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And a dead faith can Not save. God saves us by giving to us a real, alive faith that has works, which will be good by following the moral laws of God.!
So far you're the only one able to answer that question.
All other are jumping through theological hoops and playing words games in an attempt at NOT answering the question.
And a dead faith can Not save. God saves us by giving to us a real, alive faith that has works, which will be good by following the moral laws of God.! .
If I do not obey the law I have no true faith therefore I cannot be saved. The individual then concentrates on observing the law to be righteous in Gods sight.
Satan is subtle, he is desperate for the christian to live under a law of righteousness. Link saving faith to observing the law and he has what he wants
Obedience to the law is not something we do for God. Rather it is something Christ has done and does for us, in us and through us.
Slaves to sin can't keep the law that is the nature of the carnal mind it cannot keep the law because the law is good and the carnal mind is sin.
True faith in Christ brings true freedom from sin. Its not so much about having to keep the law but rather keeping the law is the natural fruit of being freed from sin in Christ.
Its not about trying to keep the law but about allowing Christ to free you from sin. Those who are free from sin don't break the law.
Its simple lets use an example.
The law says have no gods before the one true God. But the carnal mind breaks this all the time in various and numerous ways. That is sin.
Jesus frees us from sin and so then the person who is free from sin or in this case from having gods before the one true God now by default obeys this law not because they try to keep it to be saved but rather because they are saved from sin/breaking the law.
Slaves to sin can't keep the law that is the nature of the carnal mind it cannot keep the law because the law is good and the carnal mind is sin.
True faith in Christ brings true freedom from sin. Its not so much about having to keep the law but rather keeping the law is the natural fruit of being freed from sin in Christ.
Its not about trying to keep the law but about allowing Christ to free you from sin. Those who are free from sin don't break the law.
Its simple lets use an example.
The law says have no gods before the one true God. But the carnal mind breaks this all the time in various and numerous ways. That is sin.
Jesus frees us from sin and so then the person who is free from sin or in this case from having gods before the one true God now by default obeys this law not because they try to keep it to be saved but rather because they are saved from sin/breaking the law.
To be free from sin means to fully obey the moral law on the inside. How many christians being honest, and not bearing false witness claim that? All too often when people speak of not committing sin in reality they speak of what men can see, not what they cannot see.
We must be humble enough as individuals to search our hearts before God and His revealed will and be honest and open before Him. But praise God He is able to free us totally from sin.
The only way to tell is by their fruit and even then it will not always be apparent. Good thing God is the Judge and not us.
We must be humble enough as individuals to search our hearts before God and His revealed will and be honest and open before Him. But praise God He is able to free us totally from sin.
We must be humble enough as individuals to search our hearts before God and His revealed will and be honest and open before Him. But praise God He is able to free us totally from sin.
The Pharisees of Jesus day were well educated and dressed well. They attended all of the synagoge meetings, they knew the literal words of the then scriptures inside out. They tithed down to their last mint dill and cumin. They did good deeds that everyone could see. They did good deeds that everyone could see. They stressed holy living and obedience to Gods laws. They would not have got drunk, used foul language, had affairs, nor smoked I imagine if smoking had then been invented
Yet Jesus said these same people were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean on the inside
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Agreed, that is why I said that it is not always apparent. However that being said the Pharisees also had fruit that showed that it was only an outward show. If they had been changed from within then they would not have to pretend and they would not also manifest the fruit of sin.
But knowing if others are sin free is not the point, its about searching ourselves.
But knowing if others are sin free is not the point, its about searching ourselves.
For example a Pharisee might not physically kill (however they did Jesus) but they still break the commandment to not murder as they were angry with Christ and his followers without a reason. They called gentiles useless and good for nothing.
as it is written:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall
Now this is not new teaching the law always taught these things but they had reduced it to the simplicity of Though shalt not murder, without seeing the deeper meaning that they should have seen in the law.
as it is written:
Psa 119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.
So it is today, it is hard to see fruit if we only look on the surface. but when we look deeper into the law the curtain is pulled back and the inner life is revealed. not always straight away but in time sin if it is there will show.
This is why Jesus said:
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruit will show, So by the narrow reading of the law the Pharisees seemed righteous, but to those who see the broadness of the law the fruit will manifest openly.
as it is written:
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall
Now this is not new teaching the law always taught these things but they had reduced it to the simplicity of Though shalt not murder, without seeing the deeper meaning that they should have seen in the law.
as it is written:
Psa 119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.
So it is today, it is hard to see fruit if we only look on the surface. but when we look deeper into the law the curtain is pulled back and the inner life is revealed. not always straight away but in time sin if it is there will show.
This is why Jesus said:
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
The fruit will show, So by the narrow reading of the law the Pharisees seemed righteous, but to those who see the broadness of the law the fruit will manifest openly.
Agreed, that is why I said that it is not always apparent. However that being said the Pharisees also had fruit that showed that it was only an outward show. If they had been changed from within then they would not have to pretend and they would not also manifest the fruit of sin.
But knowing if others are sin free is not the point, its about searching ourselves.
But knowing if others are sin free is not the point, its about searching ourselves.
The wickedness of the Pharisees was they had no love for the people. They crushed them with impossible demands, demands they themselves did not even try to follow. They gave the impression through word and outward deed they were extremely puous and holy people, virtually sin free and the people would have had much guilt, knowing they did not attain to what the Pharisees portrayed on the outside. The people would have imagined the inside of a Pharisees cup was the same ad the outside. The Pharisees sought the praise of men by appearing to be Godly and pious when they were not
The Pharisees were full of everything unclean for as Paul tells us when we hinge our hope of heaven on strict obedience to the law( or infer salvation hinges on obedience to the letter of the law, we simply become worse sinners and on the inside become totally corrupted, though on the outside we can appear righteous before men, and demand obedience to the law we ourselves fail to keep
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I think we are diverging in direction here. I am speaking of freedom from sin in Christ not the hypocrisy of the Pharisees which was the total opposite of freedom in Christ. They were slaves to sin and not free at all.
Obey the ten commandments, which is the same as saying, observe the law
But don't you think the same thing happens today? People who go to church act as the Pharisees did then? If we link obedience to the law to saving faith we infer we keep the law, and others will then base their hope of heaven on observing the law. It I subtle, but that's where it ends up. I have asked seventh day adventists, Catholics, pentecostals and others what a christian must do to attain heaven. In nearly every case I get the same response.
Obey the ten commandments, which is the same as saying, observe the law
Obey the ten commandments, which is the same as saying, observe the law
We are saved by grace through faith. This is true. But many use this to suggest that they can deliberately sin against God and still be fine.
Do we now not say we are saved by grace through faith because people get the wrong Idea? no of course not we just instruct them fully on what that means.
But in answer to your question Yes the same thing does happen today. But it is not so of everyone who teaches to obey the law.
In everything people can go the wrong way. That is why proper instruction should be given.
We are saved by grace through faith. This is true. But many use this to suggest that they can deliberately sin against God and still be fine.
Do we now not say we are saved by grace through faith because people get the wrong Idea? no of course not we just instruct them fully on what that means.
But in answer to your question Yes the same thing does happen today. But it is not so of everyone who teaches to obey the law.
We are saved by grace through faith. This is true. But many use this to suggest that they can deliberately sin against God and still be fine.
Do we now not say we are saved by grace through faith because people get the wrong Idea? no of course not we just instruct them fully on what that means.
But in answer to your question Yes the same thing does happen today. But it is not so of everyone who teaches to obey the law.
For we maintain a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law Rom3:28
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Just another thread to ATTACK my Lord and Saviors Character,integrity and virtue. Sickening.
A creature that has believed/trusted/ at a POINT in time in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is SAVED. His Grace is never dead. The creatures faith may fail or be dead....................the CREATORS grace never.never,never,never,never and did I say NEVER fails.
A dead faith.............loss of salvation, maintaining salvation,works for salvation......This is a true DEAD faith.
A believer who thinks James 2:17 is talking about eternal life or eternal salvation and loss of it or who never had it ............Is faith without works and is DEAD. Not loss of salvation or was never saved....but a LOSER believer.
A creature that has believed/trusted/ at a POINT in time in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation is SAVED. His Grace is never dead. The creatures faith may fail or be dead....................the CREATORS grace never.never,never,never,never and did I say NEVER fails.
A dead faith.............loss of salvation, maintaining salvation,works for salvation......This is a true DEAD faith.
A believer who thinks James 2:17 is talking about eternal life or eternal salvation and loss of it or who never had it ............Is faith without works and is DEAD. Not loss of salvation or was never saved....but a LOSER believer.
Faith IN GOD, is living. (faith alone) thus has power and does all kinds of works..
Faith is SELF is dead (works) And no faith at all is dead (no works) which in reality, is faith in self. Both licentiousness and legalism is based on pride. thats why they are both dead
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Exactly, and a faith without works is dead which begs the question, are we saved with a dead faith.
So far you're the only one able to answer that question.
All other are jumping through theological hoops and playing words games in an attempt at NOT answering the question.
So far you're the only one able to answer that question.
All other are jumping through theological hoops and playing words games in an attempt at NOT answering the question.
Of course no one is saved with a dead faith, Because a dead faiht is NO FAITH AT ALL..
There is no faith plus works, there is faith which produces works. That is where legalism, and grace interesect and are apposed to either. One (legalism) relys on both, one (grace) is empowered by one (Faith).
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To be free from sin means to fully obey the moral law on the inside. How many christians being honest, and not bearing false witness claim that? All too often when people speak of not committing sin in reality they speak of what men can see, not what they cannot see.
You have no sin, inside or out?