Tower of Babel / Life's Monuments

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Miri

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Hi, have just been reading about the Tower of Babel, Gen 11 and the
commentator had the following to say. I thought it was a good reminder,
especially with the New Year fast approaching.


We build monuments to great moments and great people.
“Lest we forget” is etched on the bronze plates of more
than one statue. But monuments are more than just
memory aids; in building them we want, above all, to
glorify something. We want to honor a person or idealize
an event.

Shortly after the Flood, God made a covenant (or agreement)
with Noah and his descendants. But soon the people
forgot God, his goodness, his deliverance, his judgment,
and his promise. And they became impressed with themselves,
so much so that they decided to erect a monument
to themselves. They built their tower to glorify their greatness;
it became, instead, a memorial to their (and our) greatest
foolishness—human arrogance.
We can learn several lessons in this passage:
(1) God is good and merciful to us.
(2) God is greater than we are.
(3) All humans are connected by sin.

The people in this story built the Tower of Babel for the
whole world to see (Genesis 11:3-4). This tower
was most likely a ziggurat, a common structure in
Babylonia at the time. Usually built as temples, ziggurats
looked like pyramids with steps or ramps leading up the
sides. Standing as high as three hundred feet and often
just as wide, a ziggurat would stand out as the focal
point of a city.

Today, people may not build statues, temples, or pyramids,
but they still erect monuments (achievements, expensive
clothes, big houses, fancy cars, important jobs) to call
attention to themselves. When used to give personal
identity and self-worth, these otherwise worthy pursuits
take God’s place. God gives us freedom to develop
in many areas, but not the freedom to replace him.
As you read, check out the attitudes of the builders in the
story, and consider any “towers” that you may be building.
Tear down anything that stands in God’s place.
 
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Tintin

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#2
Not bad, not bad at all. Just one qualm. Babylonia came after the city and tower of Babel. But yes, the tower most probably was a ziggurat.
 
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Miri

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#3
If I'm honest I'm not too sure what a ziggurat is, I thought it was one of these :p


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crossnote

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It 's interesting the similarity between a ziggurat and a pyramid suggesting the two may have been built in proximate time periods...

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Miri

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#5
Wow imagine how big the base would have to be to try to build a tower
high enough to reach the sky - no chance :)
 

breno785au

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A good read :)
I especially like the end bit that says God gives us the freedom to develop but not the freedom to replace Him, except He does give us that freedom to replace Him..but with consequences... I'd say I especially like it because I have been studying and learning and developing my skills to earn income in a new career that I'm very passionate about and to eventually move on from what I've been doing for the past 10 years. At the beginning I struggled spiritually with thoughts and feelings like, "Your not grateful for what you have so you want to leave warehousing." to "Is God with me in this?" And over time as I pushed through He has shown me that He is in various ways to the point now that its no longer an issue. And now, even yesterday when I get breakthrough and find I do and think things that I believe are exceptional in my new chosen career, I automatically finding myself giving thanks to Him for His strength, wisdom and the opportunity in doing what I'm doing. I love showing Him what I've done, I like asking Him what He thinks, though admittedly I don't do it all the time. But He certainly does allow us to develop in areas that we are passionate about and we certainly can include Him in it!

Sorry if its a bit off topic but I thought all this when I saw that sentence lol. I hope someone finds it encouraging.
 
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Miri

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A good read :)
I especially like the end bit that says God gives us the freedom to develop but not the freedom to replace Him, except He does give us that freedom to replace Him..but with consequences... I'd say I especially like it because I have been studying and learning and developing my skills to earn income in a new career that I'm very passionate about and to eventually move on from what I've been doing for the past 10 years. At the beginning I struggled spiritually with thoughts and feelings like, "Your not grateful for what you have so you want to leave warehousing." to "Is God with me in this?" And over time as I pushed through He has shown me that He is in various ways to the point now that its no longer an issue. And now, even yesterday when I get breakthrough and find I do and think things that I believe are exceptional in my new chosen career, I automatically finding myself giving thanks to Him for His strength, wisdom and the opportunity in doing what I'm doing. I love showing Him what I've done, I like asking Him what He thinks, though admittedly I don't do it all the time. But He certainly does allow us to develop in areas that we are passionate about and we certainly can include Him in it!

Sorry if its a bit off topic but I thought all this when I saw that sentence lol. I hope someone finds it encouraging.

I know exactly what you mean, I was thinking along the same lines as I read it.
Its so easy to focus on the thou shalls and thou shall nots, that we can often
forget God wants us to develop good life skills, talents, good working practises and
in effect, become good stewards of all the gifts and knowledge he has put into
each one of us. :)
 

breno785au

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I know exactly what you mean, I was thinking along the same lines as I read it.
Its so easy to focus on the thou shalls and thou shall nots, that we can often
forget God wants us to develop good life skills, talents, good working practises and
in effect, become good stewards of all the gifts and knowledge he has put into
each one of us. :)
Amen, that's really good. I never heard a, "Son, this is my will for you." But I encounter His acceptance as I move. And I think the difference is, building yourself up for your own glory, like they did with the tower or do we do it to glorify Him? And I can say truly, with me keeping my motive in check over the past couple years regarding this, though I don't fully know how too, I want whatever my hands do to glorify Him and His goodness towards us \o/

Actually, I've always had this idea of leaving a scripture in a comment in the websites code that I build so that in the future if another web developer sees my work, they get a scripture haha
 
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Tintin

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It 's interesting the similarity between a ziggurat and a pyramid suggesting the two may have been built in proximate time periods...

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Absolutely, making a Name for ourselves began at Babel and it's been happening all around the world ever since. As for pyramids, biblical creationists put the Great Pyramid as being built approximentally around the time of Abram. The Tower of Babel occurred 300 or so years before that and not everyone would have dispersed to the four 'corners' of the world all at once. It would probably have been a series of migrations.
 
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nimrod was going to kill who or challenge who,who would have thought , (how can you explain different lingo s in the world. )

so why did god bring punishment ,he did not need, to come down to nimrods level.( he hits the ozone, he meet death,nimrod etc) so you see a tower , why did you not see, what god did. ie how many books or films have gaps in the plot. etc.

we also know, the higher you go, an aqua lung would help. etc

so was the story recording a tower, or gods intervention.
 
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jaybird88

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if the tower was a ziggurat, why would that be so provoking to our Lord? if nimrod was a rebeller of the Lord, like the bible suggest, how would a ziggurat benefit his rebellion?
 
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if the tower was a ziggurat, why would that be so provoking to our Lord? if nimrod was a rebeller of the Lord, like the bible suggest, how would a ziggurat benefit his rebellion?
The tower most likely was a ziggurat and the answer why it would be so provoking to our Lord is mentioned in the story of the tower of Babel in Genesis. They were building up a tower to get to heaven trying to rely on their good works to get there. God put a stop to it because salvation is only through God and not man. Trying to build a tower to heaven and use it to show their greatness and not God's greatness is going against God. As for the other question, I do not know the answer but probably someone else does. God bless.
 
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jaybird88

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The tower most likely was a ziggurat and the answer why it would be so provoking to our Lord is mentioned in the story of the tower of Babel in Genesis. They were building up a tower to get to heaven trying to rely on their good works to get there. God put a stop to it because salvation is only through God and not man. Trying to build a tower to heaven and use it to show their greatness and not God's greatness is going against God. As for the other question, I do not know the answer but probably someone else does. God bless.
i dont see any mention of "good works" as a reason they built it. all i see is they did it to make a name for themselves.
but many have made names for themselves in the history of mankind, did our Lord strike them all down for doing it?

“Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves"

however, if they were wanting to make a tower, that connects earth and heavens, to make a name for themselves not on earth but in heaven. that would be interesting.
 
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Kaycie

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if the tower was a ziggurat, why would that be so provoking to our Lord? if nimrod was a rebeller of the Lord, like the bible suggest, how would a ziggurat benefit his rebellion?
At that time God's order was for mankind to be fruitful and fill the earth with people. They were to spread out, but Nimrod and his people decided to go against God and stay in one place- to build a city and make a name for themselves. By building a tower that could reach God was to show that he could be as high as God, if not higher- precisely why satan fell from heaven.
 

crossnote

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We seem to be building a tower to glorify our greatness in modern times.
Mathematics is the common language and unifier while computer technology is the tower.
Much of man's hope and trust is being funneled towards that tower.
 
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Hi, have just been reading about the Tower of Babel, Gen 11 and the
commentator had the following to say. I thought it was a good reminder,
especially with the New Year fast approaching.


We build monuments to great moments and great people.
“Lest we forget” is etched on the bronze plates of more
than one statue. But monuments are more than just
memory aids; in building them we want, above all, to
glorify something. We want to honor a person or idealize
an event.

Shortly after the Flood, God made a covenant (or agreement)
with Noah and his descendants. But soon the people
forgot God, his goodness, his deliverance, his judgment,
and his promise. And they became impressed with themselves,
so much so that they decided to erect a monument
to themselves. They built their tower to glorify their greatness;
it became, instead, a memorial to their (and our) greatest
foolishness—human arrogance.
We can learn several lessons in this passage:
(1) God is good and merciful to us.
(2) God is greater than we are.
(3) All humans are connected by sin.

The people in this story built the Tower of Babel for the
whole world to see (Genesis 11:3-4). This tower
was most likely a ziggurat, a common structure in
Babylonia at the time. Usually built as temples, ziggurats
looked like pyramids with steps or ramps leading up the
sides. Standing as high as three hundred feet and often
just as wide, a ziggurat would stand out as the focal
point of a city.

Today, people may not build statues, temples, or pyramids,
but they still erect monuments (achievements, expensive
clothes, big houses, fancy cars, important jobs) to call
attention to themselves. When used to give personal
identity and self-worth, these otherwise worthy pursuits
take God’s place. God gives us freedom to develop
in many areas, but not the freedom to replace him.
As you read, check out the attitudes of the builders in the
story, and consider any “towers” that you may be building.
Tear down anything that stands in God’s place.
We still build Towers of Babel. Worse yet, I'm proud of us for doing it. Nothing has changed.
 
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Miri

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Yes you are right, people like to build great status symbols of all
different shapes and sizes.

I wonder though if there was something more to the Tower of Babel.
They wanted to build a great city and tower to make a name for themselves.

Genesis 11:4-5 AMP
[4] And they said, Come, let us build us a city and a tower whose top reaches
into the sky, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered over
the whole earth. [5] And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower
which the sons of men had built.



Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I wonder if the same root words
are used also for the following verses where God went down to see what
had been done.


Genesis 18:20-21 AMP
[20] And the Lord said, Because the shriek of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah
is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous, [21] I will go down now and see
whether they have done altogether as vilely and wickedly as is the cry of it
which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.


Is it just me or is there something a bit ominous about God going down to see what
people are up to. It's like parents going to see what their kids are up to when they
go quiet and are up to no good.