Disobedience must be cast down.

[Yet]

2Cor.10:2 .....some which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh(pride, self serving).

vs. 4 the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (driven by self ambition) but mighty through God (His truth exemplified by power) to the pulling down of strongholds (lies and deception. Carnal self interests)

vs.5 casting down (for they are in upper positions) imaginations (gr. logismos: arguments and reasonings that twist the word of God for fun and profit) and every high thing (reasoning) that exalts itself against the (biblical) knowledge of God, and bringing (by teaching His truth) into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

vs.7 ....if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this (through) again that as he is Christ's even so we are Christ's.

Ch.11:12-15 But what I do (preach the truth) , that I do that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion (to teach falsely, denounce us) that now they glory (in their self interests) they may (repent) and be found even as we.

For such are false prophets (that profit) deceitful (Christian ministry) workers, transforming themselves (by fleshly works) into the apostles of Christ ( for filthy lucre and esteemed upper positions).
And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the (Christian) ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works (lifestyles and twisted teachings).

Now Paul is not talking about JW's or Mormons or Muslims or satanists. He's talking about Christian ministers, so called, charlatans. Redeemed individuals mainly, a few unredeemed, that had a choice to make. Be a ruling king or be a giving servant. Follow in Christ's steps or follow in Diotrephes steps. See: 3John.
Note how I point to scripture. A novel concept wouldn't you say?

 

[Blain]

Yet I know you don't respond to me anymore and maybe you have me on ignore but I do have a question for you, would you rather us get rid of the pastor position?

 

[Yet]

Yet I know you don't respond to me anymore and maybe you have me on ignore but I do have a question for you, would you rather us get rid of the pastor position?

The single exalted salaried executive pastor? Not if you can verify it by the word of God. Is that really asking to much? To follow God's holy writ. What's so terrible about that my friend? Be free, be blessed...always!

 

[Blain]

The single exalted salaried executive pastor? Not if you can verify it by the word of God. Is that really asking to much? To follow God's holy writ. What's so terrible about that my friend? Be free, be blessed...always!

ok so if we get rid of the pastor then who will teach the church? Like how would that work exactly? I cannot say that a lot of pastors are doing the best but if we take them away then who will teach ppl?

 

[oldthennew]

yet,

we truly understand your points in your postings, and the message that lays upon your heart,
for it is written, 'Many shall come in My name, saying I am Christ, or Jesus is Lord, and shall deceive many...

your steadfastness and zeal, we greatly appreciate, for to step-out of our comfort zones and to admit
that we have been taken-in by those whom we loved and trusted, this is a monumental wake-up call.....

for my wife and myself, the scripture that you quoted about 'casting-down imaginations and every
high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, that 'hits home', for that is what we work on
continually.....for if we can set our mind in order and bring our every thought into the captivity of Christ,
then our daily walk becomes so much easier, 'for if I master the mind, the flesh can follow'......

 

[royalscot]

if we only know in part. what make you think , by becoming a curse , what was jesus setting us free from.

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.Galatians 3


29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3


2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3

 

[Stonemason]

2Cor.10:2 .....some which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh(pride, self serving).

vs. 4 the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (driven by self ambition) but mighty through God (His truth exemplified by power) to the pulling down of strongholds (lies and deception. Carnal self interests)

vs.5 casting down (for they are in upper positions) imaginations (gr. logismos: arguments and reasonings that twist the word of God for fun and profit) and every high thing (reasoning) that exalts itself against the (biblical) knowledge of God, and bringing (by teaching His truth) into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

vs.7 ....if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this (through) again that as he is Christ's even so we are Christ's.

Ch.11:12-15 But what I do (preach the truth) , that I do that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion (to teach falsely, denounce us) that now they glory (in their self interests) they may (repent) and be found even as we.

For such are false prophets (that profit) deceitful (Christian ministry) workers, transforming themselves (by fleshly works) into the apostles of Christ ( for filthy lucre and esteemed upper positions).
And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the (Christian) ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works (lifestyles and twisted teachings).

Now Paul is not talking about JW's or Mormons or Muslims or satanists. He's talking about Christian ministers, so called, charlatans. Redeemed individuals mainly, a few unredeemed, that had a choice to make. Be a ruling king or be a giving servant. Follow in Christ's steps or follow in Diotrephes steps. See: 3John.
Note how I point to scripture. A novel concept wouldn't you say?

Are you saying "all ministers are bad" or are you saying "some ministers are doing it wrong" or...

...because I'm 100% certain 2 Corinthians 10, Paul is discussing his own ministry, no less defending it. It's a sort of contrast to demonstrate, when he visits the Corinthian church, he does so in faith in Christ, and further there should be no question. It might be important to consider context that, implied in his works to this church, when last he visited there was some disagreement, which led to a thought of "stress" were he to visit again. 2 Corinthians 11-13 is also along this same line, reassuring and expressing genuine concern.

So we're to understand, "some thought Paul was doing it wrong", and when we consider his words "inspired by God", we know he was not doing it wrong.

 

[Blain]

if we only know in part. what make you think , by becoming a curse , what was jesus setting us free from.

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith."12 But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them."13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us---for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"---14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.Galatians 3


29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3


2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?Galatians 3

I don't think this thread is about Law and if you are wanting to discuss it then I suggesting starting a thread or go to an existing one because derailing a persons thread is impolite

 

[crossnote]

This obsession with certain pastor's power and income strikes me as envious.
If I see a pastor making an exorbitant amount of income or drawing inordinate amount of attention to himself, I simply don't go there or support such a one.
But to go on a crusade against such, over and over, strikes me as one having envy or one being simply unbalanced and I'm sure you are not the latter.

 

[royalscot]

I don't think this thread is about Law and if you are wanting to discuss it then I suggesting starting a thread or go to an existing one because derailing a persons thread is impolite

how did i derail, when did my post have anything to do with law. it asks, what has god and jesus already done, not what man thinks should be done.

 

[crossnote]

2Cor.10:2 .....some which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh(pride, self serving).

vs. 4 the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (driven by self ambition) but mighty through God (His truth exemplified by power) to the pulling down of strongholds (lies and deception. Carnal self interests)

vs.5 casting down (for they are in upper positions) imaginations (gr. logismos: arguments and reasonings that twist the word of God for fun and profit) and every high thing (reasoning) that exalts itself against the (biblical) knowledge of God, and bringing (by teaching His truth) into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

vs.7 ....if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this (through) again that as he is Christ's even so we are Christ's.

Ch.11:12-15 But what I do (preach the truth) , that I do that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion (to teach falsely, denounce us) that now they glory (in their self interests) they may (repent) and be found even as we.

For such are false prophets (that profit) deceitful (Christian ministry) workers, transforming themselves (by fleshly works) into the apostles of Christ ( for filthy lucre and esteemed upper positions).
And no marvel, for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the (Christian) ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works (lifestyles and twisted teachings).

Now Paul is not talking about JW's or Mormons or Muslims or satanists. He's talking about Christian ministers, so called, charlatans. Redeemed individuals mainly, a few unredeemed, that had a choice to make. Be a ruling king or be a giving servant. Follow in Christ's steps or follow in Diotrephes steps. See: 3John.
Note how I point to scripture. A novel concept wouldn't you say?

This obsession with certain pastor's power and income strikes me as envious.
If I see a pastor making an exorbitant amount of income or drawing inordinate amount of attention to himself, I simply don't go there or support such a one.
But to go on a crusade against such, over and over, strikes me as one having envy or one being simply unbalanced and I'm sure you are not the latter.

(there, fixed it)

 

[crossnote]

how did i derail, when did my post have anything to do with law. it asks, what has god and jesus already done, not what man thinks should be done.

You didn't derail it, you are just on the wrong thread

 

[Blain]

how did i derail, when did my post have anything to do with law. it asks, what has god and jesus already done, not what man thinks should be done.

? your entire post about the law did you not know what you posted?

 

[royalscot]

You didn't derail it, you are just on the wrong thread

so there is a correct thread and a wrong thread. must remember that when asked,to explain why, all fall short of the glory etc.

 

[royalscot]

? your entire post about the law did you not know what you posted?

in your opinion, its about law, in my opinion, its about having faith in a god.

 

[crossnote]

so there is a correct thread and a wrong thread. must remember that when asked,to explain why, all fall short of the glory etc.

This thread has to do with pastors and their alleged abuses, your posts are out in left field, are you feeling ok?

 

[PeterJens]

2Cor.10:2 .....some which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh(pride, self serving).


Now Paul is not talking about JW's or Mormons or Muslims or satanists. He's talking about Christian ministers, so called, charlatans. Redeemed individuals mainly, a few unredeemed, that had a choice to make. Be a ruling king or be a giving servant. Follow in Christ's steps or follow in Diotrephes steps. See: 3John.

You are falling for the same problem some pastors fall into. They are pointers to the truth, able to highlight issues as the Lord leads them. I have been under some pastors who were pointing to what they wanted and where lost as to why the church did not follow. All the men who I know went down this path went off the rails.

It has taken me a long time to realise Gods grace works through these situations, and overcomes. Nothing can change the Lords will and how He works through those called into His kingdom. No pastor is truly the lead, the people often get the leaders they deserve. We are called to be faithful to the Lords anointed, and to bear with the Lords timing. So often the fruit has to ripen for its true source to be understood, and doing otherwise confuses the issues greatly.

 

[slave]

Is your purpose to pose our attention on the qualifications of a Pastor? That which is found in 1 Tim. 3:1-7; and Titus 1:5-9? Or is it you are here to take the headship from Christ's rule over His own church to denounce false teachers on your own grounds? He has also described HIS in Scripture! The Shepard's you show distain for in your spirit of text is not hidden from those of His Spirit, it is plain to see. Yes, we use Scripture, it is not a novel concept it is a absolute one. But we also know half-truths can start in scripture as well. Are you telling God the way He should go, then, or are you humbly praying for God to show you His way in this? Remember to let God have all of your plans for Him, He can do more with it than you can.

One thing I have always noticed about my walk with God, when the will of God crosses the will of man, somebody has to die. Jesus Christ built the church. Matt. 16:18. Jesus saved the Church. Eph. 5:23-27. Jesus Christ bought the Church with His blood. Acts 20:28. Theres a few novelties, as you put it. What makes the other verses suggest to you you have a right to attack?!

 

[breno785au]

This obsession with certain pastor's power and income strikes me as envious.
If I see a pastor making an exorbitant amount of income or drawing inordinate amount of attention to himself, I simply don't go there or support such a one.
But to go on a crusade against such, over and over, strikes me as one having envy or one being simply unbalanced and I'm sure you are not the latter.

Well, that is the definition of envy as I discovered this morning whilst studying love in not envious. Envy is also active and aggressive to diminish the good in another, by definition. But first comes the torment of anothers blessings.

 

[royalscot]

This thread has to do with pastors and their alleged abuses, your posts are out in left field, are you feeling ok?

alleged abuses , is speculation. so your saying, lets gossip, for the sake of speculation, against facts. are you feeling ok.