where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven?

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where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven automatically?
Can anyone give me a verse?
Because if this is true then repentance is not needed for salvation.


Also the verse below (if i interpreted it correctly) goes completely against the belief that your present sins are forgiven.

James 5:10-20 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

(Notice it says " if someone among you", " My dear brothers and sisters" "is brought back" this indicates that hes talking about another believer because you can't "bring back" a non believer.)

If your sins are already forgiven, then why does the verse above say that bringing back someone who has gone astray will bring about the forgiveness of sins and save them from hell?

if your present sins are already forgiven then turning someone away from present sins shouldn't "bring about forgiveness of sins"

If this is a false doctrine let me know, because this is an honest question.
 
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MynameisDavid said:
where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven automatically?
Can anyone give me a verse? Because if this is true then repentance is not needed for salvation.
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Christ died for us while we were yet sinners, but we still need to repent. Jesus began His ministry with the call to repentance.
 
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So if repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sins, then sins are not automatically covered present and future? which would mean that it's false doctrine correct?
 
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MynameisDavid said:
where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven automatically?
Can anyone give me a verse?
Because if this is true then repentance is not needed for salvation.


Also the verse below (if i interpreted it correctly) goes completely against the belief that your present sins are forgiven.

James 5:10-20 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

(Notice it says " if someone among you", " My dear brothers and sisters" "is brought back" this indicates that hes talking about another believer because you can't "bring back" a non believer.)

If your sins are already forgiven, then why does the verse above say that bringing back someone who has gone astray will bring about the forgiveness of sins and save them from hell?

if your present sins are already forgiven then turning someone away from present sins shouldn't "bring about forgiveness of sins"

If this is a false doctrine let me know, because this is an honest question.
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Acts 10:43, Col. 1:14, Col. 2:13, Eph. 1:7, 1 John 2:12
 
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MynameisDavid said:
So if repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sins, then sins are not automatically covered present and future? which would mean that it's false doctrine correct?
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You may need to separate one sort of sin from another. It is the sin of rejecting God that is unforgivable and needs to be turned away from. All other sins have been forgiven. Repenting of one's rejection of God should naturally lead one to stop committing other gross sins against others, since love is the fulfilment of all the law and prophets :)
 
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MynameisDavid said:
So if repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sins, then sins are not automatically covered present and future? which would mean that it's false doctrine correct?
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You are correct here because in order for future sins to be automatically forgiven a number of scriptures have to be overlooked or cast out of our bibles in order to make it fit.

Romans 3:25 the Apostle Paul shows only past sins were forgiven, and some have taken this to try and say he is speaking before the cross. Problem is Paul is speaking on Jewish and Gentile believers alike in this passage.

2 Peter 1:9 the Apostle Peter is speaking on adding the fruit of the Spirit to our lives, and clearly mentions that those who do not add the fruit of the Spirit are short sighted and blind forgetting only their past sins have been forgiven.

1 John 1-2 the Apostle John is talking to believers here on how to continue walking in the Light in order to continue to be cleansed by the Lord's blood. This has been down played as a Gnostic book, or that it applies before one is saved. Again the problem we run into is the rest of the epistle John speaks to believers as well about our walk in the faith and how we can know if we have eternal life by our actions.

Apostle Paul also mentions in Colossians 1:22-23 that we will be presented blameless and without spot (remission of sins) "IF" we continue in the faith.

Also Apostle Paul in speaking to the Apostle Timothy in those epistles tells and warns Timothy he can become impure again do to sins......
 
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Magenta said:
You may need to separate one sort of sin from another. It is the sin of rejecting God that is unforgivable and needs to be turned away from. All other sins have been forgiven. Repenting of one's rejection of God should naturally lead one to stop committing other gross sins against others, since love is the fulfilment of all the law and prophets :)
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Not actually true Magenta as Luke 13:3 shows, as Jesus is talking to a man here and pointing out the different sinful actions of others and asks the man do you think these are worse sinners then these others ???

Then Jesus tells the man directly no, and that if he does not repent of his sins he will also perish !!!

Repentance applies to all sins...........
 
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MynameisDavid said:
where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven automatically?
Can anyone give me a verse?
Because if this is true then repentance is not needed for salvation.


Also the verse below (if i interpreted it correctly) goes completely against the belief that your present sins are forgiven.

James 5:10-20 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

(Notice it says " if someone among you", " My dear brothers and sisters" "is brought back" this indicates that hes talking about another believer because you can't "bring back" a non believer.)

If your sins are already forgiven, then why does the verse above say that bringing back someone who has gone astray will bring about the forgiveness of sins and save them from hell?

if your present sins are already forgiven then turning someone away from present sins shouldn't "bring about forgiveness of sins"

If this is a false doctrine let me know, because this is an honest question.
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Bring back means bringing someone back to the Light, to the Truth, to Jesus. When someone is not in the faith, their sins are not forgiven, but to have faith in Jesus means all your sins, past, present and future are forgiven, for we are washed in the Blood of Christ once and for all. To say otherwise is saying what Jesus did on the Cross was not good enough, that our sin is stronger than His saving grace. Thanks be to God that is not the case. The grace of God is irrevocable to a person who puts their faith in Jesus.
 
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KennethC said:
Not actually true Magenta as Luke 13:3 shows, as Jesus is talking to a man here and pointing out the different sinful actions of others and asks the man do you think these are worse sinners then these others ???

Then Jesus tells the man directly no, and that if he does not repent of his sins he will also perish !!!

Repentance applies to all sins...........
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And when you repent, all your sins are forgiven, past, present and future.
 
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We have Christ as the Mediator to the Father for our sins always. This is written and it is true.

-1Ti 2:5
 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The language shows He is the mediator of all our faults, past present and future as long as we remain in Christ, otherwise no man would be saved.
 
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KennethC said:
Not actually true Magenta as Luke 13:3 shows, as Jesus is talking to a man here and pointing out the different sinful actions of others and asks the man do you think these are worse sinners then these others ???

Then Jesus tells the man directly no, and that if he does not repent of his sins he will also perish !!!

Repentance applies to all sins...........
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I include repentance in the loving of others as the fulfillment of the law. When we accept Jesus' sacrifice on our behalf, we become holy and blameless and above reproach before Him :)
 
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Could anyone show in the bible the idea of present or future sin?

All I see in the bible is the idea of past sin.

You could think that you will commit future sin, but its not actual sin until its committed. Once its committed its past sin.

If I'm wrong about this could you show bible verses stating so.
 
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MynameisDavid said:
where in the bible does it say your present and future sins are forgiven automatically?
Can anyone give me a verse?
Because if this is true then repentance is not needed for salvation.


Also the verse below (if i interpreted it correctly) goes completely against the belief that your present sins are forgiven.

James 5:10-20 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.

(Notice it says " if someone among you", " My dear brothers and sisters" "is brought back" this indicates that hes talking about another believer because you can't "bring back" a non believer.)

If your sins are already forgiven, then why does the verse above say that bringing back someone who has gone astray will bring about the forgiveness of sins and save them from hell?

if your present sins are already forgiven then turning someone away from present sins shouldn't "bring about forgiveness of sins"

If this is a false doctrine let me know, because this is an honest question.
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If we were headed for Hell for sinning but we only get "cleaned-up".... to a particular point in time................... Then any sin committed after that has no one going for the cross for us again.

And, if you try to play the Catholic card, saying that a priest fixes you right up if you spill your guts to him, then you are still faced with the problem of dying without a priest around.

News flash, these sinners who got themselves ordained are not magicians. They are only men in black robes. Nothing more. When you die, having committed more sins after that "point in time", you are still stuck with those sins sending you to Hell...... UNLESS you have believed that Jesus' sacrifice saved you, once and for all.
 
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We must always bear in mind, that breaking even the slightest of laws is breaking all of the law. This is taught in the Word and it is true. What I truly love about this lesson is the admonishment contained in it, that being never to judge anyone to condemnation. Many believe they are better than others because their own sin is not apparently as grave, but this wonderful teaching shouts otherwise, and I truly am grateful for how I understand it. It keeps me from thinking I am better or worse than others in Christ..........we are all Members of HIs Holy Body, and we are all just as important as the other members. Most times being important is a matter of keeping quiet....really, it is. God bless all in Jesus Christ, and all others ttoo.......j
 
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When Christ died on the cross, ALL our sins were 2000 years in the future, He died for them.
Faith receives that gift.
 
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Willie-T said:
If we were headed for Hell for sinning but we only get "cleaned-up".... to a particular point in time................... Then any sin committed after that has no one going for the cross for us again.

And, if you try to play the Catholic card, saying that a priest fixes you right up if you spill your guts to him, then you are still faced with the problem of dying without a priest around.

News flash, these sinners who got themselves ordained are not magicians. They are only men in black robes. Nothing more. When you die, having committed more sins after that "point in time", you are still stuck with those sins sending you to Hell...... UNLESS you have believed that Jesus' sacrifice saved you, once and for all.
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I'll enlarge the lettering so everyone can see it:

AMEN ! ! ! !
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Christ died 2000 years ago. If ALL of our sin was not paid for. we are doomed to hell. God is not going to come back and die again.

Yes repentance is required. God is not judt going to give his gift of love away, He wants you to want it.. And he will not force it on you. Or give it to you if you want to try to get it your way and not his way.
 
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Utah said:
And when you repent, all your sins are forgiven, past, present and future.
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If that was true Paul, Peter, and John all 3 would not have warned believers on continuing to sin, and also what is to be done when one sins again.

Paul says we remain spotless only if we continue in faith, which is keeping with the sound doctrine teachings of the bible.

Peter speaks on adding the fruit of the Spirit and in the same passage, says those who do not but continue down the same path are shortsighted and blind because only past sins were forgiven.

John says we must confess our future sins to be forgiven of them.

I gave just a few passages in post #6 but there are even more about repentance and confession, and also the scriptures are clear on those who continue(practice) doing sins do not inherit the kingdom of God.



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I include repentance in the loving of others as the fulfillment of the law. When we accept Jesus' sacrifice on our behalf, we become holy and blameless and above reproach before Him :)
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The scriptures clearly state there is no condemnation to those who walk by the Spirit, and not be the flesh.

People try to do away with the added on portion of Romans 8:1, but Paul repeats himself and says the very same thing in the rest of this chapter.

Love does fulfill the law because love does no harm to others, meaning love will not lead us to transgress against another person. Love does not transgress therefore it establishes and upholds the spiritual aspect of the law, it does not void it.

Paul teaches this very clearly in Romans 3:31 and Romans 13:9-11 !!!
 
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MynameisDavid said:
So if repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sins, then sins are not automatically covered present and future? which would mean that it's false doctrine correct?
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Why do you separate repentance from faith?
We repent as we turn away from our way and (faith) turn to Christ. They can't be separated.
 
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When Christ died on the cross, ALL our sins were 2000 years in the future, He died for them.
Faith receives that gift.
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This is true but the thing is that some do not want to face is we still have to accept what He did for us on the cross to receive that remission by His blood.

We were not automatically forgiven before we received Christ as our Lord and Savior !!!
 
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