"Holy Father" - The Vicar of Christ
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What does "Vicar" mean?
"Substitute; anyone acting 'in the person of'" [Wikipedia]
So it means Christ's substitute over His church.
"Substitute; anyone acting 'in the person of'" [Wikipedia]
So it means Christ's substitute over His church.
Nope! Christ is our high priest. The OT high priest is done away with,the sacrificing of animals for sins.Christ is our high priest,the channel between God and man. He is the only perfect man that ever lived. We do not need anyone between us and God but Christ. Period.
What does "Vicar" mean?
"Substitute; anyone acting 'in the person of'" [Wikipedia]
So it means Christ's substitute over His church.
"Substitute; anyone acting 'in the person of'" [Wikipedia]
So it means Christ's substitute over His church.
one thing he is not is the vicar of Christ on earth. Christ doesn't need a vicar.
certainly not one who is a show off and follows in a line of murderers
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Heb 10:1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. 5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; 6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—I have come to do your will, my God.’” 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Vicar of Christ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ
a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ"
person acting as parish priest in place of Christ.(like the pope)
now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops,more specifically to the Bishop of Rome .
Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:
Who Was The Real First Pope
The whole population of Samaria gave earnest heed to Simon.
All those in Samaria, from the least to the greatest, believed him!
In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.
This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus.
The surname “magus” reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.
this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.
The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony
This account actually reveals the beginning of the great false church described
in the book of Revelation as “the great whore” and “Mystery, Babylon the Great,
the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”!
Simon Magus was a foundational role in the history of that church!
Satan used this man to begin building that church. It all began right here in bible.
Christ raised up His Church in a.d. 31—and Simon Magus immediately
came on the scene in a.d. 33! That is not difficult to prove.
Even Catholics will tell you today that their church began in a.d. 33!
Wherever God’s Church is, you will always find a counterfeit religion.
It has committed many violent crimes—especially against God’s true Church
(e.g. Revelation 17:1-6).
-Primacy of Simon Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter
Primacy of Simon Peter, also known as Petrine primacy (from the Latin Petrus for "Peter"),
is the position of preeminence that is attributed to the Apostle Peter among the Twelve Apostles.
It is to be distinguished from the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Roman primacy,
whose link with the primacy of the Apostle Peter[ is disputed and is none biblical]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
The Roman Catholic Church considers [but not true] him to be the first Pope,
ordained by Jesus in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18.
-The Pontifex Maximus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus
The Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff" or "greatest bridge-builder")
was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome.
This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion
The word "pontifex" later became a term used for Christian bishops,[4]
including the Bishop of Rome,
the title of "Pontifex Maximus" was applied within the Roman Catholic Church
to the Pope as its chief bishop
-Nicolaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism
Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.
In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for "hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate" and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".
Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istian_martyrs
The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.
The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.
A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."
This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy of priests and clergy
lording over the flock.
The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church a
hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters and ministers,
let him be anathema."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ
a vicar is of "earthly representative of God or Christ"
person acting as parish priest in place of Christ.(like the pope)
now used in Catholicism to refer to the bishops,more specifically to the Bishop of Rome .
Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:
Who Was The Real First Pope
The whole population of Samaria gave earnest heed to Simon.
All those in Samaria, from the least to the greatest, believed him!
In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.
This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus.
The surname “magus” reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.
this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.
The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony
This account actually reveals the beginning of the great false church described
in the book of Revelation as “the great whore” and “Mystery, Babylon the Great,
the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”!
Simon Magus was a foundational role in the history of that church!
Satan used this man to begin building that church. It all began right here in bible.
Christ raised up His Church in a.d. 31—and Simon Magus immediately
came on the scene in a.d. 33! That is not difficult to prove.
Even Catholics will tell you today that their church began in a.d. 33!
Wherever God’s Church is, you will always find a counterfeit religion.
It has committed many violent crimes—especially against God’s true Church
(e.g. Revelation 17:1-6).
-Primacy of Simon Peter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_Simon_Peter
Primacy of Simon Peter, also known as Petrine primacy (from the Latin Petrus for "Peter"),
is the position of preeminence that is attributed to the Apostle Peter among the Twelve Apostles.
It is to be distinguished from the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, also known as the Roman primacy,
whose link with the primacy of the Apostle Peter[ is disputed and is none biblical]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter
The Roman Catholic Church considers [but not true] him to be the first Pope,
ordained by Jesus in the "Rock of My Church" dialogue in Matthew 16:18.
-The Pontifex Maximus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus
The Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff" or "greatest bridge-builder")
was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome.
This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion
The word "pontifex" later became a term used for Christian bishops,[4]
including the Bishop of Rome,
the title of "Pontifex Maximus" was applied within the Roman Catholic Church
to the Pope as its chief bishop
-Nicolaism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism
Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.
In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for "hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate" and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".
Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...istian_martyrs
The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.
The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.
A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."
This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy of priests and clergy
lording over the flock.
The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church a
hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters and ministers,
let him be anathema."
17For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings,
and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
19And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,
20Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant
of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not
have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
