirit, may Govern the body thru the soul.

 

[passing_through]

Ezekiel 36

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

 

[valiant]

The Constitution of human beings is dualistic--soul and Body. Soul is the invisible inner Spiritual part, while body is the visible outer Caporal Part. But this by way of Scripture is not the complete picture. The bible never confuses Spirit and Soul as though they were the same. Not only are they different in terms but also in nature.

1 Thess. 5:23 reads: "May the God of peace Himself Sanctify you wholly; and may your Spirit and Soul and Body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ."

So, God separates us into three parts, and also makes a distinction between Spirit and Soul, otherwise Paul would have said, "your soul." So Spirit, Soul, and Body make up man.

Your first problem is that Jesus divides man up into four parts, heart, soul, mind and strength (Mark 12.30). So Who is right? We must be very careful. We can be very glib when talking about things we do not really understand (even if we think we do).

Many account soulical as spiritual, and thus they remain in a soulish state and seek not what is really spiritual. The Body is where man comes into contact with the material world, which gives us world-consciousness, The soul belongs to a man's own self and reveals his personality, or self-consciousness, the spirit is man's God-consciousness.

So where do the heart and mind come in? According to Jesus they are not of the soul. The truth is that we do not divide up into three separate parts so easily. We are interwoven.

God dwells in the spirit; self dwells in the soul. While senses dwell in the Body.

Scripture proof? Seems lacking. God contacts us through our spirit, but that does not limit His indwelling to the spirit. Does God not indwell the self? And the heart? And the mind? And even the body?

Of these three Elements, the spirit is the noblest for it joins with God. The body is the lowest because it contacts with matter. The soul lying between them joins the two together, and also takes their Character to be it's own. The soul makes it possible for the spirit and the body to communicate and cooperate.

This is pure speculation without an atom of proof.

The work of the soul is to keep these two in their proper order so that they may not lose their right relationship--namely, that the lowest, the body, may be subjected to the spirit. And the highest, the spirit, may Govern the body thru the soul.

Man is one whole. I do not think you can divide him up so easily. Are you really suggesting that the spirit cannot directly affect the body.?

 

[passing_through]

The heart and soul is the same thing with enterchangeble words, the heart is he soul. Mind and strength are not parts of the three parts of man, man is spirit, soul, and body.

 

[valiant]

The heart and soul is the same thing with enterchangeble words, the heart is he soul. Mind and strength are not parts of the three parts of man, man is spirit, soul, and body.

The heart and the soul are in fact very different. The heart includes the bodily emotions. You are just inventing your own constituencies. Paul did NOT say that man is spirit soul and body. He merely asked that these aspects of man should be preserved blameless. Just as heart, soul, mind and strength are to love God, so body soul and spirit are to be preserved blameless. Thus man can be divided up in various ways, as a complex unity. How can the heart be the same as the soul when Jesus differentiates them? And indeed the terms soul and spirit are sometimes used interchangeably. Next to the spirit the mind is the most important part of us and the two blend together.

I prefer to believe Jesus

 

[passing_through]

The heart and the soul are in fact very different. The heart includes the bodily emotions. You are just inventing your own constituencies. Paul did NOT say that man is spirit soul and body. He merely asked that these aspects of man should be preserved blameless. Just as heart, soul, mind and strength are to love God, so body soul and spirit are to be preserved blameless. Thus man can be divided up in various ways, as a complex unity. How can the heart be the same as the soul when Jesus differentiates them? And indeed the terms soul and spirit are sometimes used interchangeably. Next to the spirit the mind is the most important part of us and the two blend together.

I prefer to believe Jesus

Board member, what say you, who agrees with valiant.

I find it had to believe that you are 81.

 

[DP]

The Constitution of human beings is dualistic--soul and Body. Soul is the invisible inner Spiritual part, while body is the visible outer Caporal Part. But this by way of Scripture is not the complete picture. The bible never confuses Spirit and Soul as though they were the same. Not only are they different in terms but also in nature.

1 Thess. 5:23 reads: "May the God of peace Himself Sanctify you wholly; and may your Spirit and Soul and Body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ."

So, God separates us into three parts, and also makes a distinction between Spirit and Soul, otherwise Paul would have said, "your soul." So Spirit, Soul, and Body make up man. Many account soulical as spiritual, and thus they remain in a soulish state and seek not what is really spiritual. The Body is where man comes into contact with the material world, which gives us world-consciousness, The soul belongs to a man's own self and reveals his personality, or self-consciousness, the spirit is man's God-consciousness.

God dwells in the spirit; self dwells in the soul. While senses dwell in the Body.

Of these three Elements, the spirit is the noblest for it joins with God. The body is the lowest because it contacts with matter. The soul lying between them joins the two together, and also takes their Character to be it's own. The soul makes it possible for the spirit and the body to communicate and cooperate. The work of the soul is to keep these two in their proper order so that they may not lose their right relationship--namely, that the lowest, the body, may be subjected to the spirit. And the highest, the spirit, may Govern the body thru the soul.

The NT also shows that our flesh can... be separated from our spirit/soul.

I do not see the resurrection body as being one of flesh like we have today, because this one today gets sicks, feels pain, cold-heat, and dies.

In 1 Cor.15 per the Greek, Paul revealed that we must go through 2 different changes to have immortality in Christ Jesus. Our body of corruption (flesh body) must be changed to a body of incorruption ("spiritual body" or "image of the heavenly") and... "this mortal" (I deem our soul part) must put on "immortality" in Christ Jesus. It's that latter change for the soul that signifies Christ's Salvation. In John 3 our Lord Jesus called that our spirit being born of Spirit, and I believe that included our soul. I don't believe our spirit and soul can be separated. I believe our spirit is what will make up our "spiritual body" in that time, the body of incorruption, and that the wicked will have that kind of body also, but still with a dead soul having rejected Christ.

 

[tourist]

I have a question for any of you who will answer it.

Do you have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and
how do you know you have it?
(after you answer I will have some follow up questions)

I'm not in the mood to answer your questions. Follow up questions will not be necessary.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

The heart and the soul are in fact very different. The heart includes the bodily emotions. You are just inventing your own constituencies. Paul did NOT say that man is spirit soul and body. He merely asked that these aspects of man should be preserved blameless. Just as heart, soul, mind and strength are to love God, so body soul and spirit are to be preserved blameless. Thus man can be divided up in various ways, as a complex unity. How can the heart be the same as the soul when Jesus differentiates them? And indeed the terms soul and spirit are sometimes used interchangeably. Next to the spirit the mind is the most important part of us and the two blend together.

I prefer to believe Jesus

Yep, we also have a mind.

• Philippians 1:27 KJV
  
  
  27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent , I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

[prove-all]

The meaning of this is that, that generation of Israel will be held accountable because of the proof of miracles that they had experienced, having the Son of God in their presence and still did not believe and repent.

first the word Israel is not even in those verses,
Matthew 12:41 , Luke 11:32, Matthew 12:42


The men of Nineve , The queen of the south , where in different times frame, apart.


the message and warning was given to everyone in [this current] evil generation, still ongoing.


It shows that people do not go to heaven or hell at death, and will be future judgement

 

[jaybird88]

cool, maybe you could help

Joel 2

2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness,
as the morning spread upon the mountains:

a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like,
neither shall be any more after it, [even to] the years of many generations.

3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth:
the land is as [the garden of Eden] before them,
and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

who are, this great people?

the joel 2 army? i guess they are the bad guys our Lord will destroy? i havent studied it much. but it seems to be very popular today

 

[prove-all]

This is an interesting concept. Where did you get this information from? We normally give a reference to our information. Is this by any chance Kabbalah?

Kefa

More origins of Heaven and Hell beliefs, information referances.


The modern conceptions of both heaven and hell have their origins in ancient Egyptian culture. The Egyptians believed that they would stand before, and be judged by, the god Osiris upon their death: “When the verdict is favorable and he has been cleared of any impurity, his heart is restored, and after several other ordeals, he is ushered into the bright Elysian Fields (the fields of Alu) beyond the water.… Henceforth, he enjoys the perennial life of the blessed under the shadow of the tree of life, or the sycamore of Nut, the goddess of the sky, a true Osiris” (Kaufmann Kohler, Heaven and Hell in Comparative Religion, pp. 22-23).



When the verdict was negative, the sinner experienced the “second death.” He was then dismembered and subjected to the fiercest tortures, including burning by hot coals, plunging into deep waters, or cutting the body into pieces by sharp swords. “We have here the very origin of [Dante’s poems] the Inferno and Paradiso” (ibid., p. 23).


These pagan beliefs became a part of modern theology through the literature of Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), best known for the Divine Comedy in three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso. Dante’s personal ideas about hell came largely from the writings of the Greek philosophers Plato and Virgil. His Inferno included a tour through the various levels of hell, where sinners suffered by an eternally punishing fire. This story is the basis for beliefs on hell among millions of professing Christians.

 

[jaybird88]

More origins of Heaven and Hell beliefs, information referances.


The modern conceptions of both heaven and hell have their origins in ancient Egyptian culture. The Egyptians believed that they would stand before, and be judged by, the god Osiris upon their death: “When the verdict is favorable and he has been cleared of any impurity, his heart is restored, and after several other ordeals, he is ushered into the bright Elysian Fields (the fields of Alu) beyond the water.… Henceforth, he enjoys the perennial life of the blessed under the shadow of the tree of life, or the sycamore of Nut, the goddess of the sky, a true Osiris” (Kaufmann Kohler, Heaven and Hell in Comparative Religion, pp. 22-23).



When the verdict was negative, the sinner experienced the “second death.” He was then dismembered and subjected to the fiercest tortures, including burning by hot coals, plunging into deep waters, or cutting the body into pieces by sharp swords. “We have here the very origin of [Dante’s poems] the Inferno and Paradiso” (ibid., p. 23).


These pagan beliefs became a part of modern theology through the literature of Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), best known for the Divine Comedy in three parts: Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso. Dante’s personal ideas about hell came largely from the writings of the Greek philosophers Plato and Virgil. His Inferno included a tour through the various levels of hell, where sinners suffered by an eternally punishing fire. This story is the basis for beliefs on hell among millions of professing Christians.

the pre dynastic Egyptians were monotheistic. the details you listed are true but many dont know that this spiritual belief was what they went to after they fell away from our Lord. IMO this is why the Hebrews left.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Man is one whole. I do not think you can divide him up so easily. Are you really suggesting that the spirit cannot directly affect the body.?

Unless God intervenes and communes with our spirit it will only compel us to serve the flesh or self.

All creatures including Adam, even before he sinned were subjected to vanity.

Adam was not deceived.

So why did he follow Eve?

It was to keep what was his rather than obey God.

It is a great fallacy to say that Adam fell.

Adam was a vain creature right out of the gate.

What God did was show us the end from the beginning.

In the beginning God put a sinless sinner, Adam into paradise.

Who will be in paradise at the end of this deal?

Sinless sinners.

Glory to God through his son Jesus Christ.

Amen.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

• 1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
  
  
  45 And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
  
  So then the first Adam shall be last and the last Adam first.
• Job 15:7 KJV
  
  
  7 Art thou the first man that was born ? or wast thou made before the hills?
  
  Was Job him? Nope.

Hebrews 2

10For it became him,for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying , I will declare thyname unto my brethren,in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again,I will put my trust in him.And again,Behold I and the children which God hath given me.


It was Yeshua Messiah

 

[prove-all]

power of God

15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom] it seemed meet unto me.

35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).

-- the Holy Spirit is the very power of God

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit upon him): he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: (for God giveth)
(not the Spirit by measure) unto him.

-God gave Jesus His power, with no measure, even from the womb.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall [receive] of mine, and shall [shew it] unto you.

23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost
not many days hence.



Our spiritual birth began with our minds being fertilized with a small portion of
God’s Holy Spirit upon repentance,baptism and the laying on of hands (Acts 2:38).

38Then Peter said unto them, [Repent], and [be baptized] every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for [the remission of sins], and ye shall receive
[the gift] of the Holy Ghost.

in the parables of the pounds and talents, given while hes away to see how we use.

-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit
is the earnest or down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).

--now Christ Jesus is the Administrator of the spirit , the power of God.

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation.

--thats saying the power of God , is of the devil, or from

13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much
more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much
more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

--we have to [ask for daily bread ], in everything, be for [the right] reasons.


2“The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding

[The fear] of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding
have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

--

4(The Spirit of God) hath made me "Job a man", and the breath
of (the Almighty) hath given me life.

7Whither shall [I go] from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

27The spirit [of man] is the candle of the Lord, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit [of man] which is in him?
even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit [of God].

He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God,
who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.


And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto
[the day] of redemption.


Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ
is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ
is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,

By this we know that we love (the "children" of God), But as many as
received him, (to them gave he power) to become (the sons of God),
(even to them) that (believe on his name):

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge:
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

---

But they rebelled, [and vexed] his holy Spirit: therefore
he was turned to be their enemy, and [he fought] against them.

Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears,
ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

4For it is [impossible] for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted
of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of [the Holy Ghost],
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify
to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted?
it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.



Do not cast me from your presence [or ]take your Holy Spirit from me. Psalm 51:11

- King David after knowing he sinned [againest God], earnestly prayed for repentence,
and to not have the spirit take away from him.



18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,
that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


11But if (the Spirit of him) that (raised up Jesus) from the dead (dwell in you),
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also

[will quicken your mortal bodies] by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;

afterward they that are Christ's (at his coming).

--thus being raised a thousand years early as firstfruits, at his return.
and not have to wait for the second resurection, in the fall crop.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered
into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

 

[prove-all]

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will
keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison,
and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me

to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,


Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.
And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

---

He quoted

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...


[and] the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;


Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD,that he might be glorified.

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

-yes it will after death sometime, how long before it returns, right after much later.
sometime after death we know only . nor does it say if it is consious or not,
or anything else much about this event in this one verse, just that it returns [after bodly] death.

Then with the story our Lord Jesus gave at the end of Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man dying, and their part that had continued existence was carried to either side of Paradise, where they still had awareness, why would He mislead us if those objects weren't true?

I know this [is] A parable, and I will try explain and reply once I have more time,
I would rather spend time first on king Davids throne you started, love that subject