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Blain

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I fail to see how Peter was the first pope, if I am reading correctly he and the twelve were in the same authority along with Paul who was highly regarded as a man of God. I don't see Peter being exalted and viewed as more special than everyone else I see everyone working in unity giving everything for each other teaching and encouraging each other and always pointing to the father and to Jesus not Peter or any kind of pope
 

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Why is it that you recognize clearly that the pope is a fraud, positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between God and man, yet you have no problem looking to a pastor/reverend positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between Christ and man? Is anybody getting this yet?
Martin Luther, when exiting Rome, failed to drop the deeds of the Nicolaitans, clerical/laity distinction which Jesus hates. Rev.3

So so now we have thousands of little popes standing behind pulpits.
 
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Heb 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—I have come to do your will, my God.’” 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.


1 Tim. 2-For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all...

Heb. 7-For it is declared:“You are a priest forever,in the order of Melchizedek.”[SUP]a[/SUP]The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ 

Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.
 

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Why is it that you recognize clearly that the pope is a fraud, positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between God and man, yet you have no problem looking to a pastor/reverend positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between Christ and man? Is anybody getting this yet?
Martin Luther, when exiting Rome, failed to drop the deeds of the Nicolaitans, clerical/laity distinction which Jesus hates. Rev.3

So so now we have thousands of little popes standing behind pulpits.
Pastors are teachers they are not mediators between God and man
 
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kaylagrl

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I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy,
acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.


Ahh that says nothing about the OT priests and animal sacrifice. Jesus is now our high priest.He gave His body and His life.We do not sacrifice as they did in the OT. We have Christ and He is the only mediator between God and man. The only perfect one.
 
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kaylagrl

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Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Are you perfect? The Bible says if we say we have no sin,we lie.There is no one who has walked this earth that was perfect except Christ.
 

Blain

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Are you perfect? The Bible says if we say we have no sin,we lie.There is no one who has walked this earth that was perfect except Christ.
I don't think he was posting that to tell us we need to be perfect. I can easily see this scripture pointed to the pope, the pope is seen by many as the perfect man on earth he is literally worshiped in place of Jesus, I don't know this mans heart but simply by looking how this man is exalted it could easily be said that he views himself in this scripture
 
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Why is it that you recognize clearly that the pope is a fraud, positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between God and man, yet you have no problem looking to a pastor/reverend positioned in an upper hierarchical caste, a mediator between Christ and man? Is anybody getting this yet?
Martin Luther, when exiting Rome, failed to drop the deeds of the Nicolaitans, clerical/laity distinction which Jesus hates. Rev.3

So so now we have thousands of little popes standing behind pulpits.

I dont confess to my pastor.He cant forgive my sin.He doesn't stand between me and God. He simply teaches the Word and leads the church.
 
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kaylagrl

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I don't think he was posting that to tell us we need to be perfect. I can easily see this scripture pointed to the pope, the pope is seen by many as the perfect man on earth he is literally worshiped in place of Jesus, I don't know this mans heart but simply by looking how this man is exalted it could easily be said that he views himself in this scripture

If a man,the pope,can be perfect we all can be perfect. Right? He's a man just like everyone else.Christ is perfect because He is both God and man. He took the form of man.No one human has ever been perfect.David was called a man "after Gods own heart" yet we know how he sinned.
 

Blain

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If a man,the pope,can be perfect we all can be perfect. Right? He's a man just like everyone else.Christ is perfect because He is both God and man. He took the form of man.No one human has ever been perfect.David was called a man "after Gods own heart" yet we know how he sinned.
I don't listen to the pope and I wouldn't know how unless youtube has all his words but I would listen and see how much he points to God not himself
 

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Ahh that says nothing about the OT priests and animal sacrifice. Jesus is now our high priest.He gave His body and His life.We do not sacrifice as they did in the OT. We have Christ and He is the only mediator between God and man. The only perfect one.
you are right, nothing about ot here, but this is a [N.T.] command

Romans 12:1 (KJV)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,

that ye present your bodies [a living sacrifice],

holy, acceptable unto God, which is [your] reasonable service.



And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
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Are you perfect? The Bible says if we say we have no sin,we lie.There is no one who has walked this earth that was perfect except Christ.
I am far from perfict, or without sin, but if we sin , we have a mediator in Heaven
 
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kaylagrl

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you are right, nothing about ot here, but this is a [N.T.] command

Romans 12:1 (KJV)

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,

that ye present your bodies [a living sacrifice],

holy, acceptable unto God, which is [your] reasonable service.



And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
But Christ is our high priest. He alone saves us from sin.
 
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Chair or seat of Peter, the 1st Pope
Total heretical garbage. Peter learned the essence of serving, not being served; to wash someone's feet rather than being pampered; he was murdered upside down so as not to be equated with Jesus. He would never have sat in such a gaudy, pompous, egotistical chair.
 
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Some of this pompous posturing is almost enough to turn your stomach.
Almost? You're a better man than I am, Brother. My stomach turned at first site of this thread.
 

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Total heretical garbage. Peter learned the essence of serving, not being served; to wash someone's feet rather than being pampered; he was murdered upside down so as not to be equated with Jesus. He would never have sat in such a gaudy, pompous, egotistical chair.
lets not get these two mixedup


-Primacy of Simon Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter

It is to be distinguished from the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Roman primacy,
whose link with the primacy of the Apostle Peter[ is disputed and is none biblical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primac...Bishop_of_Rome

my guess is he was refering to the second one, his seat here
 
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SPOT THE DIFFERENCES!
And Jesus said unto him, “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man hath nowhere to lay His head.” Matt 8:20 Why was Christ poor?

Because Christ thought not, lived not for Himself. There was never any self-seeking in His life. He lived as servant of all. He denied self.


Does the Pope live like His Master, or is "His Holiness" really endeavoring to bring glory to himself?

 
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And Jesus said unto him, “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man hath nowhere to lay His head.” Matt 8:20 Why was Christ poor?

Because Christ thought not, lived not for Himself. There was never any self-seeking in His life. He lived as servant of all. He denied self.


Does the Pope live like His Master, or is "His Holiness" really endeavoring to bring glory to himself?


Without question,he is bringing glory to himself.
 
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Did you know through out history many popes went to war just to be a pope of the Catholic Church? In fact many a pope murdered his opponent just to be pope of the Catholic Church!

Paul was the Apostle in charge of the group, not Peter.

2 Peter 3:15-16
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

The Catholics have twisted the Scriptures.