The Immaculate Conception Error

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“As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3: 10, 23

As I begin to debunk this erroneous doctrine of ‘the immaculate conception of Mary’, let me quickly submit that I’m not out for religious bashing. But rather, I’m out with a holy motive of love, to rescue some of our well-meaning, lovely brethren in the Lord. Who are inadvertently indoctrinated into this erroneous doctrine that is obviously very disastrous.

“The 8[SUP]th[/SUP] of December, 1854, Pope Pius IX was sitting on his throne; a triple crown of gold and diamonds was on his head: silk and damask- red and white vestments on his shoulders; five hundred mitred prelates were surrounding him; and more than fifty thousand people were at his feet in the incomparable St. Peter’s Church of Rome. After a few minutes of most solemn silence, a cardinal, dressed with his purple robe, left his seat, and gravely walked towards the pope, humbly prostrating himself at his feet, and said:

‘Holy Father, tell us if we can believe and teach that the Mother of God, the Holy Virgin Mary, was immaculate in her conception.’

The Supreme Pontiff answered: “I do not know; let us ask the light of the Holy Ghost.”
The cardinal withdrew; the Pope and the numberless multitude fell on their knees; and the harmonious choir sang the ‘Veni Creator Spiritus.’

The last note of the sacred hymn had hardly rolled under the vaults of the temple, when the same cardinal left his place, and again advanced towards the throne of the pontiff, prostrated himself at his feet, and said;

‘Holy Father, tell us if the Holy Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, was immaculate in her conception.’
The pope again answered: ‘I do not know; let us ask the light of the Holy Ghost.’

And again the ‘Veni Creator Spiritus’ was sung.

Again the eyes of the multitude followed the grave steps of the purple- robed cardinal for the third time to the throne of the successor of St. Peter, to ask again:

‘Holy Father, tell us if we can believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of God was immaculate.’
The pope, as if he had just received a direct communication from God, answered with a solemn voice:
‘Yes! We must believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary was immaculate in her conception… There is no salvation to those who do not believe this dogma!’

And, with a loud voice, the pope intoned the Te Deum; the bells of the three hundred churches of Rome rang; the cannons of the citadel were fired. The last act of the most ridiculous and sacrilegious comedy the world had ever seen, was over; the doors of heaven were forever shut against those who would refuse to believe the anti-scriptural doctrine that there is a daughter of Eve who has not inherited the sinful nature of Adam.

She was redeclared exempt when the God of Truth said, “There is none righteous; no, not one: for all have sinned!” (Rom. 3:10, 23).

No trace of this teaching is found in the first centuries of the Church.”

(50 Years in the “Church” of Rome, The Conversion of a Priest, by Charles Chiniquy, Chick publications, 1985, pp. 233-234 [c. 1886])

(As quoted in Rebecca Brown’s ‘Prepare For War’)

Dear brethren in the Lord, it is very clear that this doctrine of the immaculate conception of Mary, is unscriptural. The doctrine was enacted without consulting ‘The Book Of Truth’-The Holy Bible. And of course, the Holy Spirit does not speak against scriptural Truths.

We can’t afford to risk our salvation and faith on what man says. No matter his title, position or whatever. Like the Berea Fellows in the book of acts of the Apostle, when we receive an instruction, exhortation or doctrine from our teachers, we should be wise enough to compare them with scriptural truths (Acts 17:11).

Anybody can claim to have heard the Holy Spirit, but for us to be on the safest side, we must compare what we receive with the scriptures. I for one, I do not take everything I’m taught in Church, no matter who it is I received it from. If I compare, and it does not concur to scriptural truth, I discard it.

To this end, I often tell people that I listen to every sermon with filter in my ears. And that is including my present Pastor. Because I believe salvation is a personal race.

On the Day of Judgment, I can’t blame my failure on anyone but myself. Hence, The Lord Jesus said, we should be as wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove…

The scriptures admonishes us to worship God in spirit and Truth. We are commanded to walk in the Spirit. We’re are told that when the Holy Spirit comes, he’ll guide us into all truth. But particularly, Jesus says he will not speak of himself, but rather, he will take of mine, and show them to you. Jesus words are as entrenched in the word of God- the Bible.
Anything outside the written word of God, is definitely not from the Spirit of Jesus- The Holy Spirit.

To this end, the Apostle Paul says; anyone who preaches any other gospel, apart from the original gospel, let him be accursed—Gal 1:8.

Hence, to avoid the curse of God, we must confine ourselves to only scriptural truths.

It is my earnest prayer, that the Lord Jesus, will restructure your heart, and pull you out of this erroneous doctrine (if you’re involved) with this word in season in the Mighty Name of Jesus Christ!

Remain Blessed!

Emeke Odili
 
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BradC

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The immaculate conception is very easy to understand. Mary was a sinner not the mother of God. She was chsen among women and not above women. As a virgin she ovulated and her ovum was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, therefore the sin nature of Adam, which comes from the sperm of the man was not transferred by conception to the body of Jesus inside the womb of Mary. There was not spot or stain of sin transferred through conception. This did not make the virgin Mary any greater than any other woman, but she had to be a virgin. Mary later conceived other sons and daughters with her husband Joseph and none of these conceptions were immaculate.
 

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The immaculate conception is very easy to understand. Mary was a sinner not the mother of God. She was chsen among women and not above women. As a virgin she ovulated and her ovum was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, therefore the sin nature of Adam, which comes from the sperm of the man was not transferred by conception to the body of Jesus inside the womb of Mary. There was not spot or stain of sin transferred through conception. This did not make the virgin Mary any greater than any other woman, but she had to be a virgin. Mary later conceived other sons and daughters with her husband Joseph and none of these conceptions were immaculate.
The Roman Catholics proclaim Mary free from sin.
Their belief translates to Mary being sinless her entire life.​
 

Magenta

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In fact they will say Mary needed to be sinless to keep Christ sinless.
Because God can keep a mere mortal sin free, but not His own Son?
And if Mary needed to be sinless so that Jesus would be sinless,
then such sinlessless would have to stretch all the way back to Eve.
 
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So does immaculate conception only refer to Mary being without sin?

I always thought it just meant a virgin becoming pregnant.
 

Magenta

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So does immaculate conception only refer to Mary being without sin?
I always thought it just meant a virgin becoming pregnant.
It is one of the two dogmas that are proclaimed to be infallible by Rome (both concern Mary), meaning that every Roman Catholic is bound to accept it as being true. It is defined as the doctrine that God preserved the Virgin Mary from the taint of original sin from the moment she was conceived; it was defined as an infallible dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1854.
 
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shotgunner

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It is one of the two dogmas that are proclaimed to be infallible by Rome (both concern Mary), meaning that every Roman Catholic is bound to accept it as being true. It is defined as the doctrine that God preserved the Virgin Mary from the taint of original sin from the moment she was conceived; it was defined as an infallible dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1854.
Blows my mind all the stupid things people come up with. You would think something that important would be mentioned in the Bible.
 

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So does immaculate conception only refer to Mary being without sin?

I always thought it just meant a virgin becoming pregnant.
this term has to do with the One who was born free from sin :) because sin comes from the man not the women
 
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shotgunner

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this term has to do with the One who was born free from sin :) because sin comes from the man not the women
Jesus is without sin because he is the Word made flesh as John says, not because he was born without a natural sinful father.
 

Magenta

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Blows my mind all the stupid things people come up with. You would think something that important would be mentioned in the Bible.
Catholics defend it with their life's breath. They will deny Sola Scriptura saying it is not found in the Bible, and then defend the heresies concerning Mary despite the fact that no hint of them are to be found in Scripture. In fact, some of them actually defy the very clear teaching of Scripture, such as this one. They elevate Mary in many ways, far beyond what is plainly found in the revealed written Word of God. Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother, His brother, His sister, yet they call her the mother of humanity and the queen of heaven. Scripture explicitly states there is one intercessor between God and man. They pray to her for intercession, despite Jesus instructing us to pray to the Father. Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept: 1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ; 2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary; and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who brings them to the attention of her Son. If you are interested in any of their other false teachings, you may want to check out this site: http://www.bible.ca/catholic-doctrine.htm
 
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As a virgin she ovulated and her ovum was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, therefore the sin nature of Adam, which comes from the sperm of the man was not transferred by conception to the body of Jesus inside the womb of Mary.
The seed (sperm) comes from the man, right? The Holy Spirit placed the seed from mankind in Mary's womb. That's why Christ was made of the seed of David, according to the flesh. (see Romans 1:3) Hence Christ, as the son of man, was made like His brethren in all things. See Heb 2:17
 
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Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
 

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Jesus is without sin because he is the Word made flesh as John says, not because he was born without a natural sinful father.
actually it both because Jesus is fully man and Fully God the man Jesus was not born by the will of Man but of God therefore HE had no sin Of course Gods divine nature is without sin because HE is holy as the Godhead is amen. But the reason why you know that is because it has been revealed to us by HIS word :)
 
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As a virgin she ovulated and her ovum was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, therefore the sin nature of Adam, which comes from the sperm of the man was not transferred by conception to the body of Jesus inside the womb of Mary.
This just a modified version of the immaculate conception. It's a hybrid of Roman's teaching....
 
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Even if Christ wasn't of the seed of David, Mary could only pass to Christ what she herself had, i.e., a fallen nature.
 

CS1

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Yes, as God Christ only had the divine nature, but as man he assumed our fallen nature.
absolutely not; Jesus as "man" did not have a fallen nature. All Power was given to HIM . Jesus said no man takes my Life I lay it down Freely and have the Power to take it back again. he was Liken into fallin man but was not of the sinful nature .
 

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Even if Christ wasn't of the seed of David, Mary could only pass to Christ what she herself had, i.e., a fallen nature.
The problem with this is if Jesus had a fallin nature then HE was not without sin and was not perfect lamb without spot or blemish. That is not biblical nor in line with what the bible teaches .
 

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absolutely not; Jesus as "man" did not have a fallen nature. All Power was given to HIM . Jesus said no man takes my Life I lay it down Freely and have the Power to take it back again. he was Liken into fallin man but was not of the sinful nature .
What I find ironic is that Protestants criticize the RCC for Immaculate Conception of Mary, but they do the very same thing respective of who Christ is in his humanity.

The RCC adopted the theory of Original Sin at the Council of Trent in the mid 17th century. It was only later that they realized their mistake and instead of abandoning the theory, they created the Immaculate Conception theory.
Most, if not all Protestants, hold to the Original Sin theory as well. To overcome this error I have read all kinds of end-arounds that try to explain that Jesus did not have a sin nature which is the basis of Original Sin.

So, while some of you as Protestants castigate the RCC you do the very same thing as they did.