The Law is Established by Faith.....Romans

[JaumeJ]

Do you believe Jesus Christ? If we believe Jesus Christ we believe what HE teaches first and foremost.

How do you suppose the law is established by faith?
Faith in what? No, faith in Who?

If we truly have faith in Jesus Christ the law is established, and it is forever.

How does this work? Yo do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize after what our Lord lved through and did for each of us to know He is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of th eworld, thus no laws on sacrifice for sin need be studied. beyond their prophetic wisdom.

We all know Jesus Christ came to forgive and not to condemn, also He tells us to emply mercy in the law, and always towards others, so any law to execute others for breaking the law is against His teaching.........

Jesus Christ is the Head and teh Cornerstone of the Temple while we are lving (lively ) stones of it, therefore laws regarding Temple operations and procedure are no longer possible to observe except for their prophetic wisdom and value.

We are now priests to the Most High God with Jesus Christ as the High priest.

No law concerning living physically in Israel can possibly be followed since there is no Israel now that is a theocracy with God as its King; only the Kingdom to come, and those who are cov erted to citizenry are that Kingdom and the Israel of God is yet to come. Argue this all you wish, but New Jerusalem is the capital of the Israel of God...If yo know enough about what Israel means, you will understand why.

Any law without mercy, without justice, and/or without faith in Jessu Christ is taught us by Jesus Chrsit to be dubious, and perhaps futile to study in any seriousness.

Therefore the only laws that remain are those not listed in general above, laws on good conduct. These laws are established, while the others are no longer feasible.

All of the law is established in this sense by faith, faith in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

If yo still need to argue, then you do not see for the darkness. Seek the light of Jesus Christ before disputing whether or not the law is dead. Hear His teaching, amen.

 

[Blain]

much of what you said is true but concerning there being no Israel I understand you are saying that the true Israel is yet to come a new earth and new heaven correct? But Israel itself is still here and God has always been very protective of Israel, He even makes this promise that he would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curses Israel

 

[JaumeJ]

Ask yourself if there is an Israel with God as Redeemer and King?

The Israel on earth has almost as many cults or denominations of Biblical understanding as does the Christian community. This Israel is but a staging ground for the end time prophesies to be fulfilled. This by no means is teaching we are to forsake our Hebrew brethren, for they are beloved always. Think about it; Israel on earth now has the capital of Hagar, while the Jerusalem we look to is the New Jerusalem of God, to be brought down at His time, adorned as a Bride etc.

I by no means say anything against the Israel of this age, but I do look to the coming of our City and land. All who feel they are strangers on this earth and in this age have this feeling from time to time, yearning for their true home with God.

 

[Mitspa]

Funny you try to teach the bible without quoting the bible? The law is upheld for its purpose....

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[james57]

Do you believe Jesus Christ? If we believe Jesus Christ we believe what HE teaches first and foremost.

How do you suppose the law is established by faith?
Faith in what? No, faith in Who?

If we truly have faith in Jesus Christ the law is established, and it is forever.

How does this work? Yo do not need to be a rocket scientist to realize after what our Lord lved through and did for each of us to know He is the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of th eworld, thus no laws on sacrifice for sin need be studied. beyond their prophetic wisdom.

We all know Jesus Christ came to forgive and not to condemn, also He tells us to emply mercy in the law, and always towards others, so any law to execute others for breaking the law is against His teaching.........

Jesus Christ is the Head and teh Cornerstone of the Temple while we are lving (lively ) stones of it, therefore laws regarding Temple operations and procedure are no longer possible to observe except for their prophetic wisdom and value.

We are now priests to the Most High God with Jesus Christ as the High priest.

No law concerning living physically in Israel can possibly be followed since there is no Israel now that is a theocracy with God as its King; only the Kingdom to come, and those who are cov erted to citizenry are that Kingdom and the Israel of God is yet to come. Argue this all you wish, but New Jerusalem is the capital of the Israel of God...If yo know enough about what Israel means, you will understand why.

Any law without mercy, without justice, and/or without faith in Jessu Christ is taught us by Jesus Chrsit to be dubious, and perhaps futile to study in any seriousness.

Therefore the only laws that remain are those not listed in general above, laws on good conduct. These laws are established, while the others are no longer feasible.

All of the law is established in this sense by faith, faith in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

If yo still need to argue, then you do not see for the darkness. Seek the light of Jesus Christ before disputing whether or not the law is dead. Hear His teaching, amen.

The laws that remain are those placed on your heart and mind by the Holy Spirit at the point of conversion.

That law is established by dying to a law of righteousness, and living by a righteousness of faith in Christ


Do we then nullify the law by this faith(a righteousness of faith in Christ not obedience to the law) Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31

To understand the above you must understand Paul's core Gospel message, you have to be willing to go beyond the Gospels to be instructed

 

[JaumeJ]

What is funny is how many quote the Bible without the Holy Spirit, leaving messages that kill rather than share the life in Jesus Christ. Why must my words be exact quotes when I have been reading the Word repeatedly for decades. If I say mercy must be employed when understanding the lw with understanding myself, why must I use quotes of the KJV which most do not like or understand today. Jesus teaches us that the important points of the law were left out by the Pharisees in His time on earth, those being mercy, faith and justice. If I repeat His teaching with understanding, this is funny to you? Tha tis very odd. I prefer to share in paraphrases because of the Holy Spirit....if you want exact quotes, read teh Bible only. Do not seek understanding from me or anyone else. I believe we are discussing here the Bible as given each of us to understand.

 

[Grandpa]

What exactly is produced by faith???

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Galatians 5:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Faith in Christ is what produces this Fruit of the Spirit.

This Fruit, namely Love, is what establishes Gods Law.

What faith produces is Love. Love establishes and fulfills Gods Law.


You can't look to the letter of the law to try and establish it. The letter only condemns. Lean not unto your own understanding...

If you want to be perfected, if you want to establish Love you must look to Christ. Without Him you can do nothing...

 

[Grandpa]

There is no reason to separate the Law into moral and sacrificial.

It is all established by faith.

The more you study the sacrificial system the more you will understand what the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus means for us.

Then you will understand the statement 'Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world'.

Then you will understand that we will overcome, by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

If the blood of bulls and goats covered the sin of ancient Israel imagine the Power of the Blood of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of GOD.

 

[Mitspa]

What is funny is how many quote the Bible without the Holy Spirit, leaving messages that kill rather than share the life in Jesus Christ. Why must my words be exact quotes when I have been reading the Word repeatedly for decades. If I say mercy must be employed when understanding the lw with understanding myself, why must I use quotes of the KJV which most do not like or understand today. Jesus teaches us that the important points of the law were left out by the Pharisees in His time on earth, those being mercy, faith and justice. If I repeat His teaching with understanding, this is funny to you? Tha tis very odd. I prefer to share in paraphrases because of the Holy Spirit....if you want exact quotes, read teh Bible only. Do not seek understanding from me or anyone else. I believe we are discussing here the Bible as given each of us to understand.

You do understand the Holy Spirit wrote the bible to explain the truth...when you have to leave the evident truth of scripture to make a point? I doubt that's the Holy Spirit? In fact I know its not.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anything I post regarding the Word is based on the understanding I hav e of the Word.

God gave the words of the Bible to those credited with having penned each book of the Word.

The Holy Spirit gives understanding to all who seek truth in earnest. He was given to all by Jesus Christ after He ascended to the righthand side of the Father.

No one in these threads who shares understanding from reading the Word is departing from the Word to make a point. This is a veiled accusation that what is posted is of the person posting and not derived from prayerful study of th Word with meditation.

Please express some of your love and understanding in sharing and mutual edification.. No one nere is required nor requested to understand what I understand, but I do request they weigh what is shared, for there is no intent of deception.

All glory goes to Jesus Christ, our Redeemer, and our King, amen.

 

[biblicalsandy]

I just watched a video about this on 119 Ministries..."Don't be Under the Law!" They talk, and show scripture to back what they say. Love that ministry!
[video]https://youtu.be/wcplHZ6bFlE[/video]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I just watched a video about this on 119 Ministries..."Don't be Under the Law!" They talk, and show scripture to back what they say. Love that ministry!
[video]https://youtu.be/wcplHZ6bFlE[/video]

119 ministries. Is there worst teaching in the world?

 

[Yonah]

amazing how some can speak against teaching yet show absolutely no scripture to show why....

 

[Brother_Don]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[Blain]

Guys there is no rule that says he cannot speak about the things of God without quoting scripture. Some ppl speak their hearts instead of posting scripture and some of these ppl's words align with scripture not actually being scripture. There are also those who quote all kinds of scripture without ever understanding the scriptures they posted but they believe that posting these scriptures makes them right.

At least he isn't misusing the word by posting it just to be right or just to make his words more authentic

 

[loveme1]

Funny you try to teach the bible without quoting the bible? The law is upheld for its purpose....

Ro 3:19 ¶ Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

You are misusing that important teaching. If you understood what it meant then you would not be quoting it in reply to that post. Nay, you could teach a Jewish man about the Messiah though.

 

[james57]

You are misusing that important teaching. If you understood what it meant then you would not be quoting it in reply to that post. Nay, you could teach a Jewish man about the Messiah though.

You could use those scriptures to teach people of grace who have been to church for many years. I speak from personal experience

 

[crossnote]

If yo still need to argue, then you do not see for the darkness. Seek the light of Jesus Christ before disputing whether or not the law is dead. Hear His teaching, amen.

You really know how to pompously bait an issue.

Our faith in Christ lifts and exalts the Law to the perfection it deserves...not due to our obedience but due to HIS PERFECT OBEDIENCE.
By His grace we are a work in progress, thank you.

 

[crossnote]

What is funny is how many quote the Bible without the Holy Spirit, leaving messages that kill rather than share the life in Jesus Christ. Why must my words be exact quotes when I have been reading the Word repeatedly for decades. If I say mercy must be employed when understanding the lw with understanding myself, why must I use quotes of the KJV which most do not like or understand today. Jesus teaches us that the important points of the law were left out by the Pharisees in His time on earth, those being mercy, faith and justice. If I repeat His teaching with understanding, this is funny to you? Tha tis very odd. I prefer to share in paraphrases because of the Holy Spirit....if you want exact quotes, read teh Bible only. Do not seek understanding from me or anyone else. I believe we are discussing here the Bible as given each of us to understand.

Jesus often said, "It is written" before quoting Scripture and I would say He had a tad bit more understanding of it than you.

 

[crossnote]

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

And it is a good thing Paul went on...

Rom 3:19-23 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. (20) For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (21) But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— (22) the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: (23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,