False Prophets, False Christs, False Apostles, False Teachers

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ForthAngel

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Many here deny the existence of these people that the bible so vehemently warns us about. Any passages mentioning them contains some of the most powerful and most condemning language found anywhere else in scripture. I am pleading with all of those people to watch this video and try to understand. Many of the new movements that have crept in under most peoples' radar have their roots in these very same teachings. For the sake of grace, do we wallow in ignorance? For the sake of grace, do we ignore the rest of scripture? This is not an attack on anyone, but a plea. Please heed the warnings.

Galatians 6
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

2 Peter 2
2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

2 Peter 2
Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11 whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. 14 They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16 but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

2 Peter 2
17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18 For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19 They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

[video=youtube;0ks3EdMMT48]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ks3EdMMT48[/video]
 
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This is a mistake in understanding the terms. "False" anything in the Bible are those people or teachings leading us away from Jehovah, and to another god. NOT people teaching things we just don't happen to like.
 

ForthAngel

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This is a mistake in understanding the terms. "False" anything in the Bible are those people or teachings leading us away from Jehovah, and to another god. NOT people teaching things we just don't happen to like.
Watch the video please Willie. These people are teaching a false Christ.
 

ForthAngel

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This is a mistake in understanding the terms. "False" anything in the Bible are those people or teachings leading us away from Jehovah, and to another god. NOT people teaching things we just don't happen to like.
Perhaps you can give me some examples of who you think scripture is talking about here in 2 Peter 2?
 
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Perhaps you can give me some examples of who you think scripture is talking about here in 2 Peter 2?
Certainly not all the people we point fingers at today. (As can be seen by simply reading this forum........) You can hardly open ten posts without someone calling someone else a "False" teacher, or claiming they follow a "False" Doctrine.
 
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[video=youtube;xrSXY9kNWLc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSXY9kNWLc[/video]
 

ForthAngel

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Certainly not all the people we point fingers at today. (As can be seen by simply reading this forum........ You can hardly open ten posts without someone calling someone else a "False" teacher, or claiming they follow a "False" Doctrine.
Then give me an example. Can you?
 
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Certainly not all the people we point fingers at today. (As can be seen by simply reading this forum........) You can hardly open ten posts without someone calling someone else a "False" teacher, or claiming they follow a "False" Doctrine.
I am quite amazed at people who in CC Chat who are said to be aligned with this teacher or that one, when nothing of the sort is even true..

are false accusers false prophets?? lol
 
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here is a quote from one of our brothers..mailmandan with his look at 2 Pet 2..from post #139

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eternal-security-false-doctrine-proven-7.html

Please show me the words "forfeited being God's child" or "no longer a child of God." Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature, and they have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside
 

ForthAngel

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[video=youtube;xrSXY9kNWLc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrSXY9kNWLc[/video]
Agree with the video for the most part. Read the rest of the chapter around it though. These are the same people you and others cling so hard to the teachings of. Watch the video I posted please. Stop ignoring the warnings.
 

ForthAngel

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here is a quote from one of our brothers..mailmandan with his look at 2 Pet 2..from post #139

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eternal-security-false-doctrine-proven-7.html

Please show me the words "forfeited being God's child" or "no longer a child of God." Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature, and they have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside
Stop copy/pasting other people's work and watch the video. Do you have an example of what scripture is talking about in 2 Peter 2? The video I posted shows many examples.
 
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Then give me an example. Can you?
Because Peter didn't make a list, then you feel justified in claiming anyone you disagree with is a "False" teacher? Well, you've made yourself the perfect, protected little dodge there.... just like the Westboro crowd. Anyone you want to be "False", is.
 

ForthAngel

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Because Peter didn't make a list, then you feel justified in claiming anyone you disagree with is a "False" teacher? Well, you've made yourself the perfect, protected little dodge there.... just like the Westboro crowd. Anyone you want to be "False", is.
Not anyone I disagree with. These men pervert scripture. Scripture disagrees with them. They blaspheme. They claim they are gods. Claim equality to Christ. Deny the divinity of Christ. Claim they are all begotten sons of God. Why in the face of sure evidence do you ignore the warnings?
 
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Watch the video please Willie. These people are teaching a false Christ.
You will come to see, these people largely know of these people and what they teach, and approve.

In a church I came from some members would follow the pastor anywhere. Faith was loyalty to the person not to the teaching. I learnt early on you cannot tell what is real just from one aspect by the whole package.

An example of this is a video of someone preaching and a girl as high as a kite on some emotional experience just wanting peace man and not to be so serious. The main thing is Jesus is completely founded in truth and reality not this imaginary stuff.
 

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This is a mistake in understanding the terms. "False" anything in the Bible are those people or teachings leading us away from Jehovah, and to another god. NOT people teaching things we just don't happen to like.
So if you didn't like a prophet of Baal, that meant he wasn't necessarily false, it was just you didn't like him?
 
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I want to know something, Are any of the people in the video members of CC Chat. And if not. Why are we trying to judge them to begin with??
 
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Not anyone I disagree with. These men pervert scripture. Scripture disagrees with them. They blaspheme. They claim they are gods. Claim equality to Christ. Deny the divinity of Christ. Claim they are all begotten sons of God. Why in the face of sure evidence do you ignore the warnings?
How did you manage to stray so far from 2 Peter 2? I bolded about the only place you stayed with the passage.

You can't just add your special meanings to what God says.
 
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here is a quote from one of our brothers..mailmandan with his look at 2 Pet 2..from post #139
This is just projection. Anyone who has run an evangelistic campaign knows very well people come to faith and often ask what next? The word is planted but needs to work through their life, it is not a massive shift in reality for them.

Listen to all the people in hyper-grace. They claim they spent decades in church with nothing resolved. Sounds like this theoretical idea is just that as nice idea with no reality.
 

ForthAngel

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I want to know something, Are any of the people in the video members of CC Chat. And if not. Why are we trying to judge them to begin with??
None of them are members here as far as I know. That's no excuse not to expose them as many here follow them and the movements they have started. We have a right to judge them. They are teaching heretical doctrines. Doctrines of demons. Watch the video and decide for yourself.
 

ForthAngel

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How did you manage to stray so far from 2 Peter 2? I bolded about the only place you stayed with the passage.

You can't just add your special meanings to what God says.
Let me give you a scripture to back up the other points. Claiming to be equal to God. Who else does that?

2 Thes. 2
2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[SUP][b][/SUP] is revealed, the son of destruction,[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

You don't call that blasphemy?