Who is the True CHRIST?

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grigoryamitai

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Today, these are the "CHRISTS" being preached:

* "JESUS CHRIST" is only a man and not God (the "Arian doctrine")
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the "mighty" God, for the FATHER is the "Almighty God" (the Jehovah doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit (the Sabellian or Oneness doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who is JESUS CHRIST of Peter and Paul, and the original Apostles?
 

crossnote

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Today, these are the "CHRISTS" being preached:

* "JESUS CHRIST" is only a man and not God (the "Arian doctrine")
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the "mighty" God, for the FATHER is the "Almighty God" (the Jehovah doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit (the Sabellian or Oneness doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who is JESUS CHRIST of Peter and Paul, and the original Apostles?
I thought the Arian doctrine seen Jesus as a demigod (lower than God but a god nonetheless)
Athanasius had it right. Fully God, fully man.
 
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Tintin

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Today, these are the "CHRISTS" being preached:

* "JESUS CHRIST" is only a man and not God (the "Arian doctrine")
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the "mighty" God, for the FATHER is the "Almighty God" (the Jehovah doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit (the Sabellian or Oneness doctrine)
* "JESUS CHRIST" is both God and man, He is the 2nd person of the Divine Trinity (the Athanacian Creed)

Question:

Who is JESUS CHRIST of Peter and Paul, and the original Apostles?
The fourth option is the biblically correct understanding of Jesus Christ.
 

wattie

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Yes i would agree with Jesus being fully God and fully man.
 

Magenta

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The eternal second person of the triune God, purposed from before creation, which He caused to spring into being, for His own glory, who incarnated, taking on a veil of flesh to walk this world, where He performed many miracles and healings and fulfilled many prophecies concerning Him, and hung on a tree to show His great love for us, as a propitiatory sacrifice/payment for the sins of the world, that man might be reconciled to God, Who then arose on the third day following His crucifixion, continued teaching and preaching for forty days, and then ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father... that Jesus Christ? (I know no other :))
 
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Kaycie

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Jesus was only a man while He was on the earth. Just like when you die you will leave your body, but your soul will last for eternity. Well the soul that took on the form of a man was God the Son- Jesus Christ. There are only three souls Who are Deity (God), and Jesus is one of Them.

To the apostles Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, just as He is to anyone. For when He returns every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess Who He is.
 
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Tintin

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Jesus was only a man while He was on the earth. Just like when you die you will leave your body, but your soul will last for eternity. Well the soul that took on the form of a man was God the Son- Jesus Christ. There are only three souls Who are Deity (God), and Jesus is one of Them.

To the apostles Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, just as He is to anyone. For when He returns every knee shall bow, and every tongue will confess Who He is.
Uh. No. Jesus Christ came to earth fully God and fully man and still remains fully God and fully man. When Jesus returns a second time, we'll be given glorified new bodies. Also, it's incorrect to say God is three souls and that Jesus is one of them. God is spirit. God is one God in three persons (Father, Son, Spirit). Jesus rose to new life in His resurrected, glorified body. Then He ascended into Heaven to sit at the right hand of God the Father. In doing this, He paved the way for those who believed/believe on and trusted/trust in Him. Finally, our final destination isn't Heaven but the New Heavens and the New Earth.
 

nowyouseem033

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interesting. Historically, traditionally and biblically it has always stood that the athanasian creed be the true understanding of the incarnation.

However can someone please enlighten me to why Jesus could not be the God-Man before the incarnation?
 

valiant

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interesting. Historically, traditionally and biblically it has always stood that the athanasian creed be the true understanding of the incarnation.

However can someone please enlighten me to why Jesus could not be the God-Man before the incarnation?
Before the incarnation He was the second persona of the triune God, but He was above man. He became man at the incarnation. He was always God, He became man. His divine Spirit was united with a human body which was His own.
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valiant

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By the way can anyone tell me why my rep power remains at twelve while I am continually getting reps?
 
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Tintin

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By the way can anyone tell me why my rep power remains at twelve while I am continually getting reps?
I'm not sure why. Maybe on top of all of those reps you've been given, you need to post more often.
 

tanakh

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By the way can anyone tell me why my rep power remains at twelve while I am continually getting reps?
The site works in mysterious ways. I had a rep power of three. Then I was locked out of the site. I came back in December and now Im back down to one sob
 

John146

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John 1:14, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." Before Jesus became the only begotten Son of God, He was the Word.

Hebrews 10:5, "...BUT A BODY HAST THOU PREPARED ME:" A body was prepared through the seed of the Holy Ghost inside the virgin Mary and the Word moved into that body and became the begotten Son of God.
 
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By the way can anyone tell me why my rep power remains at twelve while I am continually getting reps?
If the people who rep you don't have a fairly high rep power, themselves, you don't get much from them...... maybe only a tenth of a full rep power point.

Now, if someone with a rep of 60 reps you, then you immediately gain a whole point..... if you have been here awhile. New people don't seem to gain rep very fast.
 
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grigoryamitai

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Indeed, to pinpoint the clear, flawless, perfect identity of JESUS CHRIST must be beyond the reach or grasp of man. And now, His rebuke:

Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.


And so, WHO is the FATHER?
 

wattie

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Yeah there is the part of talking about Jesus where distinguishing Him from the Father isn't as clear. For eg.. The Father is referenced as the Alpha and Omega... so is Jesus in Revelation.

At the burning bush.. 'I AM'.. so Jesus says in the New Testament.. 'before Abraham was I AM'

And then there is the point that God is one triune being. He isn't three beings. One God.

I try to get my head around it by looking at God with three expressions.. Father, Holy Spirit and Son. All co-equal, all God, no superiority or inferiority. I am not so happy calling them 'persons' because they aren't seperated beings.

There is a sense in which the Father is the Son.. and the Holy Spirit is the Father.. and the Son is the Holy Spirit.. because it is the one being God.

I guess that the mind is different to the body and the soul is different to the mind and body.. so I could look at it that way.

Then it would still be the one being.. with three expressions.
 
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Tintin

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Yeah there is the part of talking about Jesus where distinguishing Him from the Father isn't as clear. For eg.. The Father is referenced as the Alpha and Omega... so is Jesus in Revelation.

At the burning bush.. 'I AM'.. so Jesus says in the New Testament.. 'before Abraham was I AM'

And then there is the point that God is one triune being. He isn't three beings. One God.

I try to get my head around it by looking at God with three expressions.. Father, Holy Spirit and Son. All co-equal, all God, no superiority or inferiority. I am not so happy calling them 'persons' because they aren't separated beings.

There is a sense in which the Father is the Son.. and the Holy Spirit is the Father.. and the Son is the Holy Spirit.. because it is the one being God.

I guess that the mind is different to the body and the soul is different to the mind and body.. so I could look at it that way.

Then it would still be the one being.. with three expressions.
God is one in nature, but He's three in persons. And by 'persons' we don't mean 'persons' in the modern sense. He's one God in three persons.
 

wattie

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God is one in nature, but He's three in persons. And by 'persons' we don't mean 'persons' in the modern sense. He's one God in three persons.
Yeah I guess 'expressions' could easily mean the same thing as 'persons'.

The issue I have is when Jesus is said to be NOT the Father.. when in fact both the Son and the Father are expressions or persons of the one being God.

This can be overcome maybe by seeing it as the Father being a different expression to the Son but both are still God.

Like a person has a mind body and soul. Different expressions of the person but all our the one being.

Aside from trying to understand this.. the main thing is that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God. Co-equal, co-eternal, fully God.
 

crossnote

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Indeed, to pinpoint the clear, flawless, perfect identity of JESUS CHRIST must be beyond the reach or grasp of man. And now, His rebuke:

Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.


And so, WHO is the FATHER?
Grigory, I noticed you are on at least 5 or more forums. Are the answers to your questions that bad? LOL