Gospel of the Kingdom vs the Gospel Paul preached

[followjesus]

No Tanakh,,,they had no idea about the Cross until it happened..Likewise they had no idea (at first) that death was required before one has everlasting life... There will be only a few of the Church who are still living when they are "caught-up", The other members of this Body of Christ will be resurrected from the graves and reconnected to their souls. Yes, Their Eyes, the same ones that they lived with so many years on earth will see Jesus in His Kingdom.... (i.e. Job 19)

as far Back as Isaiah the death and resurrection was preached, Jesus taught His dicsiples thoroughly about His death and resurrection and also his ascention to Gods right Hand. His Death, is Not what stops His words its what Makes them the eternal Authority

the blood of the coveannt is shed after all the coveannt is spoken to the people, Jesus did that, He gave the Gospel and then shed His blood. That Means forever His words are set until the end of the earth. Heres Jesus teaching of His death, and resurrection, His blood shed for sin, His ascention to Gods right Hand...and Paul preaching it

matthew 20:28 " Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

matthew 26:28 " For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Luke 9:22 " Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."

Luke 22;69 " Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God."


you Know of course that paul also taught the death and resurrection ( its not the cross, its the life death and resurrection and the ascention of Jesus the Christ.romans 8:34 " Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."

thats why because He went to Gods right hand for a purpose to interceed for us number 1

Number 2 to send the Holy Ghost as He promised in John 14-16.

acts 2 : This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.number 3 to enterthe tabernacle in Heaven and serve as Our High priest in the opresence of God in the inner sanctuary and tabernbacle of the testimony. to offer Himself as Our sacrifice ( the Lamb slain)

Hebrews 10:12" But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 4 " For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 7 " By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

 

[Rainrider]

Luke 18:32-34 Jesus is telling his disciples, "For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on; And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and on the third day he shall rise again." Is this not our gospel message? Verse 34, "And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken."

So what gospel did Jesus and the disciples go around preaching? The disciples had no idea about the cross. Peter tried to stop it from happening. After His death, the disciples weren't gathered around anxiously awaiting His resurrection.


The gospel of the Kingdom was specifically given to the Jews. Matthew 10:5-7, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Did the disciples go around preaching a gospel they didn't understand?

As with any part of the Word if one picks just one passage, and falls to seek out all other passages dealing with the same topic, they can twist to mean anything at all. You use Mat 10:5-7 yet for some reason don't list others like,
Mat 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Jhn 17:21 “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

As all passages I have listed are the Words of Yeshua, they must be considered in any teaching like this.

There is a pastor that once lost his church for teaching that everyone goes to heaven, no conditions, or salvation needed. He came to this line of thinking by looking only at passages that would back his idea. Never taking note of any that stand in contrast to that idea. If a person uses the Word in this manner, they should bn't be taken as teaching the true Word of HaShem.

 

[Rainrider]

No Tanakh,,,they had no idea about the Cross until it happened..Likewise they had no idea (at first) that death was required before one has everlasting life... There will be only a few of the Church who are still living when they are "caught-up", The other members of this Body of Christ will be resurrected from the graves and reconnected to their souls. Yes, Their Eyes, the same ones that they lived with so many years on earth will see Jesus in His Kingdom.... (i.e. Job 19)

Dan 9:26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Note that we are told of His death in this passage.
Isa 53:5

But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Some translations read pierced for you rebellion. The JPS Tanakh reads "He was wounded because of our sin.All 3 give a clear idea of his manner of death.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.

A clear teaching on His actions during His so called trial.
Isa 53:9 And they[fn] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

Even the manner of His burial was given.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced My hands and My feet;
Psa 22:17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
Psa 22:18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.

Every thing was done when He was placed on the cross, with out the use of the NT is found right here in Psa. 22. Right to the casting of lots for his clothing.
Yet what of His Resurrection? Are we told of that as well?
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

In closeing, please note that I only used the Word to make this point. As for my own thoughts, if one wishes to cast away the Tanakh, they loss the backing to show that the Word is truth. They also loss many teachings that help us to truly understand the teachings of the NT.

 

[John146]

As with any part of the Word if one picks just one passage, and falls to seek out all other passages dealing with the same topic, they can twist to mean anything at all. You use Mat 10:5-7 yet for some reason don't list others like,
Mat 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Jhn 17:21 “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

As all passages I have listed are the Words of Yeshua, they must be considered in any teaching like this.

There is a pastor that once lost his church for teaching that everyone goes to heaven, no conditions, or salvation needed. He came to this line of thinking by looking only at passages that would back his idea. Never taking note of any that stand in contrast to that idea. If a person uses the Word in this manner, they should bn't be taken as teaching the true Word of HaShem.

Ok, let's further the Scripture reading. Paul said that the gospel in which he preached had gone out into all the world, been preached to all nations, and every creature under heaven.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Has the end come yet? Why not? Because it's not the exact same gospel message. Rightly divide the word of truth. The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God are not the same.

 

[Rainrider]

Ok, let's further the Scripture reading. Paul said that the gospel in which he preached had gone out into all the world, been preached to all nations, and every creature under heaven.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Has the end come yet? Why not? Because it's not the exact same gospel message. Rightly divide the word of truth. The gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of the grace of God are not the same.

Now looking at history as well.
There were people in the Americas some 5000 years ago. Now if Paul had preached the gospel in all the world He would have had to have preached to them as well. As it is clear this hasn't been the case, it would mean your assumption is wrong. Our conclusion then should be that Paul was speaking of the world known to him, and not the whole world. Were as Yeshua knew of the whole world and the people that were out side of Pauls reach.
Leading to the understanding that they are the same, just seen from a different preservative.

 

[John146]

Now looking at history as well.
There were people in the Americas some 5000 years ago. Now if Paul had preached the gospel in all the world He would have had to have preached to them as well. As it is clear this hasn't been the case, it would mean your assumption is wrong. Our conclusion then should be that Paul was speaking of the world known to him, and not the whole world. Were as Yeshua knew of the whole world and the people that were out side of Pauls reach.
Leading to the understanding that they are the same, just seen from a different preservative.

Paul is speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit. These are not Paul's words or opinions but God's. Btw, the word doesn't say Paul preached the gospel in all the world, but that the gospel had been preached, not necessarily by him.

 

[Bladerunner]

As with any part of the Word if one picks just one passage, and falls to seek out all other passages dealing with the same topic, they can twist to mean anything at all. You use Mat 10:5-7 yet for some reason don't list others like,
Mat 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Mar 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Jhn 17:21 “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

As all passages I have listed are the Words of Yeshua, they must be considered in any teaching like this.

There is a pastor that once lost his church for teaching that everyone goes to heaven, no conditions, or salvation needed. He came to this line of thinking by looking only at passages that would back his idea. Never taking note of any that stand in contrast to that idea. If a person uses the Word in this manner, they should bn't be taken as teaching the true Word of HaShem.

I teach it as well rainmaker.....you listed Mat 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."..

Notice the Bold face type......"THEN the END will Come." This was what they were preaching to the World...The Kingdom of Heaven....It was to come soon, very soon. But then they had to go and reject The trinity no less than three times.

It does put a kink in the teachings of some does it not.?

 

[Bladerunner]

Dan 9:26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Note that we are told of His death in this passage.
Isa 53:5

But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Some translations read pierced for you rebellion. The JPS Tanakh reads "He was wounded because of our sin.All 3 give a clear idea of his manner of death.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.

A clear teaching on His actions during His so called trial.
Isa 53:9 And they[fn] made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

Even the manner of His burial was given.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced My hands and My feet;
Psa 22:17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
Psa 22:18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.

Every thing was done when He was placed on the cross, with out the use of the NT is found right here in Psa. 22. Right to the casting of lots for his clothing.
Yet what of His Resurrection? Are we told of that as well?
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

In closeing, please note that I only used the Word to make this point. As for my own thoughts, if one wishes to cast away the Tanakh, they loss the backing to show that the Word is truth. They also loss many teachings that help us to truly understand the teachings of the NT.

LOL,,,,,,the Tanakh I was speaking of is a on this forum and is a poster.

Now, what you are showing is the prophecies of the Death of Jesus....Yes, they really did study the Prophecies did they NOT,,,They did not even know when He would ride into Jerusalem. Oh, a few people did but the majority and the Pharesees did not...

WHat I Said was this..

"No Tanakh,,,they had no idea about the Cross until it happened..Likewise they had no idea (at first) that death was required before one has everlasting life... There will be only a few of the Church who are still living when they are "caught-up", The other members of this Body of Christ will be resurrected from the graves and reconnected to their souls. Yes, Their Eyes, the same ones that they lived with so many years on earth will see Jesus in His Kingdom.... (i.e. Job 19)

There are many places in the Bible as the Generations of Adam to Noah. Would the people be able at that time be able to do this...How about the "Cross" that is shown from the AIR or a high mtn. when one looks at the encampment of Israel....Yes, there are many but the People of that time especially those under Roman rule was looking for a messiah who would rid them of the Romans. The wanted another KING.....thus they rejected the Trinity three times....and HIS Judgement; they were partially blinded and placed in Disporia.

Yes, I use the word, but in most cases people simply dismiss it unless they are curious and ask for the verses.

 

[Bladerunner]

Now looking at history as well.
There were people in the Americas some 5000 years ago. Now if Paul had preached the gospel in all the world He would have had to have preached to them as well. As it is clear this hasn't been the case, it would mean your assumption is wrong. Our conclusion then should be that Paul was speaking of the world known to him, and not the whole world. Were as Yeshua knew of the whole world and the people that were out side of Pauls reach.
Leading to the understanding that they are the same, just seen from a different preservative.

You Said "There were people in the Americas some 5000 years ago. Now if Paul had preached the gospel in all the world He would have had to have preached to them as well. As it is clear this hasn't been the case,"

Now in ROM 16:26.."But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"

The above is the commandment Paul received from GOD and it appears ("IS NOW MADE MANIFEST")that He took it seriously as we see in the following:

Col 1:23.."If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Now both of the paragraphs in read are the WORDS of GOD.....I believe them. It is evident that You do not or at least not the way they are written....

I ask you, would it be possible if the teaching of the Gospel of Jesus was taught to all creatures, but because of the exponential expansion of the Human race, it would constantly need to be taught to the four corners of the earth.


Besides Jesus tells us through Paul, Rom 11:25.."For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

Hope you have a blessed day Rainrider

Blade

 

[Rainrider]

LOL,,,,,,the Tanakh I was speaking of is a on this forum and is a poster.

Now, what you are showing is the prophecies of the Death of Jesus....Yes, they really did study the Prophecies did they NOT,,,They did not even know when He would ride into Jerusalem. Oh, a few people did but the majority and the Pharesees did not...

WHat I Said was this..

There are many places in the Bible as the Generations of Adam to Noah. Would the people be able at that time be able to do this...How about the "Cross" that is shown from the AIR or a high mtn. when one looks at the encampment of Israel....Yes, there are many but the People of that time especially those under Roman rule was looking for a messiah who would rid them of the Romans. The wanted another KING.....thus they rejected the Trinity three times....and HIS Judgement; they were partially blinded and placed in Disporia.

Yes, I use the word, but in most cases people simply dismiss it unless they are curious and ask for the verses.

There is no way around the fact that like today, many simply don't really understand the true Word. There will be some that miss all the signs of His second coming, even go to war with Him on His return.
Rev 17:14 “These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

Sadly just as it was then, some will miss the boat simply due to their unwillingness to question what they are told by the leaders of their church. As I know full well one church teaches that all the signs of his second coming have past. this has been a sad misunderstanding of the Word, and remains that churches theology. One that no matter how much you show them from the Word, they reject all but their own teachings.
Now as for the people of Yeshua's time. They to followed what was told to them, as most then simply couldn't aford any of the scrolls. That in mind, there is no wonder that many only know the stories as they were told. Just as today, the Word tells us that we are to study.
Back to the point made from history, the Americas were cut off from the middle east at that time. Though it would be great if we could take the Word so literally, that any passage that stands in conflict with another simply shows 2 teaching there would be no need to study. That however simply how it works, if any part of the Word shows that it is not truth, then all talk of salvation comes crashing down around us.

 

[Rainrider]

Paul is speaking as moved by the Holy Spirit. These are not Paul's words or opinions but God's. Btw, the word doesn't say Paul preached the gospel in all the world, but that the gospel had been preached, not necessarily by him.

As true as that is, there is a world that was cut off the middle east. Even up until around 1960's give or take, there were people that had never heard the Word. However your teaching is great for helping to show that the TRUE WORD is wrong. So keep up the work.

 

[John146]

As true as that is, there is a world that was cut off the middle east. Even up until around 1960's give or take, there were people that had never heard the Word. However your teaching is great for helping to show that the TRUE WORD is wrong. So keep up the work.

There are people groups today that are dying off and will never hear the gospel message from a preacher or missionary. This thought that we can usher in the end by reaching all people groups with the gospel just is not true. There are many in the United States today who have never heard the gospel message, sad but true.

What does "every creature under heaven" mean? Only those known by Paul in his day? When you don't take the Bible literally, you can make it say just about anything you want it to say. That's a dangerous way to approach the Bible.

 

[Rainrider]

There are people groups today that are dying off and will never hear the gospel message from a preacher or missionary. This thought that we can usher in the end by reaching all people groups with the gospel just is not true. There are many in the United States today who have never heard the gospel message, sad but true.

What does "every creature under heaven" mean? Only those known by Paul in his day? When you don't take the Bible literally, you can make it say just about anything you want it to say. That's a dangerous way to approach the Bible.

Yes it is, Just placing division in where ever it seems right by your way of thinking.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes it is, Just placing division in where ever it seems right by your way of thinking.

Then I guess you are blaming GOD for placing the Cross in an inconvenient place in the Bible... SO SAD....

 

[Rainrider]

Then I guess you are blaming GOD for placing the Cross in an inconvenient place in the Bible... SO SAD....

So we now wish to twist the words of others. Good job, makes your point real clear.
What I have got from this thread.
1 The Bible doesn't back it's self up from one writer to another.
2 The Bible lies, after all it tells us Yeshua will return when everyone heard the Gospel, yet Paul tells us everyone has, and Yeshua hasn't returned.
3 The Bible is divided into 3 categories. That that has been removed, yet is pitched even by Paul. the Gospel of Yeshua, and the gospel of Paul. Got that, sounds way messed up but hay.
4 If we can't derail a person twist their words to say what ever we want then to say. It works when we are dealing with the Word so why not?
5 This thread is so full of it that I will not post on it again.
Am I mad or up set? not at all. Just a bit bewildered how anyone that makes the claim they use the Bible to interpret the Bible can find that Paul, (WHO GOT HIS UNDERSTANDING FROM YESHUA) can't follow the same teaching he was given. Though in all truth, it doesn't shock to see this form of thinking anymore. You see for as long as the earth has been around, Satan has done a great job of getting people to follow a lie.

 

[Rainrider]

Then I guess you are blaming GOD for placing the Cross in an inconvenient place in the Bible... SO SAD....

By the way bentblede, I blame man and his unwillingness to truly study the Word to seek only the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John146]

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

After nine chapters of the disciples going around preaching the gospel of the kingdom, we are told they do not understand the gospel which a person must trust in today to be saved. In fact, Scripture says God hid it from their understanding.

Why did God hide it from them? 1 Corinthians 2:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Satan would have never played a part in the crucifixion had he realized the outcome. He thought he was gaining the victory over the promised seed (Gen. 3:15).

Luke 24

6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

Did you catch that? The disciples thought the resurrection was an idle tale.

Mark 9
9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.
10 And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean.

Can you imagine today a preacher of the gospel of grace not understanding what the rising of the dead should mean?

 

[Bladerunner]

So we now wish to twist the words of others. Good job, makes your point real clear.
What I have got from this thread.
1 The Bible doesn't back it's self up from one writer to another.

..The Bible does back itself up from one writer to another...That is IF and only IF the READER understands the proper dividing its time periods....The Cross ended one time period (Law) and began another (Age of Grace).

2 The Bible lies, after all it tells us Yeshua will return when everyone heard the Gospel, yet Paul tells us everyone has, and Yeshua hasn't returned.

..Again rightly dividing the WORDs of GOD will give you the understanding that Jesus was teaching that the Kingdom was just around the corner. I believe Jesus firmly believed (Mainly because Jesus had abdicated His Godly Powers while He was a Human on earth) the Kingdom would come as foretold....Prior to the Cross, He told His disciples that only the Father knew of the Return of the Messiah, Yet after the Cross in the upper room, He told them it was not for them to know when the Kingdom would come about.

"Could this have been why HE ask His Father "Why have you forsaken ME" on the Cross.....

3 The Bible is divided into 3 categories. That that has been removed, yet is pitched even by Paul. the Gospel of Yeshua, and the gospel of Paul. Got that, sounds way messed up but hay.

..There are seven dispensations in the Bible...BUT you said THREE....OK I can deal with that?

The Law of Moses for 1500 years prior to the Crucifixion is #1.. The Old Testament Saints died and by the GRace of GOD (the Father) were either sent to Hell or Abram's Bosom depending upon their continued attempts to keep the Laws of Moses.

#2. The Gospel (1 cor 15:1-4) of Yeshua (Jesus) through Paul as Paul became the Apostle to the Gentiles.

and

#3. The Everlasting Gospel as recited by God in Rev 14:6. This would be for the Coming Kingdom on earth, that is after Jacob's troubles.

4 If we can't derail a person twist their words to say what ever we want then to say. It works when we are dealing with the Word so why not?
5 This thread is so full of it that I will not post on it again.
Am I mad or up set? not at all. Just a bit bewildered how anyone that makes the claim they use the Bible to interpret the Bible can find that Paul, (WHO GOT HIS UNDERSTANDING FROM YESHUA) can't follow the same teaching he was given. Though in all truth, it doesn't shock to see this form of thinking anymore. You see for as long as the earth has been around, Satan has done a great job of getting people to follow a lie.

..REm, Paul was at one time persecuting the Jewish People but Jesus sent him (PAul) to teach the Gentiles.

I am sorry you cannot see this but I would bet that it is your Socteriology, Ecclesiology, Eschatology and Israelology (considered the Missing Link in Systematic Theology) that is causing you to be partially blinded to the Literal Words of GOD.

So SAD!

 

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By the way bentblede, I blame man and his unwillingness to truly study the Word to seek only the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!

Why the slurs????

The truth of God's WORD will bear itself out for all to see. That time is swiftly making its way to all of us.