Gospel of the Kingdom vs the Gospel Paul preached

[Incognito]

no

Jesus has a body. He is not spirit.

Paul did not teach the gospel of spirit either.

God is Spirit, not 'a' spirit, but Spirit

and of course the Holy Spirit is also Spirit

Jesus was resurrected with a physical body.

I Corinthians 15:50 "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of heaven."

Definition of "a body:" the physical structure of a person or an animal, including the bones, flesh, and organs."

The "physical structure" (aka "Body") that was "seen" by men after Jesus' resurrection was the [Spiritual] "transfiguration" of Jesus for men to see, "touch" and "feel" before ascension and was "ALL" Spiritual; otherwise I Corinthians 15:50 would be in error. Remember, Jesus walked through a wall; Thomas touched Him; and He had the ability to transport from one place to another - instantly! It's the same type of body "we" will have when "The first in Christ shall rise" (I Thessalonians 4:16).

Paul "did" teach "The Gospel of Spirit" because in I Corinthians 12:11-12 Paul compares "the members of the body of Christ" to "Spiritual gifts" received by "each member" (v7) and their "operations" by the "Same Spirit" yet "one body" and tells us in verse 12 that "Christ" operates the same way; "Spiritually" with "MANY" manifestations by His Glory; yet the "Same Spirit;" yet is "One [Spiritual] Body!"

My KJV 1976 Edition says "GOD is *A* Spirit" at John 4:24 although we know HE is "THE SPIRIT."

GOD has "revealed" to me that it is "HE who operates" within "The Gospel of Christ" (Romans 1:16) and not "we ourselves" (Ephesians 2:8-9) making the "Gospel of Christ" the "Gospel of Spirit" for "HE" is in control. It says it in Romans 1:16 "...for it is the POWER OF GOD..." However, if one has not been "born again" (John 3:5-7) by baptism of the Holy Spirit which "QUICKENED our DEAD spirits" (Ephesians 2:1) back to life, Christ does not dwell in us and "we are none of HIS" (Romans 8:9)!

Blessings

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's interesting that some folks think that Jesus' spiritual body is incorporeal like a vapor or something. Does everyone realize that our natural bodies are mostly space?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I Corinthians 15:50 "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of heaven."

Definition of "a body:" the physical structure of a person or an animal, including the bones, flesh, and organs."

The "physical structure" (aka "Body") that was "seen" by men after Jesus' resurrection was the [Spiritual] "transfiguration" of Jesus for men to see, "touch" and "feel" before ascension and was "ALL" Spiritual; otherwise I Corinthians 15:50 would be in error. Remember, Jesus walked through a wall; Thomas touched Him; and He had the ability to transport from one place to another - instantly! It's the same type of body "we" will have when "The first in Christ shall rise" (I Thessalonians 4:16).

Paul "did" teach "The Gospel of Spirit" because in I Corinthians 12:11-12 Paul compares "the members of the body of Christ" to "Spiritual gifts" received by "each member" (v7) and their "operations" by the "Same Spirit" yet "one body" and tells us in verse 12 that "Christ" operates the same way; "Spiritually" with "MANY" manifestations by His Glory; yet the "Same Spirit;" yet is "One [Spiritual] Body!"

My KJV 1976 Edition says "GOD is *A* Spirit" at John 4:24 although we know HE is "THE SPIRIT."

GOD has "revealed" to me that it is "HE who operates" within "The Gospel of Christ" (Romans 1:16) and not "we ourselves" (Ephesians 2:8-9) making the "Gospel of Christ" the "Gospel of Spirit" for "HE" is in control. It says it in Romans 1:16 "...for it is the POWER OF GOD..." However, if one has not been "born again" (John 3:5-7) by baptism of the Holy Spirit which "QUICKENED our DEAD spirits" (Ephesians 2:1) back to life, Christ does not dwell in us and "we are none of HIS" (Romans 8:9)!

Blessings

well thanks for being so polite but while I appreciate that for sure, you are still wrong.

we also will have new bodies as did Jesus when he was resurrected

you have a flawed understanding of the scripture

I don't know, but maybe this:

GOD has "revealed" to me

is why. the scripture does not need any revelation concerning what it plainly states

personal revelation, that is a supposed new idea to an individual, is seldom right. in fact, it is a dangerous belief to suppose God is revealing to an individual something that goes against what is plainly written and plainly understood

 

[7seasrekeyed]

It's interesting that some folks think that Jesus' spiritual body is incorporeal like a vapor or something. Does everyone realize that our natural bodies are mostly space?

Jesus ate fish in front of the disciples

seems he would need an actual body as most understand

but these new 'revelations' always supersede the word to those who believe them

 

[Incognito]

It's interesting that some folks think that Jesus' spiritual body is incorporeal like a vapor or something. Does everyone realize that our natural bodies are mostly space?

“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body” (1 Cor:15:44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Blessings
See All...).

 

[Incognito]

well thanks for being so polite but while I appreciate that for sure, you are still wrong.

we also will have new bodies as did Jesus when he was resurrected

you have a flawed understanding of the scripture

I don't know, but maybe this:

is why. the scripture does not need any revelation concerning what it plainly states
personal revelation, that is a supposed new idea to an individual, is seldom right. in fact, it is a dangerous belief to suppose God is revealing to an individual something that goes against what is plainly written and plainly understood

Scripture is being "fulfilled" dear heart (Joel 2:38; Acts 2:17)!

"Personal revelation" was what was received of ALL the prophets.

II Peter 2:20-21 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of ANY private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time BY THE WILL OF MAN: but holy men of GOD spake AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT."

Therefore, if "NOT BY THE WILL OF MAN" but "AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT," the prophecy was NOT "private" for the "HOLY SPIRIT MOVED THEM" and they were "NOT ALONE" nor were the prophecies "PRIVATE" nor "INTERPRETED!"

I Corinthians 2:10 "But GOD hath REVEALED them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD!"

Blessings

 

[Bladerunner]

It's interesting that some folks think that Jesus' spiritual body is incorporeal like a vapor or something. Does everyone realize that our natural bodies are mostly space?

Very Perceptive of you.

 

[Bladerunner]

There's that rapture doctrine which I'm sure you refer to a pre-trib rapture, which I knew was part of the Hyper-Grace doctrinist's beliefs that led them to devise their Paul only gospel doctrine. Just one lie piled on top of another.

God's Church began in OT times through those whom He called and chose back then, and revealed His Salvation which is why they knew and looked for the coming of Christ. They already had the Gospel of Salvation, but just weren't aware about the cross that would seal it. And the mystery Paul spoke of in Eph.3 wasn't about first knowledge about God's Plan of Salvation to Israel, but about it including believing Gentiles as "... fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel;" (Eph.3:6).

That's also why Paul said this to believing Gentiles:

Eph 2:19-20
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone;
KJV

Why would Paul include the Apostles of Christ and the OT prophets in that foundation if only Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

That right there which Hyper-Grace deceived try to omit from Paul's gospel shows up in Paul's own preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

It is obvious you want to put John 146's teaching to a Hyper-Grace scenario which is SAD...The CHurch did not Start in the OLD testament. The Old Testament did not End until the Death of the Testator (Jesus).

If you will read 2 tim 2: 15 and Divide the Bible as it states, You will find that John 146 teachings are spot on. It you do not believe, well that is you free will to do so........Why would he Put it in there if it were not so...The way John 146 is teaching, one does not have to add to or take away from the Bible.

 

[Bladerunner]

Even in Acts 10, God used Apostle Peter to preach The Gospel of Jesus Christ to Gentiles. So Paul was not the first to preach the Gospel to Gentiles. Nor did Jesus choose Paul to preach the Gospel only to Gentiles, as revealed in Acts 9.

So Hyper-Grace's attempt to isolate Paul only in preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ fails miserably in contrast to the Scriptures as actually written.

You will find that ACTS is a transitional Book where the Apostles taught the Jews first and IF they rejected the word, they would preach unto the Gentiles.... This was until Chapter 7 where Stephen is stoned. From this point on, Baptise by water could be done only if the person first believe that Jesus was the Son of God and he died for their sins. Many Jewish people followed this. Paul (Saul) a persecutor of Christians himself was changed by Jesus Himself.


Jesus tells us in ROm 11:13..that Paul "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"

Paul was preaching to the Gentiles and Jews that would listen to the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Cor 15:1-4)

You got a thing about this Hyper-Grace. Me, I just simply read the Bible Literally without adding or taking away from it....

 

[Bladerunner]

Many brethren are not really aware of how our Lord Jesus meant that the gospel of the kingdom must first be "published" to all nations, and then the end will come.

He said that right amid verses He was speaking of the tribulation time when some of His elect are delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Him (Mark 13:9-13). The Greek word for "published" can also mean like a town crier or herald that used to get up on boxes in the town square to make a proclamation.

That event is actually about the event of Joel 2 which Apostle Peter quoted in Acts 2 on Pentecost. The Pentecost event of the cloven tongue going out to peoples out of ever nation in their own dialect and language of birth was but an example of the Joel 2 prophecy which is actually for the very end of this world during the tribulation when some of Christ's elect are delivered up to give a Witness and Testimony of Jesus Christ to all... nations. The time for that event has not yet come today; it's for the time of 'great tribulation' which Jesus was showing there in Mark 13.

And it makes sense that Jesus would say that is the "gospel of the kingdom" that will be proclaimed then, because immediately after that event His second coming will occur, and all the kingdoms of this world will become those of Him and The Father (Rev.11).

You keep weirder and weider? SO SAD ...I suggest that you read carefully rev. 22:18-19 Please

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes, But they were still saved by grace.. They looked to the one promised in Gen 3: 15, The suffering servant, who would suffer for the sin of the people..

The mystery is that the servant and messiah were one and the same, It had to be that way, God had to keep it from Satan so satan would do what God wanted him to do. Prove God right. and him a liar.

How could HE keep it from Satan (Gen 3:15)????, when He was talking to the Serpent....See Gen3:14. then HOW would SATAN NOT KNOW of what He was speaking of.......he (Satan)who was after all was an Angel of Cherubim status.

 

[Bladerunner]

No, I am not watchman, in answer to that question.

Yet what he covered in that thread is dead on with keeping to the actual Scripture as written. I can't help that you'd rather listen to something else other than that Scripture proof he covered, which are the same Scriptures that anyone truly studied in God's Word realizes that Christ's coming to gather His Church is after the tribulation like Jesus and His Apostles taught.

Your JW reference as an attempt to discredit is totally ignorant, since the origin of the preaching of the pre-trib rapture theory can only be traced back to the 1830's with Darby and the Irvingite movement in Great Britain. Prior to the 1830's, the Christian Church as a majority held to a post-trib coming and gathering of the Church, even as pre-trib scholars have admitted in their writings.



Jesus gave the signs of the Seals of Rev.6 to them upon the Mount of Olives in Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. The seals of Revelation were given through Apostle John by Christ to the seven Churches in Asia; i.e., CHRISTIAN CHURCHES. Thus pre-trib's theory about that being only for Jews falls flat on its bum against that Biblical evidence. No such idea as Church Ages taught in God's Word either, that's simply another devised doctrine from John Darby's 19th century Dispensationalist theories.



The first group in Rom.11 Paul is referring to are Israelites which God Himself preserved in The Gospel. All those who believe on Jesus Christ are included with them, including the Gentile. Those make up Christ's Church. Paul himself was in that group, as all those Jesus called and chose at His first coming forward were. But that is totally irrelevant to the timing which our Lord Jesus and His Apostles showed for His 2nd coming and gathering of His Church.

Do you NOT understand that Daniel's70th week (Jacob's Troubles) is the Tribulations you speak of. It is in crude terms designed to put the Jewish people of Israel up against the wall until they cry out to HIM (Jesus). Only then will HE come Back for them. The Remnant (those that flee Jerusalem when the Anti-CHrist initiates the Abomination of Desolate), are kept in a safe place by GOD as seen in Rev 12:14-18 and others. These are the ones who will receive His NEW covenant.

They will see that "Kingdom of Heaven" or the 1000 Years of Physical Rule on Earth by their Messiah The King, that was so long ago (2000+ years) offered to them by Jesus Christ.

The Jewish and Gentiles that have not fled, will die as the city of Jerusalem is destroyed for the last time.

 

[tanakh]

Jesus told his Disciples what was going to happen to him and they wouldn't believe him until it did. Also he would hardly tell them to preach about his death resurrection and about salvation through him when he was still alive

 

[Bladerunner]

That's what makes Paul's gospel of the death, burial and resurrection different. Both are dealing with Jesus Christ.

gospel of the kingdom - Christ as King ruling on earth, has not been preached to all nations yet, be will be preached to all nations right before the 2nd Advent during the great tribulation

gospel of grace - Christ the savior through His death, burial and resurrection, has been preached to all nations (Romans 16:26), in all the world (Colossians 1:6), and to every creature under heaven (Colossians 1:23).

The Gospel that will be preached during the tribulations and the Millennium will be the "Everlasting Gospel" Rev 14:6 This will be done just before the 2nd Advent.

Yes, the Gospel of Grace has been preached to all Known nations at that time of Paul.

 

[Bladerunner]

Many brethren are not really aware of how our Lord Jesus meant that the gospel of the kingdom must first be "published" to all nations, and then the end will come.

He said that right amid verses He was speaking of the tribulation time when some of His elect are delivered up to councils and synagogues to give a Testimony for Him (Mark 13:9-13). The Greek word for "published" can also mean like a town crier or herald that used to get up on boxes in the town square to make a proclamation.

That event is actually about the event of Joel 2 which Apostle Peter quoted in Acts 2 on Pentecost. The Pentecost event of the cloven tongue going out to peoples out of ever nation in their own dialect and language of birth was but an example of the Joel 2 prophecy which is actually for the very end of this world during the tribulation when some of Christ's elect are delivered up to give a Witness and Testimony of Jesus Christ to all... nations. The time for that event has not yet come today; it's for the time of 'great tribulation' which Jesus was showing there in Mark 13.

And it makes sense that Jesus would say that is the "gospel of the kingdom" that will be proclaimed then, because immediately after that event His second coming will occur, and all the kingdoms of this world will become those of Him and The Father (Rev.11).

NO,,,the Gospel of the Kingdom as you put it,,,was only for Jews. The Kingdom of GOD was for the Gentiles and Jews alike that Believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[tanakh]

This is called Mid-Acts Dispensationalism (MAD), I believe. Some new.modern.hyper grace teachers have adopted an adapted version of this in their teachings (for example, the Lord's Prayer was for old covenant Jews, but not new covenant gentiles).

There are not two gospels, or two faiths. MAD is simply another gospel.

MAD is a very apt acronym

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yes, the Gospel of Grace has been preached to all Known nations at that time of Paul.

But that does not mean that the requirement to preach the Gospel "in all the world" and "to every creature" was fulfilled at that time (first century). But there will come a time when this is fulfilled, and it is only after that that Christ will come to earth for the second time.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14).

BTW, there are not multiple different Gospels. They are simply described in different ways. There is only ONE GOSPEL.

 

[Bladerunner]

But that does not mean that the requirement to preach the Gospel "in all the world" and "to every creature" was fulfilled at that time (first century). But there will come a time when this is fulfilled, and it is only after that that Christ will come to earth for the second time.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14).

BTW, there are not multiple different Gospels. They are simply described in different ways. There is only ONE GOSPEL.

Was it something I said that was wrong.... I said "All Nations" .....does this not mean the WHole world??????

 

[Nehemiah6]

Was it something I said that was wrong.... I said "All Nations" .....does this not mean the WHole world??????

You did not say anything wrong but gave the impression that the Gospel had ALREADY been preached in all the world in the first century. But the Gospel is still being preached.

 

[Incognito]

Jesus ate fish in front of the disciples

seems he would need an actual body as most understand

but these new 'revelations' always supersede the word to those who believe them

I Corinthians 15:50 "...flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God..."