7th.Day Sabbath and Holy Days:

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kohelet

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And don't get me wrong, I agree with what your saying.
We can simply have a sabbath day any day you want to, because sabbath is just rest.
We can worship any day we want to, we can gather together any day we want to.
But that does not change that there is only 1 day known as "The Sabbath".
And that doesn't change that there are Sabbath's within the 7 feasts.

I believe there is a difference between a sabbath, and the Sabbath.
That's why sometimes I'll capitalize if I'm talking about the Sabbath, and lower case if I'm just talking about a sabbath used as a normal day of rest.

And I respect you right to your view, biblelogic01. But I can't call something essential that isn't called essential in the New Testament.
 
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Biblelogic01

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Putting time aside to come into God's presence will always result in blessing. If we draw near to God he will draw near to us. There is no bible logic in saying though, that this is therefore a stipulation for everyone under the new covenant. This idea is completely foreign to the New Testament and is "Jesus-plus" teaching.


I agree with this.
But the 7th day of the week regardless, is the Sabbath, a day of rest.
There is no mention of actual worshipping on this day, all it says it to rest.
Now if one finds it restful to come into worship (which I find it is restful) then yes one can worship.
But ultimately from my understanding, Sabbath is just a day of rest, and that's all God intended it to be.
It's assumed that worship is required on Sabbath, but there is no mention of that scripturally.
So I do believe a sabbath day and a day of worship are 2 completely differnt things.
And to go with that there is only 1 day of the week set aside as the Sabbath.
 
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biblicalsandy

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I agree with this.
But the 7th day of the week regardless, is the Sabbath, a day of rest.
There is no mention of actual worshipping on this day, all it says it to rest.
Now if one finds it restful to come into worship (which I find it is restful) then yes one can worship.
But ultimately from my understanding, Sabbath is just a day of rest, and that's all God intended it to be.
It's assumed that worship is required on Sabbath, but there is no mention of that scripturally.
So I do believe a sabbath day and a day of worship are 2 completely differnt things.
And to go with that there is only 1 day of the week set aside as the Sabbath.
I agree with this
 
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"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" Colossians 2:16,17
Look, I am not arguing for Sabbath observance, but as least get your quote right.

The Sabbaths (plural) Paul had in mind were the sacrificial (some say "ceremonial) Sabbaths. These were "drink sacrifices", "meat sacrifices", certain holy days that even happened on our Sunday. These are found in Lev 23:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+23&version=KJV
 

kohelet

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Exodus, Leviticus, and I believe Deuteronomy all have scriputre on the Sabbath and God states for it to be an everlasting statute. To be observed through all generations.

If God inteded for the observance of Sabbath to end, I'm sure He wouldn't of use the language of saying to observe it through all generations.

This has all been covered elsewhere but it doesn't do any harm to mention it again (the question is more whether it'll do much good).

The Sabbath rest of the OT foreshadowed the reality of the New, Jesus. "For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God" (Heb. 4:8,9) and that Sabbath is not a day, but a Person. You're right - in a sense, the Sabbath didn't end - it was fulfilled. What we now must do is "strive to enter that rest" (v. 11). The two, the rest of the OT and the fulfilled rest of the New are spoken of by the writer to the Hebrews in the same breath. In that sense the Sabbath is permanent.

The only way to the rest foreshadowed and realised in God's word is through faith in Jesus. Observing the Sabbath day is fine, of course, but is not a stipulation.
 

Ahwatukee

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Look, I am not arguing for Sabbath observance, but as least get your quote right.

The Sabbaths (plural) Paul had in mind were the sacrificial (some say "ceremonial) Sabbaths. These were "drink sacrifices", "meat sacrifices", certain holy days that even happened on our Sunday. These are found in Lev 23:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+23&version=KJV
Paul was speaking about any and all Sabbaths and the works of the law in general. Regarding the scripture, in other words, I'm now under the new covenant in Christ, so don't judge me regarding the works of the law, which I am no longer under.
 
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Paul was speaking about any and all Sabbaths and the works of the law in general. Regarding the scripture, in other words, I'm now under the new covenant in Christ, so don't judge me regarding the works of the law, which I am no longer under.

Yes, you've been saved from under law. But why? Because none of us are measuring up and to remain under law means death.

But, since we are not under law, does that mean we can practice sin as a lifestyle? Do you practice, for example, adultery as a lifestyle? (this is a rhetorical) Do you, as a believer, practice homosexuality as a lifestyle? Or how about theft?, etc, etc.

Here's what Paul states about those who condone and practice sin as a lifestyle:

Gal 5:21 "those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Why, I thought we weren't under law?

We aren't, but now when you sin you aren't sinning against a law, but Jesus Christ Himself. It's like crucifying Him over and over because our sins put Christ on the cross.

So now when we sin (and we do sin, even highhandedly sometimes) do we seek forgiveness from Christ or do we say, "that's not sin, the law was abolished"?

The later is justifying known sin as a lifestyle. If we don't repent when we sin then we must not be sinners. If not sinners, we don't need Christ. If we don't have Christ we will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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breno785au

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The original question was how many here observe the sabbath/holy days not how many here debate about it.
 
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Biblelogic01

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The original question was how many here observe the sabbath/holy days not how many here debate about it.
I was going to say that a few posts ago, but I forgot because I have short term memory loss.

I do need to get that checked out.
 

Ahwatukee

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But, since we are not under law, does that mean we can practice sin as a lifestyle? Do you practice, for example, adultery as a lifestyle? (this is a rhetorical) Do you, as a believer, practice homosexuality as a lifestyle? Or how about theft?, etc, etc.


What you are speaking of is called "antinomianism" and it doesn't have anything to do with not being under the law. Anyone who is living that way is still living according to the sinful nature plain and simple. We are under a new covenant in the shed blood of Christ, led by the Spirit. If you are following Christ and are led by the Spirit, then the believer is not going to be practicing adultery, homosexuality, murder, lying, etc., etc. Not being under the law does not equal free reign to sin. And I don't know for the life of me why people equate not being under the law as Carte Blanche to sin. It is just another ploy to bring believers back under the law which Christ already accomplished on our behalf.

The bottom line is, any time anyone brings in any other requirement for salvation along side Christ's sacrifice, it is the equivalent of saying that Christ's sacrifice was insufficient. Christ accomplished the purpose for which the law as given and that on our behalf. All who trust in their own works will be those "Many" whom Jesus spoke of saying "Many will say to me on that day 'but Lord, Lord, did we not". And they won't be able to enter into the kingdom of God because they trusted in their own efforts (did we not), while at the same time claiming that they were trusting in Christ. Anyone who is truly trusting in Christ for their salvation doesn't have any other requirements that they must perform in order to aid in salvation, because Christ has done it for us by meeting the righteous requirements of the law perfectly, and by the shedding of his blood as payment for our sins.

May I never boast in anything by the cross of Christ
 

JGIG

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And where it appears as Paul teaches against the law, he is teaching against using/following the law for justification of salvation, he's not teaching against the law itself.

The law cannot save someone, that's basically all was teaching on when it came to the law.

For some reason, over the years that got turned into that Paul was teaching against the law itself, which is not the case otherwise he's very contradicting in his words when he calls the law holy and good.
The Law is holy and good.

Those in Christ have also died to it, because the Law is the power of sin, and we have died to the power of sin (as Paul clearly teaches in 1 Cor. 15:56, Rom. 6:5-11, Rom. 7:4-6).

Keeping the Old and New Covenants in their proper places - inferior and superior, respectively, does not mean that one teaches against the Law, but simply that one is keeping it in its proper place in the Light of the Work of Christ and His Perfect, Permanent, High Priesthood establishing the New Covenant.

-JGIG
 

JGIG

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Exodus, Leviticus, and I believe Deuteronomy all have scriputre on the Sabbath and God states for it to be an everlasting statute. To be observed through all generations.

If God inteded for the observance of Sabbath to end, I'm sure He wouldn't of use the language of saying to observe it through all generations.

Reread those passages; all are conditional upon complete obedience. Jeremiah and other prophets make clear how the Covenant given at Sinai was broken over and over. God remained faithful to preserve Messiah's line, for His purposes and glory to bring about the New Covenant, built on better promises.

-JGIG
 
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If you are following Christ and are led by the Spirit, then the believer is not going to be practicing adultery, homosexuality, murder, lying, etc., etc. Not being under the law does not equal free reign to sin.
Right, that's why John says, "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." 1 John 3:9

Now, what you and I mentioned involved our relationship with our neighbors, but what about our faith relationship with Christ? Let's go back to Gal 5:16,19-20

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. ...19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...20 idolatry....

What commandment points out the sin of idolatry? The 1st commandment:

Ex 20:3 "
You shall have no other gods before me."

The 2nd commandment is, "
You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them...." Ex 20:4,5

The 3rd commandment is, "You shall not misuse the name of the Lord
your God" Ex 20:7

Wouldn't you say that practicing these is sin, in terms of our faith relationship?
 
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KohenMatt

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I've been observing them for about 10 years now, and it has been one of the greatest blessings in my life. No matter where the week has taken my family and I, Friday night has been a corner stone in our home, and reminder of how holy and set apart our God is. The blessing of taking an entire day as set apart and unique to God is tremendous.

The Feast Days?

I could go on and on about how powerful those are!
 
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sparkman

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Exodus, Leviticus, and I believe Deuteronomy all have scriputre on the Sabbath and God states for it to be an everlasting statute. To be observed through all generations.

If God inteded for the observance of Sabbath to end, I'm sure He wouldn't of use the language of saying to observe it through all generations.
The same language of everlasting was used in regards to physical circumcision but it is not applicable today obviously. The word olam in Hebrew was applied to both physical circumcision and the Sabbath in the verses I list in the link below...in one case translated "perpetual" and in the other case translated "everlasting".

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117464-sabbath-circumcision-comparison.html

This is a comparison of the Sabbath and circumcision. Both were signs of the Old Covenant.

The showbread was also labeled as perpetual.
 

valiant

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Look, I am not arguing for Sabbath observance, but as least get your quote right.

The Sabbaths (plural) Paul had in mind were the sacrificial (some say "ceremonial) Sabbaths. These were "drink sacrifices", "meat sacrifices", certain holy days that even happened on our Sunday. These are found in Lev 23:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+23&version=KJV
This is called avoiding the obvious. New moons and Sabbaths clearly refers to the regular 'monthly' new moon and the regular weekly Sabbaths.
 

KohenMatt

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The original question was how many here observe the sabbath/holy days not how many here debate about it.
I know many here do keep the Sabbath. Not as many talk about keeping the Feast Days. Keeping the Sabbath is more accepted and practical to keep, so more people talk and/or do it.

The Feast Days don't seem as practical and easy to keep, so I think less people talk about them or do them.
 
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sparkman

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I know many here do keep the Sabbath. Not as many talk about keeping the Feast Days. Keeping the Sabbath is more accepted and practical to keep, so more people talk and/or do it.

The Feast Days don't seem as practical and easy to keep, so I think less people talk about them or do them.
Do you take off work all 7 or 8 days of the Feast of Tabernacles? I think some only observe "high days". Just wondering.

With Armstrongites they took the whole eight days off, even at the risk of being terminated from work.