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I agree with the hell part. Hell usually refers to the grave. I think hell is a translation for Gehenna somewhere. Some of you bible scholars help me out here.
Satan is not in a fiery hell somewhere sticking folks in the caboose with a pitch fork. He's on earth. 'Cast down to the earth'.
There is a third heaven beyond our atmosphere and beyond outer space....another dimension I presume. A parallel universe it seems.
We'll not reign with Christ in heaven but on earth in His renovated kingdom of righteousness. I'm sue I'm missing some points, not a few!
Satan is not in a fiery hell somewhere sticking folks in the caboose with a pitch fork. He's on earth. 'Cast down to the earth'.
There is a third heaven beyond our atmosphere and beyond outer space....another dimension I presume. A parallel universe it seems.
We'll not reign with Christ in heaven but on earth in His renovated kingdom of righteousness. I'm sue I'm missing some points, not a few!
Hell is the grave. It gets thrown into the lake of fire 
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Actually no that isn't what he is doing, he either is doing a kind of experiment on how we would react to such a statement or he is wanting to cause war in the forums. I know there is hell because I have been there before it is an actual place I have never been to heaven but if hell exists then so does heaven
B
I do not deny heaven, I said we do not go to heaven if we die, there is a difference, I am not trying to cause a havoc but if sometimes if need one why not. Plus a few have gotten hold of the 'hell thing' It is not a place we go to. Scripture puts it as a lake of fire and even that is subject to the second death, as pointed out b Magenta.
But please say more if you think it warrants it.
Thank you for your input so far
But please say more if you think it warrants it.
Thank you for your input so far
There is a Hell, its just called the Lake of Fire by God.
Revelation 20:10-15
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Lake of Fire is where Satan and his Demons will spend Eternity. Also those who rejected God and whose name was not written in the Book of Life will spend Eternity in.
There is no way out of the Lake of Fire and brimstone. Everybody who is in the Lake of Fire will be tormented forever and ever, never ending, never getting a "get out of jail" free card. Once there you are then forever!
Revelation 20:10-15
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
The Lake of Fire is where Satan and his Demons will spend Eternity. Also those who rejected God and whose name was not written in the Book of Life will spend Eternity in.
There is no way out of the Lake of Fire and brimstone. Everybody who is in the Lake of Fire will be tormented forever and ever, never ending, never getting a "get out of jail" free card. Once there you are then forever!
B
Jesus points out to the Sadducee's who do not believe in the resurrection about a beggar and a rich man, the gulf is too wide to cross from there to here or from here to there so I doubt you have actually been there. Saying that you may well have been in some very nasty situations, but you are not alone in this. The hell I am deluding to is the one with satan prodding Hitler with a pitch fork or even what is described as purgatory in Dante's Inferno.
Yes I am trying to prompt us into action, action of belief, and responsibility for that belief.
Yes I am trying to prompt us into action, action of belief, and responsibility for that belief.
Too many people seem to be taken in by the lies of Satan to believe that a merciful just and loving God could or would torture for an eternity those who refuse His offer of life through the propitiatory sacrifice of His Son, Jesus Christ. Those who refuse Him are destroyed in the second death, and Scripture bears this out over and over again in a multitude places.
Here is a good page on it all (I am not Christadelphian)
http://www.bereanchristadelphian.com/FirstPrn/hell.htm
Here is a good page on it all
(I am not Christadelphian)http://www.bereanchristadelphian.com/FirstPrn/hell.htm
A
(I'm making unscriptured statements since there's no apparent concern for quoting text to prove ones statements).
That's odd because the Bible states that heaven is where God resides, and Jesus is there with all saints who've died and been taken there.
That's odd, the Bible states that when he died he went to the lowest part of the earth.. that he descended and then ascended.
I wouldn't say that satan is ruling supreme in hell. Jesus has the keys to death, hell and the grave. To me that means that Jesus was in hell. We know for sure (by Biblical text) that he was buried in a tomb, not a 6ft grave.
It seems that you expect some lively responses.
That's odd because the Bible states that heaven is where God resides, and Jesus is there with all saints who've died and been taken there.
That's odd, the Bible states that when he died he went to the lowest part of the earth.. that he descended and then ascended.
I wouldn't say that satan is ruling supreme in hell. Jesus has the keys to death, hell and the grave. To me that means that Jesus was in hell. We know for sure (by Biblical text) that he was buried in a tomb, not a 6ft grave.
It seems that you expect some lively responses.
He was certainly in the grave... and He rose from death, thereby demonstrating His mastery over it. All life is found in Him... "in Him we live and move and have our being." Eternal life is granted through Him only. For you (God has) granted Him (Jesus Christ) authority over all people that He (Jesus Christ) might give eternal life to all those you (God) have given Him (Jesus Christ).
So Jesus lied?
Lu 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
And.
Mr 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Don't know what kind of "Christian" you believe yourself to be but I'm going to be with Jesus and that will be heaven for me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Lu 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
And.
Mr 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Jesus said I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Don't know what kind of "Christian" you believe yourself to be but I'm going to be with Jesus and that will be heaven for me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Greetings bikerchaz,
First of all, there are three individual words translated as "Hell" in the new testament, which are as follows:
Tartaroo/Tartarus: This word is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 when describing those angels, whom God put in chains of darkness until judgment, which are most likely the same angels that Jude 6 is referring to. These angels spoken of are most likely those angels, the son's of God, mentioned in Gen.6:1 who took human women as wives, defiling themselves, who brought forth giants and whom Enoch also refers to in great detail.
Hades: The "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the unrighteous (deceased), which is synonymous with the Hebrew "Sheol." This place is located under the earth and is the same place where that rich man went, with Abraham and Lazarus being on the other side separated by that great chasm. This was the place where all of the OT saints went up until Jesus removed them after his resurrection. Now Paul says regarding the spirit/soul of the righteous at the time of death, that to be absent from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord. However, regarding the unrighteous, those who do not belong to Christ, Hades is where they are taken to and will remain until the end of the thousand years where they will all be resurrected out to be judged at the great throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). By the way, Satan is not prodding anyone with a pitch fork or otherwise, for Hades, just like the Lake of fire, is a place of torment in flame created by God and Satan does not reside in Hades/Sheol.
Lake of Fire: Also called "the second death" is the final place of torment after the great white throne judgment which was created for Satan and his angels. Consequently, anyone who is not following Christ is following Satan, whether they realize it or not. In opposition to Hades, which is a temporary place of punishment in flame beneath the earth, the Lake of fire is eternal punishment and its location is never revealed in scripture.
Purgatory: Is found no where in scripture, but is a false teaching created by Roman Catholicism. Supposedly, even though a person has been saved by Christ, all Catholics must go to Purgatory first so that they can be refined in the fire for any sins that were they were not absolved of by a priest while alive on earth. However regarding this, scripture says that Christ paid the entire penalty for our sins and therefore, rescued the faithful from the wrath of God and condemning judgment, once and for all. As previously stated, believers who die in Christ, their spirits/souls depart from their bodies and go immediately to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Cor.5:6-8, Phil.1:23).
First of all, there are three individual words translated as "Hell" in the new testament, which are as follows:
Tartaroo/Tartarus: This word is used only once in 2 Peter 2:4 when describing those angels, whom God put in chains of darkness until judgment, which are most likely the same angels that Jude 6 is referring to. These angels spoken of are most likely those angels, the son's of God, mentioned in Gen.6:1 who took human women as wives, defiling themselves, who brought forth giants and whom Enoch also refers to in great detail.
Hades: The "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the unrighteous (deceased), which is synonymous with the Hebrew "Sheol." This place is located under the earth and is the same place where that rich man went, with Abraham and Lazarus being on the other side separated by that great chasm. This was the place where all of the OT saints went up until Jesus removed them after his resurrection. Now Paul says regarding the spirit/soul of the righteous at the time of death, that to be absent from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord. However, regarding the unrighteous, those who do not belong to Christ, Hades is where they are taken to and will remain until the end of the thousand years where they will all be resurrected out to be judged at the great throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). By the way, Satan is not prodding anyone with a pitch fork or otherwise, for Hades, just like the Lake of fire, is a place of torment in flame created by God and Satan does not reside in Hades/Sheol.
Lake of Fire: Also called "the second death" is the final place of torment after the great white throne judgment which was created for Satan and his angels. Consequently, anyone who is not following Christ is following Satan, whether they realize it or not. In opposition to Hades, which is a temporary place of punishment in flame beneath the earth, the Lake of fire is eternal punishment and its location is never revealed in scripture.
Purgatory: Is found no where in scripture, but is a false teaching created by Roman Catholicism. Supposedly, even though a person has been saved by Christ, all Catholics must go to Purgatory first so that they can be refined in the fire for any sins that were they were not absolved of by a priest while alive on earth. However regarding this, scripture says that Christ paid the entire penalty for our sins and therefore, rescued the faithful from the wrath of God and condemning judgment, once and for all. As previously stated, believers who die in Christ, their spirits/souls depart from their bodies and go immediately to be in the presence of the Lord (2 Cor.5:6-8, Phil.1:23).