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If it is written by the finger of God we base our lives on God not seen, the eternal. He is not served by the will of that seen
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It’s not the apostles writings anymore than the words God put on the lips of Balaam’s Ass in order to restrain the madness of that false prophet . No scripture is of private any interpretation in that way.
The Holy Spirit as our teacher comforter also brings to mind the things he has taught us. He prepares our heart and mind and moves us to search out the new revelations .When God was still brining new prophecy.
Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so. Act 17:11
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It’s not the apostles writings anymore than the words God put on the lips of Balaam’s Ass in order to restrain the madness of that false prophet . No scripture is of private any interpretation in that way.
The Holy Spirit as our teacher comforter also brings to mind the things he has taught us. He prepares our heart and mind and moves us to search out the new revelations .When God was still brining new prophecy.
Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so. Act 17:11
Jesus couldn't have done the will of GOD without scripture. He did the father's will perfectly, and look how much he exalted scripture. He had to know it to teach it.
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name. Psalms 138:2
Preaching and teaching are always the same thing as the one thing of God (our infalible preacher teacher). God is not served by human hands. In the same way as one is our father in heaven and we are to call no many father on earth the same applies to good teacher the Holy Spirit.....one is our teacher in heaven
Even the Son of man as that seen did not take away the unseen glory of God, when called good teacher but said, only
God not seen is good.
When women prophecy by declaring the will of God as the gospel of our salvation . he does the work of apling it to the heart.
If other do not respond to the gospel we will be saved as by fire.
2Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
We preach Christ he does the final work of drawing when we present His gospel. We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the word but he causes the growth if any .
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:Col 1:27
The teaching ministry we have as the things of men is brining the word and God, unseen, either draws us closer or we move back and fall away.His word does not return void but always accomplished the good purpose by which he sends it.
Even the Son of man as that seen did not take away the unseen glory of God, when called good teacher but said, only
God not seen is good.
When women prophecy by declaring the will of God as the gospel of our salvation . he does the work of apling it to the heart.
If other do not respond to the gospel we will be saved as by fire.
2Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
We preach Christ he does the final work of drawing when we present His gospel. We can plant the incorruptible seed and water it with the word but he causes the growth if any .
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:Col 1:27
The teaching ministry we have as the things of men is brining the word and God, unseen, either draws us closer or we move back and fall away.His word does not return void but always accomplished the good purpose by which he sends it.
I would offer we do not accredit the work of God, not seen to those seen, the apostles .That would be to blaspheme the Holy name that does call us to new life in Christ
I would offer God is not served by human hands as the things of men in any way shape or form . He is the the help that works in us, with us to both will and do His good pleaure (imputed righteousness.)
I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.Psa 121:1
In that way we honor it is him who works in men making one differ from the other .No self made new creatures that rise above the final authority of God as it is written .Its God we puff up not those he moves according to His good pleasure
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?1Co 4:6
Even the Son of Man Jesus as that seen resisted any attempt at being called good teacher .He said…Only God not seen is good .We walk by the unseen eternal . Not after that seen the temporal
Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
I would offer God is not served by human hands as the things of men in any way shape or form . He is the the help that works in us, with us to both will and do His good pleaure (imputed righteousness.)
I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.Psa 121:1
In that way we honor it is him who works in men making one differ from the other .No self made new creatures that rise above the final authority of God as it is written .Its God we puff up not those he moves according to His good pleasure
And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?1Co 4:6
Even the Son of Man Jesus as that seen resisted any attempt at being called good teacher .He said…Only God not seen is good .We walk by the unseen eternal . Not after that seen the temporal
Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
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Did you forget? I'm not the one with the need to control and dominate. I, along with all of you females, have to accept the fact that I, too, do not have a call to the pastorate on my life and must submit to the men who do.
If I was in rebellion to that fact like you are then I would be asserting my right to be a pastor and be in teaching authority over people like you are. But as it is, I'm not the one doing that. You are. So if anybody has a need to control and dominate it would be you, not me. I'm not the one asserting some supposed right to be a pastor that I don't have.
If I was in rebellion to that fact like you are then I would be asserting my right to be a pastor and be in teaching authority over people like you are. But as it is, I'm not the one doing that. You are. So if anybody has a need to control and dominate it would be you, not me. I'm not the one asserting some supposed right to be a pastor that I don't have.
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Yes, we all know there are examples of male pastors who do not represent the truth accurately either.
As I've said twice now, even us men who, along with all you women, do not have a call to the pastorate on our lives must submit to God's will that only certain men be ordained by him to be in pastoral teaching authority over the church.
A man who becomes a pastor who does not have that calling is no more entitled to that office than a woman is.
As I've said twice now, even us men who, along with all you women, do not have a call to the pastorate on our lives must submit to God's will that only certain men be ordained by him to be in pastoral teaching authority over the church.
A man who becomes a pastor who does not have that calling is no more entitled to that office than a woman is.
Well you are a liar. I've never said I wanted to be a pastor. All I've said is I won't allow myself to be disqualified from teaching based on my gender. Anyone reading the posts can see I am not trying to dominate anything. I am only resisting some silly men who want to "rule". You have no authority over me because I'm female no matter how much you bellow on about it.
The calling is not seperate .Its a family affair that must be proved.
No wife, no children............ no ministry .
Both offices(bishop and deacons)
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work .A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1Ti 3:1-13
No wife, no children............ no ministry .
Both offices(bishop and deacons)
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work .A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1Ti 3:1-13
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It's like you don't even listen.
I'm not a pastor, nor am I your husband. And I make no claim to either. So how does that make me think I have authority over you and want to to dominate you?
Those positions of authority belong to the men who are called to be pastors, and the man you are married to. I'm not either one of those. It's impossible that I'm 'bellowing' about having domination and authority over you.
I'm not a pastor, nor am I your husband. And I make no claim to either. So how does that make me think I have authority over you and want to to dominate you?
Those positions of authority belong to the men who are called to be pastors, and the man you are married to. I'm not either one of those. It's impossible that I'm 'bellowing' about having domination and authority over you.
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By the way, you can teach. You just can't do it in pastoral authority over men.
I've listened to and learned from women teachers, some who taught better and more profoundly than some men. It's just that they can not do that in the office of pastor or elder or overseer. That's all.
It's not the end of the world, ladies. I can't be a pastor either. And it isn't the end of the world for me. In fact, it's kind of a relief. Pastors go through hell. I wouldn't make it. I'd kill one of you first, lol. Talking to the church is like talking to a room full of 3rd graders sometimes. I thank God it's not my job to do that. This forum reminds me I do have the call of pastor on my life. You people drive me crazy sometimes.
I've listened to and learned from women teachers, some who taught better and more profoundly than some men. It's just that they can not do that in the office of pastor or elder or overseer. That's all.
It's not the end of the world, ladies. I can't be a pastor either. And it isn't the end of the world for me. In fact, it's kind of a relief. Pastors go through hell. I wouldn't make it. I'd kill one of you first, lol. Talking to the church is like talking to a room full of 3rd graders sometimes. I thank God it's not my job to do that. This forum reminds me I do have the call of pastor on my life. You people drive me crazy sometimes.
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LOL. You prove my point again with your animosity. You claim someone else to be attempting to run "roughshod" over someone while doing most of the insulting yourself. Only if you consider pointing out God's "truth" as running roughshod, am I running roughshod over anyone. I think that is your major problem. You simply do not like the truth nor do you wish to go by it, so you view anyone who speaks it as your enemy. Is your awesome respect for others shining through Lucy by the offering of the multitude of insults that you do ? Your heart is not quite as pure as you would like to believe my dear.
You think I am disqualified from certain things on the basis of my gender and you won't stop banging on about it. That amounts to you trying to control others no matter how innocent you try to make yourself sound. You very much DO keep using the word "authority" in an obsessive manner. In the meantime we don't discuss we just wrestle over one point of contention.