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We will be hearing from God(Heavenly Father) from the beginning of creation. God(Heavenly Father) has the final authority of men and Jesus was obedient to God(Heavenly Father. Who made the day Holy? Was this before the Law? The Sabbath came from God not the law because God is speaking to the people about Sabbath. Many Scriptures about keeping the Sabbath that came from God to the Israelites because God created the commandment of keeping the Sabbath. There is thirty or more scriptures on keeping the Sabbath that means the Sabbath was very important to God and the Book of Exodus speaks about the Sabbath. The battle is truly about the day of Sabbath is it Saturday or Sunday. People can keep the Sabbath every day if you prefer resting in Heavenly Father and on Saturday or Sunday fellowship with other believers. Wow, that was very simple! Gentiles the Romans already had a worship day which was Sunday so the Roman Christians decided to keep that for God. This information is in your local library or research on the internet. The Roman Catholic Church will tell you that the Sabbath Day was changed and it is a common knowledge. In many Asia countries still to this day kept the Sabbath on Saturday. Show me in the Word that Jesus changed the Sabbath Day? Jesus stated that He has fulfilled the law does that means change the Sabbath Day? Lets look at the Word of God. Does words change and fulfill means the same?

[h=1]Genesis 2English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]The Seventh Day, God Rests[/h]2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.



[h=1]Genesis 2King James Version (KJV)[/h]2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.



[h=1]Isaiah 66Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h]
priests and Levites,” says the Lord.
22 “For just as the new heavens and the new earth,
which I will make,
will endure before Me”—
this is the Lord’s declaration—
“so your offspring and your name will endure.
23 All mankind will come to worship Me
from one New Moon to another
and from one Sabbath to another,”
says the Lord.



[h=1]Matthew 5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h]
[h=3]Christ Fulfills the Law[/h]17“Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter[d] or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Lets look at the two words definitions: Change and Fulfill. Do these words mean the same in context?


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As Christians we understand that every day is to be reserved as holy unto God.

However, we do not ignore that the Law was in fact changed:


Hebrews 7:11-12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Perfection here refers to the same type of fulfillment the Lord refers to in regards to Himself and His relationship with the (Covenant of) Law. The writer mentions perfection a number of times, and here are a few:


Hebrews 7:19; 26-28

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.



Hebrews 9:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;



Hebrews 10:1

King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.



And just one more (for now):


Hebrews 10:14

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.



Pretty amazing, right?

And while we would acknowledge that the Sabbath was sanctified prior tot he Law, even so we would acknowledge that so was circumcision. But we don't return to foundational principles when we have had revealed to us exactly what it means for Christ to have both fulfilled (made complete) and changed the Law.

And we also consider Paul's teaching in regards to holy days:


Colossians 2:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


God bless.
 
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Thank you for the scriptures to study this matter even more, but at the end of the day I must be obedient to God. I am studying the Word of God for myself and I wondering where did man get his teachings, dogma and indoctrination. I love everybody even if their beliefs are different because at the end of day does truly matters when I gone from this earth. It is how I treated that person in conduct(love) will determine my character as a believer.
 
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Thank you for the scriptures to study this matter even more, but at the end of the day I must be obedient to God. I am studying the Word of God for myself and I wondering where did man get his teachings, dogma and indoctrination. I love everybody even if their beliefs are different because at the end of day does truly matters when I gone from this earth. It is how I treated that person in conduct(love) will determine my character as a believer.
Beautifully put!
 
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Thank you for the scriptures to study this matter even more, but at the end of the day I must be obedient to God. I am studying the Word of God for myself and I wondering where did man get his teachings, dogma and indoctrination. I love everybody even if their beliefs are different because at the end of day does truly matters when I gone from this earth. It is how I treated that person in conduct(love) will determine my character as a believer.
When it is man's teaching, we know he didn't get it from Scripture.

When it is Biblical teaching, the Scriptures speak for themselves.

And Scripture does not teach Sabbath Keeping as a New Covenant commandment.

I would also inquire to your repeated "God (Heavenly Father)."

You do realize that Jesus Christ (The Son) is God, right? You realize that Jesus Christ is the Creator, right? That He is Lord of the Sabbath?


God bless.
 
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[video=youtube;Y1M2Yrw-yOk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1M2Yrw-yOk[/video]
 

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As Christians we understand that every day is to be reserved as holy unto God.

However, we do not ignore that the Law was in fact changed:


Hebrews 7:11-12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Perfection here refers to the same type of fulfillment the Lord refers to in regards to Himself and His relationship with the (Covenant of) Law. The writer mentions perfection a number of times, and here are a few:


Hebrews 7:19; 26-28

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.



Hebrews 9:8-9

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;



Hebrews 10:1

King James Version (KJV)

1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.



And just one more (for now):


Hebrews 10:14

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.



Pretty amazing, right?

And while we would acknowledge that the Sabbath was sanctified prior tot he Law, even so we would acknowledge that so was circumcision. But we don't return to foundational principles when we have had revealed to us exactly what it means for Christ to have both fulfilled (made complete) and changed the Law.

And we also consider Paul's teaching in regards to holy days:


Colossians 2:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


God bless.
It is important when quoting scripture to illustrate a principle or doctrine, one must do so in context.. the texts you quoted from the letter to the Hebrews was specifically addressing the levitical priesthood NOT the Sabbath or any other part of the 1st 5 books, I have seen much apologetics as to why the Sabbath was supposedly changed, (none of which are valid according to scripture) but this is one of the worse. if its out of context its a pretext, we should question everything weve been taught and compare it to the great standard for any doctrine, (2 Tim. 3:16) please remember when this and all the letters in the NT were written the NT itself didn't exist, so the scripture being addressed here is the OT.
 
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To me it is between God and I. I do fellowship daily with God, keep the Sabbath and attend church on Sunday because I enjoy worshiping with other believers. It is a Christian Church and they are very nice to me.
Good. I'm glad you enjoy it. I used to meet on Friday nights and really enjoyed that.
 
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It is important when quoting scripture to illustrate a principle or doctrine, one must do so in context..
Agreed, lol.

the texts you quoted from the letter to the Hebrews was specifically addressing the levitical priesthood NOT the Sabbath or any other part of the 1st 5 books,
Correction, the Writer of Hebrews is addressing the Levitical Economy and the Covenant of Law.

See it again:


Hebrews 7:11-12

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



And speaking of context, let me share with you the context of my response: it was dealing, not just with the false teaching that Christians are commanded to keep the Sabbath, which is a doctrine of Judaizers, but, with the implication of the OP concerning "Christ changing, and fulfilling."

Both of which are addressed by the Writer of Hebrews.

The OP states...


Jesus stated that He has fulfilled the law does that means change the Sabbath Day? Lets look at the Word of God. Does words change and fulfill means the same?


Well, answer the question yourself, lol.

"Does words change and fulfill mean the same?"

Funny you would be quick to point out a perceived confusion of context in my own post, but the ridiculous nature of this question...you perhaps overlook?

Not quick to support a doctrine even if it is presented with glaring error, are you?


I have seen much apologetics as to why the Sabbath was supposedly changed,
That's great, but there is a problem...I never said the Sabbath was changed.

Perhaps you will tell me how this...


Colossians 2:13-17

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


...was used out of context?



(none of which are valid according to scripture)

I might be inclined to agree, but hardly for the same reason.

I am pretty clear about the context of the entire New Testament as it relates to the Law.

And I for one will never be charged with trying to put men under the yoke of the Law again. Can you say the same?


but this is one of the worse.
Well, if you were able to actually put the post in it's own context, you might change your mind (oops, sorry for using that word again).


if its out of context its a pretext,
...which is almost as bad a a poorly presented proof-text, lol.

So tell me...going to judge me concerning my views about holy days? Could you provide one text that demands anyone keep the Sabbath?


we should question everything weve been taught and compare it to the great standard for any doctrine, (2 Tim. 3:16)
I agree, and that is why the OPs implication that the Law was not changed by Christ was addressed.

Here is my opening statement which provides the context for the following verses supplied:



As Christians we understand that every day is to be reserved as holy unto God.

However, we do not ignore that the Law was in fact changed:

This is in response to the OP:

Show me in the Word that Jesus changed the Sabbath Day? Jesus stated that He has fulfilled the law does that means change the Sabbath Day? Lets look at the Word of God. Does words change and fulfill means the same?

To answer the question, of course fulfill and change do not mean the same thing, and in fact, in the proof-texts provided...


Genesis 2English Standard Version (ESV)

The Seventh Day, God Rests

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done.3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.


Matthew 5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)


Christ Fulfills the Law

17“Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter[d] or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Lets look at the two words definitions: Change and Fulfill. Do these words mean the same in context?


...it is pretty obvious the OP is teaching a doctrine of the Judaizer.

And it is pretty obvious in Christ's statement He contrasts the two. "I did not come to destroy...but to fulfill."

And an obvious question is why is destroy changed to...change? Why is a secular definition provided?

And my only intent was to give her something to think about. Very little commentary, primarily Scripture with biblical definitions provided in links.

So show me the word change in the above proof-texts, and tell me this is not a subtle wresting of the text to promote a false teaching.



please remember when this and all the letters in the NT were written the NT itself didn't exist,

Have to disagree with that as well. This is a popular misconception which does not take into consideration that the New Testament, while not formalized as of yet...were indeed being circulated among the Churches and considered Scripture.

Consider:


2 Peter 3:15-16

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.




so the scripture being addressed here is the OT.
Did you even bother to read the OP? lol

And we do not just take the Old Testament into consideration, my friend, we also take into consideration the New Covenant, which has abrogated the Law.

And that was the simple point.

The Writer of Hebrews, who penned Inspired Scripture, spoke only of the Covenant of Law and the New Covenant. He did not, as some seek to do, try to circumvent New Testament Teachings with poorly constructed teachings which try to deny that the New Covenant is the culmination of Redemptive History to this date.

The only further progression will be the Millennial Kingdom and ultimately the Eternal State.

And guess what, in those days every day will still be holy unto God for Christians.

Here are recommendations for Gentiles:


Acts 15:19-20

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.


Does this mean there are two types of Christians? Jews and Gentiles? No, because that would nullify Paul's teaching that in Christ we are made one.

It is best to understand that nowhere in Scripture are Jews commanded to shed their heritage, nor Gentiles to adopt that of the Jews. If a Jew desires to worship on the Sabbath (which will always be Saturday), they can. If the Gentile wants to worship on the First Day, they can.

And those that teach one way or the other are simply in disobedience to Scripture.

So I appreciate the lesson on context, my friend, but, I would suggest the nest time you give a little more attention to the details yourself.


God bless.
 
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To me it is between God and I. I do fellowship daily with God, keep the Sabbath and attend church on Sunday because I enjoy worshiping with other believers. It is a Christian Church and they are very nice to me.
So could you explain the OP? lol

Do you still think Christ did not change the Law?


God bless.
 
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The teaching merges and blends Old and New Testament teachings without distinction, and should be considered a bad resource.

When a Christian chooses to worship is up to them.

To demand Sabbath Keeping is a doctrine of Judaizers.


God bless.
Thanks for pointing that out. I just skimmed it until the end, and this paragraph seemed like it was OK

The insistence of seventh-day sabbatarians on the wholly moral character of the fourth commandment and on its perpetual and universal obligation is based upon statements which find no support in the Bible. They ignore the clear statements that the fourth commandment was addressed to the Israelites whom the LORD had delivered from Egypt. Moreover, the distinction which they make between "the law of God" and "the law of Moses" is not supported by Scripture. Likewise, their interpretation of the words of Christ and of Paul which are quoted in defense of the perpetuity of the sabbath command, if pressed to its logical conclusion, proves too much. The word "law" as used by Jesus and Paul refers to more than just the Ten Commandments. Seventh-day sabbatarians do not insist that all the laws of the Mosaic legislation are meant to be observed by Christians in this age. But, they fail to see that Paul definitely included the sabbath command among those ordinances which were done away in Christ. Their claim that the Roman Catholic Church changed the sabbath from the seventh day to the first day of the week is without foundation. In spite of some Roman Catholic writers that claim that such a change was made by "the Catholic Church," the evidence from the Early Church Fathers is conclusive that these early church leaders did not regard Sunday as a continuation of the Hebrew sabbath.
 
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Thanks for pointing that out. I just skimmed it until the end, and this paragraph seemed like it was OK
I have to apologize, sometimes I am a little bit too critical of certain resources, as well as being guilty of skimming it myself. I will say we have to be careful in regards to the Sabbath, because it is for some a holy day (while most of us consider ourselves to be obligated to viewing every day as holy). I would no more try to persuade someone from taking a view that esteems the Sabbath above other days of the week, and most Christians esteem Sunday above other days, but, that doesn't mean the Biblical Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday, as some believe. I see nothing wrong with viewing it as the Christian Sabbath, so to speak, as we see the First Day of the Week forever tied to the Resurrection of Christ.

It is when Sabbath Keeping is imposed on people and the implication is that we are sinning if we do not keep the Sabbath that I have to take issue with those who, whether they know it or not, are in fact imposing the Law on believers. The Law is the last Economy prior to the establishment of the New Covenant, and therefore, as seen in Hebrews is the "last word" so to speak in regards to what God commanded His people, Israel, and by extension, anyone willing to become proselytes and worship the God of the Bible.

So I hope you will forgive my hasty reply, have to get going and sometimes make the mistake of not giving attention to detail as I should.


God bless.
 

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Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king;
and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.


The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom;
and to depart from evil is understanding.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have
all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.
 
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So could you explain the OP? lol

Do you still think Christ did not change the Law?


God bless.
I will fellowship with you too because I do not judge others days of worship. That means if your day of worship was Wednesday night then I will fellowship with you if the Holy Spirit told me too. Now pay attention to the words that comes forth out of Jesus mouth. Did Jesus say he came to change the Law by the scriptures below? I do not teach because I am sharing the Word of God. Sometimes, I might see the Word of God in a different perspective like everyone else. If I come across teaching forgive me because that is natural for me to do. Your Sabbath can be every day of the week that is your choice and I respect your choice. No debating about that issue from me.:D


Matthew 5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)


Christ Fulfills the Law

17 “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter[d] or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands and teaches people to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.