The end times. Are we in them? 1 world govt comimg? 1 world monetary system?

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JosephsDreams

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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end? If so, why? If not, why not?

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come. Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign.
Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government? Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.
 
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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end? If so, why? If not, why not?

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come. Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign.
Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government? Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.
Yep we're there.... could be within the next few years. Humans will be able to achieve imortallity within just a few short years, I don't think God will put up with that.
 

NayborBear

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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end? If so, why? If not, why not?

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come. Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign.
Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government? Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.

Couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Ahwatukee

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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end? If so, why? If not, why not?

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come. Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign. Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government? Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.
Greetings JosephsDreams,

I whole-heartedly agree with what you are saying. When I first came to Christ, or should I say, when He called me, I was drawn to end-time events and specifically, the book of Revelation. The mark of the beast has always been a kind of beacon for me and is in fact why we have seen such great leaps in technology. When the first ATM machines came out, I knew that this technology was related to that coming mark. Then came the Universal product Code (UPC), followed by the Point of Sale System (POS), which of course allows people to credit and debit their bank accounts electronically.

Technology continues to create devices that allow for accessing an individuals bank account in order to perform electronic crediting and debiting. Previously, access has been via the swiping of various cards and now we have phone apps that allow a person to simply bring up their bank app on their phone and put it in the vicinity of the VeriFone device and it performs the same function as a card, which is, real-time crediting or debiting. And because of this technology, people are able to credit and debit each other's accounts electronically as well.

The link to all this is what is written in Rev.13:16 which says: He (the false prophet) forces all, both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on the right hand or the forehead and except anyone had the mark they would not be able to buy or sell. Buying and selling is crediting an debiting. The world has been headed for a cashless society for some years now and in fact most financial transactions are being done electronically. In regards to the coming mark, we now have businesses in Sweden and elsewhere whose employees are being implanted with an RFID chip underneath and between the skin of the thumb and the index finger. By this implant, they are able to access the building, access different business machines and make electronic purchases at the local café. The very fact that this technology even exists is a testimony to the truth and accuracy of God's word.

Just as the electronic system for crediting and debiting has evolved, I'm sure that this sub-dermal chip technology will also. But whatever device the mark turns out to be, one thing for sure is that the technology is here. Also regarding this technology, Denmark is set to go completely cashless in January of 2016. The exciting news about this for believers is that, since we can see the stage being set for events that are to take place during the time of the beast and the false prophet, then how close is the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to him, which must take place first?

In keeping with this theme, it is stated that the false prophet "forces" the receiving of the mark. Regarding this, I believe that the forcing is not physical, but will done by making all other forms of buying and selling obsolete, leaving only that sub-dermal device (mark) to be able to perform electronic financial transactions. In other words, during that time, if one does not have that mark, then they will not be able to electronically credit and debit their bank accounts. To be clear, the world financial system will only be accessible electronically via the mark. Below, I have attached a BBC Newscast that aired last January regarding the chip implant technology. Just click on the link below:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News
 

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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end? If so, why? If not, why not?

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come. Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign.
Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government? Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.
Yep, but their plans for one world government have been out in the open for a long time. U.S. President Woodrow Wilson used the term "New World Order" in his inaugural speech. He tried to get the U.S. to join the League of Nations also, which specifically declared its purpose of a one world government long ago.

The reason why that has remained a mystery is because only a few took notice of it, as most shy away from political writings and books, and history pretty much.
 

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I look at the research into "dark matter". Just like the spiritual realm, we can't see or detect it except by how it influences that which we can see and detect. It's interesting that science pegs it as making up 90 percent of our universe ... and that God says He wants His 10% back. The last time mankind had the technology to peer into the realm of God was at the tower of Babel, and look what God did then. But this is just one of many clearly visible birth pangs. Hang on folks the ride's going to get a little rough...
 
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Dino246

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In response to the first part of the OP title, the answer from Scripture is a clear "Yes". 1 Peter 1:20: "He was chosen before the creation of the world but was revealed in these last times for your sake." Which means that we are in the last times, and have been for about 2000 years.
 

crossnote

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Yup. The greatest sign...Israel.
 

JimmieD

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I am curious as to what my fellow believers think. Are we getting very close to the end?
I doubt it.

If so, why? If not, why not?
I don't see the evidence.

I personally think the signs are there that the pace is quickening and that technology is pointing the way to what is to come.
Why is better technology a sign of the end of the world?

Also this country, and most of the rest of the world is also seeing a regressing of morality, another sign.
How do you measure this?

Last, can anyone deny the mass mindset is drifting to at least to consider the idea of one world government?
I doubt it. How did you come to this conclusion?

Something that was not on the horizon just 20 or so years ago.
Hal Lindsey was predicting a one world government, in the form of the European Economic Community, back in 1970. That turned out to be a disaster. In any case, the idea that the world is on the horizon of a one world government has been a fear of some people going back for quite some time.
 

JosephsDreams

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Ahwatukee,

Yes, thank you, your reply essentially expanded on what I was to lazy to research. But I think most of us here get the general drift of what is here and what is coming. It is fascinating to hear some of the details. I had no idea that Denmark was going cashless this year. What are they going to do with tourists?

Regarding tech and our physical comfort level's, we've really taken what the wicked Kenites started (described in early Genesis) to a whole 'nother level.

BTW, I clicked the link, read the short article, but I couldn't get any sound from the video.
 

crossnote

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I doubt it.



I don't see the evidence.



Why is better technology a sign of the end of the world?



How do you measure this?



I doubt it. How did you come to this conclusion?



Hal Lindsey was predicting a one world government, in the form of the European Economic Community, back in 1970. That turned out to be a disaster. In any case, the idea that the world is on the horizon of a one world government has been a fear of some people going back for quite some time.
Imagine that, a one world government, where do people get such an idea? :rolleyes:

Revelation 13:7-8,14,16-17 KJVS
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. [14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 
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skylove7

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Yessss!
Dear friend!
And how also....
The light when proclaimed....
Shall also bring forth...
The defense of the beast!

Lol
That's not scriptural C Note
But just the Holy Spirit telling folks to hold on through pain!
Love ya brother!
Thank you for...
You are a servant of God....
In humbility....and care.....
You give your time
In the name of Jesus!


Thanks C Note!

Skylove7
 

JosephsDreams

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Lord please forgive me, I have a harder time then when I was in my youth when it comes to suffering lack of informed responses. I pray someone is patient with me if I do the same thing. And I am still middle age. I hope I don't become a grumpy old man.
 

JosephsDreams

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JimmieD, please read Daniel, Revelations, and in the gospels, please look into the verses where Jesus speaks about the latter days. I am sure there is more in the bible, but those are the ones that quickly come to mind.

Also, google one world order, one world government to see if it is more of a reality then it was 20 or 30 years ago, and please let me know your conclusions.

And are you suggesting that our society is morally the same or better then it was 30 or 40 or so years ago?
 

JimmieD

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Imagine that, a one world government, where do people get such an idea? :rolleyes:

Revelation 13:7-8,14,16-17 KJVS
[7] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. [14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Ignoring for the moment what I'm sure will be different interpretations of the John's Apocalypse, you still have not substantiated the posters point. The argument was that a one world government was "on the horizon" or there was a "mass mindset drifting to a one world government." Posting a verse out of Revelation hardly does anything to substantiate those claims.
 
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skylove7

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Lord please forgive me, I have a harder time then when I was in my youth when it comes to suffering lack of informed responses. I pray someone is patient with me if I do the same thing. And I am still middle age. I hope I don't become a grumpy old man.
No worries.....
Lol
You don't have to be grumpy in patience!
:)

Three things...

God
Love
and
Hobbies....Hobbies....in your patience of God's timing!
Lol
 
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JimmieD

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JimmieD, please read Daniel, Revelations, and in the gospels, please look into the verses where Jesus speaks about the latter days.
I have. Thanks.

Really though, don't you think just telling someone to go read those sources is a little insulting? You're either insulting me or you don't know what you're talking about and are hoping I will quit asking you to substantiate your claims and move on to something else instead.

Also, google one world order, one world government to see if it is more of a reality then it was 20 or 30 years ago, and please let me know your conclusions.
Google told me it's not. Can you explain why "Google it" counts as an authoritative source? What keeps me from finding a random link that already agrees with me? Which links should I choose and why?

And are you suggesting that our society is morally the same or better then it was 30 or 40 or so years ago?
I don't know if it's any better or worse. I guess we would first have to decide how to measure the moral quality of society so we could make a comparison.

Back in pre-historic days, child sacrifice was a regular practice in many cultures. I don't see much of that these days. A few thousand years ago, temple prostitution was a regular practice. That doesn't really occur anymore. It seems that slavery and slave trade was the norm in many cultures, and it seems to have been minimized in the past 150 years. I'm sure we could think of some other horrific practices that have been on the wane in recent history.

I just doubt that humans are any morally better or morally worse than they have been, mainly because I don't know how to make that comparison (and doubt you do either).
 

Ahwatukee

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I had no idea that Denmark was going cashless this year. What are they going to do with tourists?

Hello JosephsDreams,


I really don't think that it will be an issue, since most people use electronic crediting and debiting. Whenever I go into the grocery store, I always take note of how people make payment and it is mostly electronically. I've also notice that there are lot more retailers that have "self-serve" lines, where they scan their own products, pay electronically and go on their merry way. Ikea even has these self check-out lines. In the future when that sub-dermal device becomes more in use, people could just go in, get their products, scan them and then wave their mark over the scanner.

BTW, I clicked the link, read the short article, but I couldn't get any sound from the video.

Sorry to hear that! I just tried it and I was able to hear the newscast ok. You might want to try it again. Are you getting sound at all on your computer? The following is a CNN Money Post:

A plan to cut cash out of shopping could see Denmark become the first country to ditch notes and coins altogether.

The Danish government has proposed that most stores could dump their cash registers from January 2016.

Essential services, such as hospitals, pharmacies and post offices, would still have to accept cash under the plan, which is some way from becoming law.

Denmark, with its Scandinavian neighbors Norway and Sweden, is leading the global trend towards electronic money.
Business groups point to benefits such as reduced handling and transport costs, increased security and a drop in attempts to steal cash.

Related: Americans are savers now. It's a problem for the economy
A cashless society is "no longer an illusion but a vision that can be fulfilled within a reasonable time frame," said Michael Busk-Jepsen, executive director of the Danish Bankers Association.

Right now all retailers in Denmark must take cash. But that hasn't stopped huge numbers of Danes embracing digital options.
Nearly 40% of the population use Danske Bank (DNSKY)'s MobilePay, which allows money transfers between people, as well as purchases in stores or online. Norway and Sweden tell a similar story.

Scandinavians rely on cash for less than 6% of all payments made. By contrast, around 47% of U.S. payments are still made with cash, according to the Norwegian central bank.

In Sweden, you can even use a card to buy street newspapers sold by homeless people. Card reader maker iZettle said sales of Situation Stockholm have jumped following the introduction of mobile payments. And one of the country's most famous names, Abba's Björn Ulvaeus, has been a vocal supporter of a cashless society.

Related: Norwegians love Tesla more than Americans
The trend toward digital money is accelerating elsewhere in Europe.

Non-cash paymentsrose 6% in 2013, according to data from the European Central Bank. Cashless payments overtook those made with notes and coins in the U.K. for the first time last year.

Even the United Nations, alongside the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, wants societies to forego cash for more virtual transacting. It wants to cut costs and improve transparency, and is working with governments and the private sector to encourage more use of electronic payments.

Still, a cashless society isn't great news for everyone. Digital transacting carries growing fraud and security risks, while the elderly and marginalized groups have limited access to electronic payment options.

The most recent figures from the ECB show fraudulent use of bank cards is racking up billions in costs for unlucky consumers.
Total card fraud in Europe hit €1.3 billion ($1.4 billion) in 2012, a near 15% jump on the year earlier.
Related: Apple and banks dismiss Apple Pay fraud worries


CNNMoney (London ) First published June 2, 2015: 8:00 AM ET
 

blue_ladybug

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Yep we're there.... could be within the next few years.Humans will be able to achieve immortality within just a few short years,I don't think God will put up with that.


​Where did you get THAT ridiculous notion from? Alice in Wonderland? :confused:
 

Ahwatukee

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Ahwatukee,

Yes, thank you, your reply essentially expanded on what I was to lazy to research. But I think most of us here get the general drift of what is here and what is coming. It is fascinating to hear some of the details. I had no idea that Denmark was going cashless this year. What are they going to do with tourists?

Regarding tech and our physical comfort level's, we've really taken what the wicked Kenites started (described in early Genesis) to a whole 'nother level.

BTW, I clicked the link, read the short article, but I couldn't get any sound from the video.
Hello again! Here is another link regarding Denmark going cashless:

Denmark moves closer to a cashless society | Europe | News | The Independent