Are women allowed to Preach?

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Okay, then I ask.......who is the strong willed woman in your life that is driving your insistence that women are equal to men in authority in the church?

I have yet to know, personally, a man who defended equality of the sexes in the pastorate who did not have a woman in his life who was passively, or not so passively, making sure he did not deviate from her opinion about this.

There is probably a woman somewhere in your life who is insistent about this. Who is it?

Now you're projecting. No woman would ever rule me. Just the way I am. There is no woman prodding me on. I told you already, this is a discovery lesson for me.

Now let me ask you, do you have insecurities about being on equal footing with a woman? I get the feeling that a lot of men feel threatened by women.

 

[Mem]

Because, after all, everyone can read 1 Speculations 3:8 wherein it states, "Women may not be pastors."

smh...

I had to login if only just to like that

 

[Ralph-]

Time to get out the wooden clubs, throw on the bear skins, drag your knuckles on the ground, and grunt...

You left out "and drag your woman by the hair..."

 

[Lighthearted]

We are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of Christ. Because We have put on Christ. It is no Longer us but Christ. For we have risen with Him and walk in newness of life. All things being new and of GOD.

You left out "and drag your woman by the hair..."

I kinda left that part out for personal reasons...lol

 

[Dino246]

You left out "and drag your woman by the hair..."

No, that's your addition.

Which summarizes the whole of your position quite adequately, thank you.

 

[Ralph-]

Now let me ask you, do you have insecurities about being on equal footing with a woman? I get the feeling that a lot of men feel threatened by women.

I do know they can be some of the most obnoxious, disruptive, destructive people on the planet.

Contemptuous rebellion is hard to deal with in anybody, whether it's in the workplace, the home, or the church. But it is particularly hard to deal with in women because we regard them as the weaker sex. Do you know what that means? That means we respect their weakness and let them get away with murder when we know we shouldn't. And shrewd women know that and use it to their advantage.

 

[lightbearer]

I kinda left that part out for personal reasons...lol

Hey there lighthearted,
Kinda curious why what I posted was quoted with this. Help a brother out....

 

[Dino246]

I do know they can be some of the most obnoxious, disruptive, destructive people on the planet.

Contemptuous rebellion is hard to deal with in anybody, whether it's in the workplace, the home, or the church. But it is particularly hard to deal with in women because we regard them as the weaker sex. Do you know what that means? That means we respect their weakness and let them get away with murder when we know we shouldn't. And shrewd women know that and use it to their advantage.

As I suspected, Lloyd isn't the only misogynist in the room...

 

[Ralph-]

No, that's your addition.

Which summarizes the whole of your position quite adequately, thank you.

Uh, no............if you'll notice that's the woman's summary of the position. That's why I facetiously reminded Lh to include that in her post. Which she acknowledged. That is the view women have of this subject, not men.

Pay attention, man.

 

[Mem]

Because, after all, everyone can read 1 Speculations 3:8 wherein it states, "Women may not be pastors."

smh...

I'm not sure if I should be bound to by law, but thought maybe I should ask anyway, if I might have permission to quote the Book of Speculations, being that I do not know exactly who I should ask it?

 

[Ralph-]

As I suspected, Lloyd isn't the only misogynist in the room...

Uh oh........you're resorting to the ways people who are wrong use to wiggle out of debate.

Not a condescending word about the position of woman has come out of my cyber mouth. Don't make this anything beyond the simple and plain words of scripture that says a women is not to have pastoral teaching authority over a man. When you deviate from that to little digs like the above you show you are the one in the wrong.

 

[lightbearer]

Here we go again.

This....

Originally Posted by Ralph-

I do know they can be some of the most obnoxious, disruptive, destructive people on the planet.


Contemptuous rebellion is hard to deal with in anybody, whether it's in the workplace, the home, or the church. But it is particularly hard to deal with in women because we regard them as the weaker sex. Do you know what that means? That means we respect their weakness and let them get away with murder when we know we shouldn't. And shrewd women know that and use it to their advantage.

Begats this.....

As I suspected, Lloyd isn't the only misogynist in the room...

 

[Dino246]

I'm not sure if I should be bound to by law, but thought maybe I should ask anyway, if I might have permission to quote the Book of Speculations, being that I do not know exactly who I should ask it?

It's public domain.

 

[Lighthearted]

I kinda left that part out for personal reasons...lol

I don't know lightbearer...I had no problem with what you said. I wondered why that was on my reply post...

 

[Lighthearted]

Just like this appeared instead of the question you asked i replied to with this post. It's either my phone or something with server.

 

[Lighthearted]

Uh, no............if you'll notice that's the woman's summary of the position. That's why I facetiously reminded Lh to include that in her post. Which she acknowledged. That is the view women have of this subject, not men.

Pay attention, man.

What did I acknowledge?
If it was about being drug by the hair...if you must know...I felt it inappropriate to say I like my hair pulled. Geesh! Do I have to tell one everything so I can keep you from misunderstanding me and reading into something?

 

[Dino246]

Uh oh........you're resorting to the ways people who are wrong use to wiggle out of debate.

Not a condescending word about the position of woman has come out of my cyber mouth. Don't make this anything beyond the simple and plain words of scripture that says a women is not to have pastoral teaching authority over a man. When you deviate from that to little digs like the above you show you are the one in the wrong.

What the Scripture says is, "I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man". "Pastoral" isn't in that verse. Nor is "pastoral" in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. "Preach" isn't in either verse. Yet "preach" and "pastor" are continually mentioned.

If you think I'm in the wrong for believing that, it's on you to give evidence.

If we are going to discuss Scripture and its application(s), then let's begin with what Scripture actually says and not allow bias-based drift to alter the words under discussion.

 

[lightbearer]

I don't know lightbearer..

Makes two of us then...lol

Just like this appeared instead of the question you asked i replied to with this post. It's either my phone or something with server.

Okay; was just wondering. Thanks!!

 

[Lighthearted]

You see, I have no problem with male authority...it's always nice to be a team working toward the same goal though.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Uh oh........you're resorting to the ways people who are wrong use to wiggle out of debate.

Not a condescending word about the position of woman has come out of my cyber mouth. Don't make this anything beyond the simple and plain words of scripture that says a women is not to have pastoral teaching authority over a man. When you deviate from that to little digs like the above you show you are the one in the wrong.

Come off it. Since when are you interested in debate? You think you have the right to veto any argument that threatens your perceived "authority". This could be an interesting discussion if some very prejudiced individuals would learn to discuss rather than bark orders at their fellow believers. Paul the Apostle may be being unfairly misrepresented by people like yourself.