The Law is Established by Faith.....Romans

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God gave the words of the Bible to those credited with having penned each book of the Word.
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So God gave Paul the words to write in his epistles?

Then why would anyone not have the same conviction of those words as the rest of Gods word?

Gods words to Paul were to explain the new covenant to the world.
Those who give less importance to Gods words that explain the new covenant reject the understanding God wants them to have, of the covenant his son died to usher in
 
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You are misusing that important teaching. If you understood what it meant then you would not be quoting it in reply to that post. Nay, you could teach a Jewish man about the Messiah though.
Well your just wrong...the scriptures means exactly what its says.
 
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Do you believe Jesus Christ? If we believe Jesus Christ we believe what HE teaches first and foremost.

How do you suppose the law is established by faith?
Faith in what? No, faith in Who?

If we truly have faith in Jesus Christ the law is established, and it is forever.

How does this work? Yo do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize after what our Lord lved through and did for each of us to know He is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of th eworld, thus no laws on sacrifice for sin need be studied. beyond their prophetic wisdom.

We all know Jesus Christ came to forgive and not to condemn, also He tells us to emply mercy in the law, and always towards others, so any law to execute others for breaking the law is against His teaching.........

Jesus Christ is the Head and teh Cornerstone of the Temple while we are lving (lively ) stones of it, therefore laws regarding Temple operations and procedure are no longer possible to observe except for their prophetic wisdom and value.

We are now priests to the Most High God with Jesus Christ as the High priest.

No law concerning living physically in Israel can possibly be followed <<<---Who's claiming otherwise?! since there is no Israel now that is a theocracy with God as its King; only the Kingdom to come, and those who are cov erted to citizenry are that Kingdom and the Israel of God is yet to come. Argue this all you wish, but New Jerusalem is the capital of the Israel of God...If yo know enough about what Israel means, you will understand why.

Any law without mercy, without justice, and/or without faith in Jessu Christ is taught us by Jesus Chrsit to be dubious, and perhaps futile to study in any seriousness.

Therefore the only laws that remain are those not listed in general above, laws on good conduct. These laws are established, while the others are no longer feasible.

All of the law is established in this sense by faith, faith in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

If yo still need to argue, then you do not see for the darkness. Seek the light of Jesus Christ before disputing whether or not the law is dead. Hear His teaching, amen.
Your post seems to be claiming that we're not under law but which Christians are claiming we ARE under law?
 

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Therefore the only laws that remain are those not listed in general above, laws on good conduct. These laws are established, while the others are no longer feasible.
very true! imo, another way of saying that is Walk by the Spirit, and you won't fulfill the lusts of the sinful nature...

so, imo, it's not about performing this or that law... rather, Walking by the Spirit.
 

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very true! imo, another way of saying that is Walk by the Spirit, and you won't fulfill the lusts of the sinful nature...

so, imo, it's not about performing this or that law... rather, Walking by the Spirit.
Thasss, right!!!

Galatians 5:16-18 KJVS
[16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. [17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
 
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All who accuse children of obedience as being under the law. Unhappily, there are many who do such.

Your post seems to be claiming that we're not under law but which Christians are claiming we ARE under law?
 

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These words are true, but what are all those other words of teaching in the Epistles and the Gospels about? My post but touches on those other words, for they all amount to one Gospel as given by Jesus Christ, and the more we know the more we are regarded by the Father as good stewards of His teaching......we must not stop on just a few of the ords, that is, unless we are already perfect and understand all, and that is only Jesus Christ when He was in the flesh, never man in the flesh.

very true! imo, another way of saying that is Walk by the Spirit, and you won't fulfill the lusts of the sinful nature...

so, imo, it's not about performing this or that law... rather, Walking by the Spirit.
 
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Paul wrote in regard to Christs teaching/ commandments- with the words God gave him:
Carry each others burdens( love them) and so fulfill the law of Christ gal6:2

Tragically many who go to church today believe the way of obedience I to look to the literal letter of commands, rather than as people have shown from scripture by following after the holy spirit. For the holy spirit will not lead you into conflict with the law placed within you
 

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These words are true, but what are all those other words of teaching in the Epistles and the Gospels about? My post but touches on those other words, for they all amount to one Gospel as given by Jesus Christ, and the more we know the more we are regarded by the Father as good stewards of His teaching......we must not stop on just a few of the ords, that is, unless we are already perfect and understand all, and that is only Jesus Christ when He was in the flesh, never man in the flesh.
imo, all those other words are simply other ways of stating "walk by the spirit"... or one could phrase it as the two great commandments that Jesus talked about... which Paul also talks about in the same part as walking by the spirit...
 

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Paul wrote in regard to Christs teaching/ commandments- with the words God gave him:
Carry each others burdens( love them) and so fulfill the law of Christ gal6:2
yep! and just earlier in Galatians, Paul wrote

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
 
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When we have faith in the promises that go with Gods statutes, laws, and commandments, we act on that faith. Step by step into eternity. How can one tell another about their relationship with God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. i serve God in the way He has chosen me to serve Him. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve, Matthew 4:10. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon, Matthew 6:24.
 
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Right their in Matthew 4:10 Jesus Himself is quoting to satan it is written. Written where? In the 10 commandments of course.
 

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When we have faith in the promises that go with Gods statutes, laws, and commandments, we act on that faith. Step by step into eternity. How can one tell another about their relationship with God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. i serve God in the way He has chosen me to serve Him. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve, Matthew 4:10. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon, Matthew 6:24.
Faith in Gods statutes, laws and commandments require your performance and obedience in order to obtain them.

Your performance and understanding of Gods statutes, laws and commandments are extremely poor, if they exist at all.

That is the WHOLE reason for the Lord Jesus Christ. Whom you set aside when you have "faith" in your own performance of the law.

Galatians 3:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


Paul was not afraid to tell people that they were relating to God in a way that was setting up their own condemnation.

Why should we be afraid to tell people the same thing? We shouldn't. I'm not.

No man can serve two masters. Choose the Lord Jesus Christ by faith or choose the law which is not of faith.
 
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When we have faith in the promises that go with Gods statutes, laws, and commandments, we act on that faith. Step by step into eternity. How can one tell another about their relationship with God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. i serve God in the way He has chosen me to serve Him. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve, Matthew 4:10. No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon, Matthew 6:24.
Well Christians are those who live by faith in the Person of Jesus Christ, not by faith in some perceived promises that go with God's statutes, laws, and commandments. I am a Christian.
 
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Well Christians are those who live by faith in the Person of Jesus Christ, not by faith in some perceived promises that go with God's statutes, laws, and commandments. I am a Christian.
i'm a believer in Christ and what He is doing in my life.
Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 1Timothy 4:12. And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) Acts 5:14
 

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Faith in Jesus Christ is believing Him. Believing Him is an active assignment to all who believe Him; that is, our faith will be manifested by our actions to all who see us, helping to draw many to Him.

Faith is action, not lip service. Believing is the product of faith.
 

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Faith in Jesus Christ is believing Him. Believing Him is an active assignment to all who believe Him; that is, our faith will be manifested by our actions to all who see us, helping to draw many to Him.

Faith is action, not lip service. Believing is the product of faith.
What does that action look like?

Does it look like Judaism? Rest on saturdays and not eating ham? Observance of ancient festivals?

Faith in Christ causes us to observe the OT and try and perform it? That seems weird to me. Like Abraham was looking forward to Christs Day but that would then cause him to look back to Moses... Really weird. Why not just say that Abraham looked forward to Moses Day...?
 
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Good point. I never heard of a "Mosesian".. Thank God for the Law of Moses as it made me run to Christ!

Well Christians are those who live by faith in the Person of Jesus Christ, not by faith in some perceived promises that go with God's statutes, laws, and commandments. I am a Christian.
 

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When we have faith in the promises that go with Gods statutes, laws, and commandments, we act on that faith.
I think what Paul is trying to say in those Galatians passages is the Christians access, receive those promises by bearing one another's burdens, loving their neighbor...
 
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i agree with pretty much everything you said but i believe that with knowing the true spiritual law of God , the spirit he puts within us causes us to keep his laws.

Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:
Psa 78:3 Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
Psa 78:4 We will not hide them from their children, shewing to the generation to come the praises of the LORD, and his strength, and his wonderful works that he hath done.
Psa 78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
Psa 78:6 That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children:
Psa 78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments: