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    Did Jesus and his disciples go around preaching the death, burial and resurrection?

    Romans 16:25-26, "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"
    John the Baptist knew that Jesus was the Lamb of God.

    Jesus also began to teach about his upcoming death and sacrifice prior to the crucifixion. After the crucifixion, Peter referred to the death of Christ in his Pentecost message.

    It's a good point, though. There wasn't a solid emphasis on Christ and him crucified until after the resurrection. I think this might largely be due to the fact that Israel was still under the Old Covenant, and the Old Covenant's purpose was to lead the Jews to their need for Christ (Galatians 3). Why take them out of under the yoke of bondage until the sacrifice had been made (Acts 15:10, Galatians 5:1)? They were still under it.

    I believe a big part of Christ's ministry was to impress upon the Jews that they were unworthy under the Old Covenant and were not fully keeping it, so that when the New Covenant came, with ripping of the Veil in the Temple (symbolic of what was happening to Christ's body), they were ready to enter into the relationship of faith. Perhaps announcing the coming crucifixion would not have had the same effect upon their preparation for this event.
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    Yea...I think I heard it was counted up that Jesus told the disciples in one form or other 14 times He was going to die..but it seemed like they still didn't get it or believe what he was saying ...

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkman View Post
    John the Baptist knew that Jesus was the Lamb of God.

    Jesus also began to teach about his upcoming death and sacrifice prior to the crucifixion. After the crucifixion, Peter referred to the death of Christ in his Pentecost message.

    It's a good point, though. There wasn't a solid emphasis on Christ and him crucified until after the resurrection. I think this might largely be due to the fact that Israel was still under the Old Covenant, and the Old Covenant's purpose was to lead the Jews to their need for Christ (Galatians 3). Why take them out of under the yoke of bondage until the sacrifice had been made (Acts 15:10, Galatians 5:1)? They were still under it.

    I believe a big part of Christ's ministry was to impress upon the Jews that they were unworthy under the Old Covenant and were not fully keeping it, so that when the New Covenant came, with ripping of the Veil in the Temple (symbolic of what was happening to Christ's body), they were ready to enter into the relationship of faith. Perhaps announcing the coming crucifixion would not have had the same effect upon their preparation for this event.
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    The gospel of the kingdom is the good news given to the Jews of their promised kingdom, a literal, physical kingdom on earth where Christ is King. The gospel of the grace of God is the good news preached by Paul given by the Holy Spirit explaining the death, burial, and resurrection or Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

    Matthew 9:35, "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved,...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day according to the scriptures;"

    I also believe this to be true.
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    Luke 24:9, "And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not."

    Did you catch that? To the apostles, the resurrection seemed an "idle tale."
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    Luke 24:9, "And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not."

    Did you catch that? To the apostles, the resurrection seemed an "idle tale."

    Yep, the Kingdom gospel ( Past= during Christ earthly ministry & Future), The Gospel preached by Paul ( Present), the Everlasting Gospel (In Revelation= Future) but basically Gospel means Good news!
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    Jesus didn't go to the Jews though, he went to the House Of Israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuldesperandum View Post
    Jesus didn't go to the Jews though, he went to the House Of Israel
    He went to both the house of Judah, and the house of Israel, as Jeremiah prophesied.
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    It's important to understand the difference between the two gospels. A believer today should not apply the directions being taught to one living in the physical kingdom when Christ is the King. The sermon on the mount is Christ's "constitution" for living in His kingdom. Try applying the teachings from the sermon on the mount in your life today.
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    What did Jesus mean when he said:

    "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuldesperandum View Post
    What did Jesus mean when he said:

    "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
    Jesus was sent to be the Saviour of Israel as prophesied. They rejected Him as King and so we have the Lord turning to the Gentiles through the Apostle Paul. When the "fullness of the Gentiles be come in," the Lord will turn His attention back to His lost sheep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    The gospel of the kingdom is the good news given to the Jews of their promised kingdom, a literal, physical kingdom on earth where Christ is King. The gospel of the grace of God is the good news preached by Paul given by the Holy Spirit explaining the death, burial, and resurrection or Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

    Matthew 9:35, "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved,...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day according to the scriptures;"

    ??? The Gospel of the Kingdom is what Jesus and Paul preached, for Paul preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There ARE NOT TWO GOSPELS.............sigh
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    So let me get this straight, Jesus went around teaching in the synagogues to trust in His death, burial and resurrection? Please show me Scripture.

    Galatians 1:11-12, "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ."
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    So let me get this straight, Jesus went around teaching in the synagogues to trust in His death, burial and resurrection? Please show me Scripture.

    Galatians 1:11-12, "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by revelation of Jesus Christ."
    Seems to me the same Gospel, just Paul had his own unique style of writing and reasoning. Indeed the Galatians 1:11-12 verses good and all of the verses posted indeed. Good look. The praise is to Jesus.

    Matthew 4:23

    23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Mark 2:20-21

    20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

    21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

    Luke 9:20-22


    20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.
    21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

    22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

    John 2:1-4

    1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

    2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
    3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
    4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.



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    Seems to me the same Gospel, just Paul had his own unique style of writing and reasoning. Indeed the Galatians 1:11-12 verses good and all of the verses posted indeed. Good look. The praise is to Jesus.

    Matthew 4:23

    23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Mark 2:20-21

    20 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

    21 No man also seweth a piece of new cloth on an old garment: else the new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.

    Luke 9:20-22


    20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.
    21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing;

    22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

    John 2:1-4

    1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

    2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
    3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
    4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.


    Then please explain why His own disciples did not understand the very gospel they were going around preaching.
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    Then please explain why His own disciples did not understand the very gospel they were going around preaching.
    They did understand somewhat, just not fully so until after Jesus crucifixion and resurrection. Comparing Beloved Apostle Peter and Beloved Apostle John is a good example also for the pondering. Peter I don't think meant to try to stop it, he just loved Jesus a lot and was kinda rash, you can kinda see it with him cutting the guard's ear off. Then John loved Jesus a lot too, after all, John watched the crucifixion and of course is the writer of Revelation, the total fulfillment of the Kingdom coming which I think is part of the point with some of the others' comments here and the sort of debate through the ages about the kingdom being manifest with Jesus ministry or in the literal totality at the end of days. Both sides have good points as we can see reading the comments here. Very interesting topic either way, good look, praise Jesus.
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    The gospel of the kingdom is the good news given to the Jews of their promised kingdom, a literal, physical kingdom on earth where Christ is King
    I am trying to unpack your reasoning here John. I would say, but may be wildly wrong, that:

    1) Any Kingdom was never established for 1 special ethnic group, but for the Glory of God, and the Salvation of all men
    2) I am not sure what Kingdom was ever promised to thee Jews
    3) I would have thought that the Kingdom of Heaven refers to a spiritual Kingdom...Jerusalem Above
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    They did understand somewhat, just not fully so until after Jesus crucifixion and resurrection. Comparing Beloved Apostle Peter and Beloved Apostle John is a good example also for the pondering. Peter I don't think meant to try to stop it, he just loved Jesus a lot and was kinda rash, you can kinda see it with him cutting the guard's ear off. Then John loved Jesus a lot too, after all, John watched the crucifixion and of course is the writer of Revelation, the total fulfillment of the Kingdom coming which I think is part of the point with some of the others' comments here and the sort of debate through the ages about the kingdom being manifest with Jesus ministry or in the literal totality at the end of days. Both sides have good points as we can see reading the comments here. Very interesting topic either way, good look, praise Jesus.
    I have to disagree. They didn't understand it because it was hid from them by God. Luke 18:33-34, "And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of this things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew the things which were spoken." That's our gospel and yet, they neither knew or understood any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    I have to disagree. They didn't understand it because it was hid from them by God. Luke 18:33-34, "And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of this things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew the things which were spoken." That's our gospel and yet, they neither knew or understood any of it.
    I agree with your disagreement, for indeed that is a recurring theme in the Gospel narratives, but one thing to add. That was before the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus actually happened. So that is probably why they did not understand. I think they understood afterwards though which can be seen in their writings of the letters, Acts, and of course Paul's letters also. Sorry if I wasn't so clear in the last post. Good ponderings though, praise Jesus.

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    I agree with your disagreement, for indeed that is a recurring theme in the Gospel narratives, but one thing to add. That was before the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus actually happened. So that is probably why they did not understand. I think they understood afterwards though which can be seen in their writings of the letters, Acts, and of course Paul's letters also. Sorry if I wasn't so clear in the last post. Good ponderings though, praise Jesus.
    So the question is, if the disciples did not know about or understand the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, then what were they going around preaching? They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom message, Matthew 10 and not the good news of the death, burial and resurrection.
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    The gospel of the kingdom was preached by Jesus and his disciples. Grace and salvation are a part of the gospel of the kingdom.
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