“The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him"

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Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; 34 and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

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Numbers 15:32 Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation; 34 and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. 35 Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

Your thoughts?
It shows the rigidity of the law... do it perfectly or pay the price.
 
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my thoughts? Thank God for Jesus Christ who delivered us from the curse of the law.
 
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It shows the rigidity of the law... do it perfectly or pay the price.
So, what you are saying is that the Jews chose to be under law and when they sinned the law, not Christ, was their judge and hence there was no mercy?
 
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So, what you are saying is that the Jews chose to be under law and when they sinned the law, not Christ, was their judge and hence there was no mercy?
No I'm saying the law can't be bent, if you don't keep the law 100% then you pay the price. But yes I do believe the Jews were under the law by choice because they could have chosen the way of faith like Joshua and Caleb did.
 

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My thoughts? If death won't stop you from sinning, what will?
God's mercy and grace will!
Punishment is the not antidote for sin, love is.
 
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No I'm saying the law can't be bent, if you don't keep the law 100% then you pay the price. But yes I do believe the Jews were under the law by choice because they could have chosen the way of faith like Joshua and Caleb did.

To be under law, as you stated, is to be under the demands of perfection. One failure brings the curse, right?

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law (salvation by one's performance under law) are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

We have two choices:

1] To be under grace

2] To be under law

Under grace when we sin (and we all fall short) we are not condemned. "There's now no condemnation to those who are in Christ." See Rom 8:1

Under law, if you sin, you die.

 
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Under law, if you sin, you die.

Therefore only the self-righteous would be ignorant enough to think they can make it to heaven by "the works of the law". But then again I too was ignorant concerning the spirituality of God's law. I too thought that if I was good enough I could gain heaven.
 
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21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
 
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First of all, thank you so much for displaying the verse and where it's found. I wish more thread starters would do this, because I don't have the entire bible memorized.

The physical laws in the Old Testament represented a spiritual meaning, so yeah, they must be exact. (I am so thankful I don't live in Old Testament times). The sabbath rest represents our rest in heaven. So can you imagine someone making it to heaven, judgement day is over, and still having them tempted, tried, and persecuted, just to see if they would pass the test that they already passed? God forbid! That would make God a liar- for He says never again will they hunger, thirst, be sun-scorched, grow old, etc. So if a physical act of not working on a sabbath day represented all that, and had to be true, God is not going to tolerate that any more than He would our persecution in heaven when all is said and done.
 
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It shows the rigidity of the law... do it perfectly or pay the price.

Except not really. David committed adultery and he wasn't stoned to death for it.

Apparently, the law does get bent for certain people in certain circumstances.
 
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Except not really. David committed adultery and he wasn't stoned to death for it.

Apparently, the law does get bent for certain people in certain circumstances.

David wasn't under the law.....He wasn't under the OC.
 
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Except not really. David committed adultery and he wasn't stoned to death for it.

Apparently, the law does get bent for certain people in certain circumstances.
Or possibly David loved God in his heart, but then committed grievous sin and was forgiven, whereas the man who gathered wood on the Sabbath did not in his heart love God

For those who in their heart loved God forgiveness was available, and they trusted in Gods unfailing love for them, not a righteousness of being good enough under the law, for David knew no true righteousness existed( psalms143:2)
 
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Or possibly David loved God in his heart, but then committed grievous sin and was forgiven, whereas the man who gathered wood on the Sabbath did not in his heart love God....

That last part is speculative. The law isn't in the business of forgiveness. It says "do this and live", but to the disobedient it says "cursed are all who continue not do everything listed in the book of the law."
 
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That last part is speculative. The law isn't in the business of forgiveness. It says "do this and live", but to the disobedient it says "cursed are all who continue not do everything listed in the book of the law."
You are right it is speculative
If you can speculate better than I as to why the man mentioned was stoned to death for picking up wood on the Sabbath, but David was forgiven for committing adultery and being responsible for an innocent man being killed, pleased do, I would love to read your speculation
 
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Under law, if you sin, you die.
Wow, what can I say? I wonder what Abraham, Moses, David and everybody before the crucifixion of Jesus Christ would have said with their no chance of making it to heaven :)

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

As for me I would rather believe what the Bible say than people's opinions. We are saved by faith, always was always will be...
 
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Except not really. David committed adultery and he wasn't stoned to death for it.

Apparently, the law does get bent for certain people in certain circumstances.
That's actually not true, David was not under the law because he was a priest just like we are.:)
 

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It shows the rigidity of the law... do it perfectly or pay the price.
I am so very thankful when Jesus was faced with a similar situation (woman caught in adultery) He told them that whoever was without sin cast the first stone.

Thank God for imparting Grace to mankind, and removing the "death curse" of the Law.
 

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That's actually not true, David was not under the law because he was a priest just like we are.:)
I would have to disagree, I would say David purposely put himself under the law and constantly praised God for his laws
 

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in fact from his own lips-Psalm 119 Blessed are those whose lives have integrity,
those who follow the teachings of the Lord.
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Blessed are those who obey his written instructions.
They wholeheartedly search for him.
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They do nothing wrong.
They follow his directions.
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You have commanded
that your guiding principles be carefully followed.
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I pray that my ways may become firmly established
so that I can obey your laws.
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Then I will never feel ashamed
when I study all your commandments.
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I will give thanks to you
as I learn your regulations, which are based on your righteousness.
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I will obey your laws.
Never abandon me.

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How can a young person keep his life pure?
He can do it by holding on to your word.
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I wholeheartedly searched for you.
Do not let me wander away from your commandments.
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I have treasured your promise in my heart
so that I may not sin against you.
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Thanks be to you, O Lord.
Teach me your laws.
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With my lips I have repeated
every regulation that comes from your mouth.
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I find joy in the way shown by your written instructions
more than I find joy in all kinds of riches.
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I want to reflect on your guiding principles
and study your ways.
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Your laws make me happy.
I never forget your word.