Genesis 3:15

[Billyd]

I realize that much of Genesis points ahead to Christ, but sometime I get hung up on a verse.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Adam Clarke sums this verse up this way. "Therefore the address is not to Adam and Eve, but to Eve alone; and it was in consequence of this purpose of God that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; this, and this alone, is what is implied in the promise of the seed of the woman bruising the head of the serpent. "

This seems to be the consensus of most commentaries that I have looked at.

This summary seems to be quite a stretch. Maybe someone here can amplify on the verse.

 

[crossnote]

I realize that much of Genesis points ahead to Christ, but sometime I get hung up on a verse.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Adam Clarke sums this verse up this way. "Therefore the address is not to Adam and Eve, but to Eve alone; and it was in consequence of this purpose of God that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; this, and this alone, is what is implied in the promise of the seed of the woman bruising the head of the serpent. "

This seems to be the consensus of most commentaries that I have looked at.

This summary seems to be quite a stretch. Maybe someone here can amplify on the verse.

I thought God was addressing the serpent/satan.

 

[crossnote]

I thought God was addressing the serpent/satan.

"between thy seed and her seed" is seen here...

Galatians 4:28-29 KJVS
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i would not call it a direct prophecy of the virgin birth of the messiah...but in retrospect it does seem to 'hint' at it since the messiah is described as the seed of the woman and not of adam...

 

[seraphprincess]

I once thought it had to do with why women are scared of snakes. I understand the serpent is Satan, and the seed of the woman is Jesus Christ, yes, born from a virgin but of course there are male ancestors of Jesus Christ. It also means there are Satan's servants, fallen angels, demons, evil spirits, dragons, evil non-human creatures like dark fairies, trolls, ogres, goblins, those who were taken from God's creation and turned and twisted by the devil to serve him. They would be against humans, and the good spirits that obeyed god and helped people, guided and protected humans. Unicorns, good fairies, elves, dwarves, winged horses like pegasus, mermaids, etc. The angels, and good dragons are on God's side. If there are any fantasy creatures on Earth they are in hiding or disguise. God sent most of the fantasy creatures to the other worlds and planets so Earth would mostly be for humans and non-intelligent animals.

Call me crazy for believing in these things.

 

[epostle]

In most editions of the Douay-Rheims Bible, Genesis 3:15, in which God is addressing the serpent, reads like this:

"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

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In the New American Bible, as in all other modern Bibles, it reads like this:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

​

The essential difference between these two renderings concerning who will crush the serpent's head and who the serpent is trying to strike. The Douay-Rheims uses feminine pronouns -- she and her -- implying that the woman is the person being spoken of in this part of the verse. All modern translations use masculine pronouns -- he and his -- implying that the seed of the woman is the of that part of the verse.

The reason for the difference in the renderings is a manuscript difference. Modern translations follow what the original Hebrew of the passage says. The Douay-Rheims, however, is following a manuscript variant found in many early Fathers and some editions of the Vulgate (but not the original; Jerome followed the Hebrew text in his edition of the Vulgate). The variant probably originated as a copyist error when a scribe failed to take note that the subject of the verse had shifted from the woman to the seed of the woman.

People notice this variant today because the expression found in the Douay-Rheims has been the basis of some popular Catholic art, showing a serene Mary standing over a crushed serpent.

This is because Christians have recognized (all the way back to the first century) that the woman and her seed mentioned in Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons (either Abel or Seth). They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. Thus, just as the first half of the verse, speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman, has been applied to Mary, the second half, speaking of the head crushing and heel striking, has also been applied to Mary due to the manuscript variant, though it properly applies to Jesus, given the original Hebrew.

This does not mean that the idea cannot be validly applied to Mary as well. Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary's heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27). As the holy priest Simeon had told her years before:

"Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against -- and a sword will pierce through your own soul also -- that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed" (Luke 2:34b-35).

Thus Jesus crushed the serpent directly and was directly struck by the serpent; Mary, through her cooperation in the incarnation and her witnessing the sufferings and death of her Son, indirectly crushed the serpent and was indirectly struck by the serpent.

This has long been recognized by Catholics. The footnotes provided a couple of hundred years ago by Bishop Challoner in his revision of the Douay state: "The sense [of these two readings] is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head."
IQB: Genesis 3:15 and Mary

3 more excellent articles on Gen. 3:15

 

[Tintin]

I once thought it had to do with why women are scared of snakes. I understand the serpent is Satan, and the seed of the woman is Jesus Christ, yes, born from a virgin but of course there are male ancestors of Jesus Christ. It also means there are Satan's servants, fallen angels, demons, evil spirits, dragons, evil non-human creatures like dark fairies, trolls, ogres, goblins, those who were taken from God's creation and turned and twisted by the devil to serve him. They would be against humans, and the good spirits that obeyed god and helped people, guided and protected humans. Unicorns, good fairies, elves, dwarves, winged horses like pegasus, mermaids, etc. The angels, and good dragons are on God's side. If there are any fantasy creatures on Earth they are in hiding or disguise. God sent most of the fantasy creatures to the other worlds and planets so Earth would mostly be for humans and non-intelligent animals.

Call me crazy for believing in these things.

Um. I have nothing else to say.

 

[ukok102nak]

:hmm: and some say it was not satan but a
Real snake literally :think
:Genesis: 3. 13. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
~:» KJV version
:rofl: did anyone notice that this verses is pointing unto
The serpent?
The serpernt was been curse
First that it will use its curse as the lird god speak "upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
:yawn: and there is a person who mention that no snake could eat dust? That's why he interpret it unto something which is satan devil or whatever he wants to call it :haha:
What if this verse wouod change his mind :dontknow:
:read:
Genesis: 2. 7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. -

:now: isn't it great that the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, 8)
:lol: can snakes eats human now for it is well known to all that humans
are made up of dust also
And also the animals . ... in the sense of reality we know that even animals have
Flesh and blood just as humans :happy:
meaning we have a same creator from the beggining . ...
Jeremiah: 27. 5. I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.

:scarf: until next time :yawn:
:smoke: For we prepare to wait first . ... then we shall proceed again
after this . ... waitibg again . ... and again

*to be continuef

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[epostle]

There are only two verses in the whole Bible that both contain a woman and a serpent.
Gen. 3:15 and Rev. 12:17. In between is, of course, is a quantum leap.
But an interesting fact came to my attention today. In the Apostles Creed, there are only two proper names given:
The Virgin Mary and Pontius Pilate.

 

[Billyd]

i would not call it a direct prophecy of the virgin birth of the messiah...but in retrospect it does seem to 'hint' at it since the messiah is described as the seed of the woman and not of adam...

The more I read, the more I see the relationship between this verse and Christ. What seems at first to be a simple statement of punishment for sin, really means much more. I think I'll go back and look at the creation with this verse in mind.

Thanks
Billy

 

[Billyd]

In most editions of the Douay-Rheims Bible, Genesis 3:15, in which God is addressing the serpent, reads like this:

"I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel."

​

In the New American Bible, as in all other modern Bibles, it reads like this:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."

​

The essential difference between these two renderings concerning who will crush the serpent's head and who the serpent is trying to strike. The Douay-Rheims uses feminine pronouns -- she and her -- implying that the woman is the person being spoken of in this part of the verse. All modern translations use masculine pronouns -- he and his -- implying that the seed of the woman is the of that part of the verse.

The reason for the difference in the renderings is a manuscript difference. Modern translations follow what the original Hebrew of the passage says. The Douay-Rheims, however, is following a manuscript variant found in many early Fathers and some editions of the Vulgate (but not the original; Jerome followed the Hebrew text in his edition of the Vulgate). The variant probably originated as a copyist error when a scribe failed to take note that the subject of the verse had shifted from the woman to the seed of the woman.

People notice this variant today because the expression found in the Douay-Rheims has been the basis of some popular Catholic art, showing a serene Mary standing over a crushed serpent.

This is because Christians have recognized (all the way back to the first century) that the woman and her seed mentioned in Genesis 3:15 do not simply stand for Eve and one of her righteous sons (either Abel or Seth). They prophetically foreshadow Mary and Jesus. Thus, just as the first half of the verse, speaking of the enmity between the serpent and the woman, has been applied to Mary, the second half, speaking of the head crushing and heel striking, has also been applied to Mary due to the manuscript variant, though it properly applies to Jesus, given the original Hebrew.

This does not mean that the idea cannot be validly applied to Mary as well. Through her cooperation in the incarnation of Christ, so that the Son of God (who, from the cross, directly crushed the head of the serpent) became her seed, Mary did crush the head of the serpent. In the same way, the serpent struck at Christ on the cross, and indirectly struck at Mary's heart as well, who had to witness the death of her own Son (cf. John 19:25-27). As the holy priest Simeon had told her years before:

"Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign that is spoken against -- and a sword will pierce through your own soul also -- that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed" (Luke 2:34b-35).

Thus Jesus crushed the serpent directly and was directly struck by the serpent; Mary, through her cooperation in the incarnation and her witnessing the sufferings and death of her Son, indirectly crushed the serpent and was indirectly struck by the serpent.

This has long been recognized by Catholics. The footnotes provided a couple of hundred years ago by Bishop Challoner in his revision of the Douay state: "The sense [of these two readings] is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent's head."
IQB: Genesis 3:15 and Mary

3 more excellent articles on Gen. 3:15

Thanks for the reply
Billy

 

[Billyd]

"between thy seed and her seed" is seen here...

Galatians 4:28-29 KJVS
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

The Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge (TSK) has an interesting set of references related Genesis 3:13-15.

Thanks,
Billy

 

[valiant]

I realize that much of Genesis points ahead to Christ, but sometime I get hung up on a verse.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Adam Clarke sums this verse up this way. "Therefore the address is not to Adam and Eve, but to Eve alone; and it was in consequence of this purpose of God that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin; this, and this alone, is what is implied in the promise of the seed of the woman bruising the head of the serpent. "

This seems to be the consensus of most commentaries that I have looked at.

This summary seems to be quite a stretch. Maybe someone here can amplify on the verse.

The Bible is very straightforward, it is man who makes it complicated.

Eve would only see this as meaning that her children and children's children would kill snakes, and snakes would bite their heels. Continual war between man and snakes. The idea of Satan as a snake does not even appear in the Old Testament.

It may have inspired Gen 49.17, but only indirectly.

It was only in the intertestamental period or later that it was possibly applied to the Messiah and Satan. And it is noticeable that in the probably direct reference in Rom 16.20 it is GOD (not the Messiah) Who bruises Satan under His feet.

 

[thebesttrees]

"between thy seed and her seed" is seen here...

Galatians 4:28-29 KJVS
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

How interesting that the SEED OF SATAN is who is born after the flesh and the seed of Eve is he who is born of the spirit!

 

[notuptome]

Satan bruised the heel of Christ when Jesus was crucified on the cross. Satan thought he won. Jesus crushed the serpents head when He resurrected and defeated death and the grave.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DP]

"between thy seed and her seed" is seen here...

Galatians 4:28-29 KJVS
[28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

That's probably one of the best verses that sums up the meaning of Gen.3:15.

Those not born of The Spirit have ever been persecuting God's people throughout the history of this world. We are children of the day, they are children of darkness. Thus God's Word makes a clear distinction between two basic groups of peoples upon this earth, those who seek to serve God, and those who serve the devil either knowingly, or by default because of rejecting The Father and His Son.

 

[ukok102nak]

:hmm: and some say it was not satan but a
Real snake literally :think
:Genesis: 3. 13. And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
~:» KJV version
:rofl: did anyone notice that this verses is pointing unto
The serpent?
The serpernt was been curse
First that it will use its curse as the lird god speak "upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
:yawn: and there is a person who mention that no snake could eat dust? That's why he interpret it unto something which is satan devil or whatever he wants to call it :haha:
What if this verse wouod change his mind :dontknow:
:read:
Genesis: 2. 7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. -

:now: isn't it great that the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, 8)
:lol: can snakes eats human now for it is well known to all that humans
are made up of dust also
And also the animals . ... in the sense of reality we know that even animals have
Flesh and blood just as humans :happy:
meaning we have a same creator from the beggining . ...
Jeremiah: 27. 5. I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me.

:scarf: until next time :yawn:
:smoke: For we prepare to wait first . ... then we shall proceed again
after this . ... waitibg again . ... and again

*to be continuef

God bless us all always

:ty:

:smoke: And as we continue . ...
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Psalm: 74. 13. Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
14. Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.

``and then a question came asking
What are those creatures in the wilderness inhabiting the wilderness ``

:dontknow: anything about those creatures
As we recall there is something telling us about what is asking according to one
Of the prophets saying
:read:
Isaiah: 27. 1. In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

:scarf: And also there is something from which (what) is written . ...
:read:
Job: 41. 1. Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? 14. Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. 15. His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. 16. One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. 17. They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. 18. By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. 19. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. 20. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 21. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 22. In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. 23. The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. 24. His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. 25. When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. 26. The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. 27. He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. 28. The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. 29. Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. 30. Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. 31. He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. 32. He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. 33. Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. 34. He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

As it is written even from the birth of all beast . ... :run:
:read: Genesis: 1. 20. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 24. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. :sisid:

:now: about the this so called serpent . ...
Genesis: 3. 1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
~:» does anyone here observed the curse that it was put unto it?
:read:
Genesis: 3. 14. And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
:think: how the serpent used to move upon its belly although
God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good
8) WHAT A MOVE THAT SOMEONE OR SOMEBODY WAS BEEN FOOLED BY THOSE TEACHINGS THAT THE SERPENT WHO TRICK THE WOMAN IN THE GARDEN IS
SATAN OR THE DEVIL TSK TSK
`∞` although it is not the what we think it is but there is a possibility that it was use by the evil things within this reality . ...




:news: we put some space to show everyone that we are not closing this arguments because everyone is entitled unto each opinion for anyone who is
interested to show us
You may do so :salute:

:rofl: ok lets sing now for a moment . ...
Psalm: 104. 25. So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts. 26. There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein. 27. These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season. 28. That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good. 29. Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust. 30. Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. 31. The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works. 32. He looketh on the earth, and it trembleth: he toucheth the hills, and they smoke.

To be continue . ...

God bless us all always

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