Is forgiveness conditional or unconditional?

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TMS

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Forgiveness of sin, meaning the pardon or remission of our sin?
Is it conditional or not if it is what is the conditions being forgiven?
 
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Kaycie

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Conditional. "IF you remain faithful till the end." It is conditional both to get and keep forgiveness.
 

p_rehbein

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.....don't know EXACTLY what you are after here........however, God's Grace is free to all who ask.....

Does asking make it conditional?

The very first message Jesus preached was.................

Matthew 4:17) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 

JGIG

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43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” (from Acts 10)



-JGIG
 

TMS

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Many are teaching unconditional Grace, (knowingly or unknowingly), But Hebs.. tells me grace cost Jesus His life.
Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Heb 9:23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Heb 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

There is no such thing as unconditional pardon of sin, and never will be. Sin is expensive and my forgiveness cost the life of Jesus. God or Jesus does not freely excuse one sin in any way. To Forgive me without paying for it would be unjust.
 

Blain

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The answer to your question will be different depending on the views of others and in the end you have to decide what to believe. Now unconditional pardon of sin ever lasting grace being seen as clean and pure in his eyes if a person is truly saved and doesn't use grace as a ticket to do as they please then yes forgiveness of sin is unconditional ever lasting so deep you could never be seen as dirty in his eyes.

Also consider that grace works in us too, if we are not forgiving when others sin against us how can we expect God to forgive us? for instance I needed a desktop and a friend of mine said he had three desktops top of the line super fast and amazing and i trusted him he only wanted 300 dollars and I get 400 to make it through the month I payed for these three and they were only good for paper wights they were super old didn't even have windows you literally couldn't do anything with them I was played.

300 dollars was a lot for me I had a hard time getting my medicine that month my other friend and my sort of mom were furious they told me I need to make him pay me back and couldn't understand why I wasn't furious. I forgave him and while I was little hurt I wasn't angry or anything I showed him mercy and didn't even bother him about it. This is a guy who has never known anyone to care about him he is a drug addict has stolen from me several times has stolen from the family has done many bad things but even so because I showed mercy and forgiveness he changed a little
 
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Gr8grace

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Conditional. "IF you remain faithful till the end." It is conditional both to get and keep forgiveness.
So as a christian you need your pound of flesh to forgive someone? or do you Just forgive because that is who you are? Not depending on the one who offended you.
 
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Gr8grace

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Forgiveness of sin, meaning the pardon or remission of our sin?
Is it conditional or not if it is what is the conditions being forgiven?
What does it take to get your forgiveness? Sorrow,guilt,penance? Or do you forgive them because of what is in you(Christ)?

As a believer, what conditions do you put on the one who offended you? Do you just forgive them? Or do they have work for your forgiveness?
 

Blain

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What does it take to get your forgiveness? Sorrow,guilt,penance? Or do you forgive them because of what is in you(Christ)?

As a believer, what conditions do you put on the one who offended you? Do you just forgive them? Or do they have work for your forgiveness?
I don't know if the op is talking about grace for us as believers or grace for people doing things to us but I would note that forgiving we should offer freely and unlimited but trusting them again is not the same
 

TMS

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Can the Lord forgive us without paying anything, is what i was asking? Does forgiveness cost God anything?
 

Blain

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Can the Lord forgive us without paying anything, is what i was asking? Does forgiveness cost God anything?
It costed his son he already payed the heavy price we were expensive. But now no it doesn't cost him anything because the payment is done
 

TMS

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The way i'm failing to direct this post is to the "Judgement seen in Heaven". God wants to save and wants to forgive us but was it easy and without any cost to God to save me, (forgiven).
 

Blain

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The way i'm failing to direct this post is to the "Judgement seen in Heaven". God wants to save and wants to forgive us but was it easy and without any cost to God to save me, (forgiven).
no it was not easy in any way and was huge cost, if you had a child of your own whom you loved so very dearly can you understand the deep pain of allowing that child to be slatered for the sake of people who could care less about you?
As for the judgment seat I don't think we will be judged in the same way of people who refused his love but if I am to be judged I only have this to say I will trust in Jesus
 
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coby

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Can the Lord forgive us without paying anything, is what i was asking? Does forgiveness cost God anything?
Yes without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. I once read in a book 'Jesus speaks' from two elderly ladies who wrote down what He told them that any time there's even the tiniest sin it's as if He hangs there again. Which does make sense with that text of crucifying Him again. It hurts Him. I always thought: Well His offer was once. That's it. As if He doesn't care if you do the same sin over and over again simply out of laziness to wrestle against sin until bleeding like Paul says.
If that is really true I think you do much more effort not to hurt Him. If I had to sacrifice a lamb every time I did a sin as a former vegetarian and animal lover ehm I think I would do much more effort, which is horrible when you think about it. Forgiveness is not cheap. I need to realize that more.
 

TMS

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Sometimes i think people are forgetting how expensive sin is and what it does cost Jesus, (To continue in sin that grace might abound). Sadly cheap grace is becoming more and more popular because it is easy on your conscience, Less preaching about giving up sin and less talk about how much sin hurts God or the damage it does. Sin has become less sinful but right from the beginning it cost the same. God told the universe that Sin = death (pain and suffering) and to make sin cheap is to make God a liar. To say that God is so loving that He will just excuse my sin, (Fixed without any payment), means Gods going against His principles of justice. Every sin will be accounted for, either by Jesus and His blood, or it will come back on us. To say otherwise would go against the principles of righteousness which holds the universe together. That so called kindness that sets justice aside would really be weakness.
 

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Sometimes i think people are forgetting how expensive sin is and what it does cost Jesus, (To continue in sin that grace might abound). Sadly cheap grace is becoming more and more popular because it is easy on your conscience, Less preaching about giving up sin and less talk about how much sin hurts God or the damage it does. Sin has become less sinful but right from the beginning it cost the same. God told the universe that Sin = death (pain and suffering) and to make sin cheap is to make God a liar. To say that God is so loving that He will just excuse my sin, (Fixed without any payment), means Gods going against His principles of justice. Every sin will be accounted for, either by Jesus and His blood, or it will come back on us. To say otherwise would go against the principles of righteousness which holds the universe together. That so called kindness that sets justice aside would really be weakness.
Reminded me of...

Stricken, smitten, and afflicted,
See Him dying on the tree!
’Tis the Christ by man rejected;
Yes, my soul, ’tis He, ’tis He!
’Tis the long expected prophet,
David’s Son, yet David’s Lord;
Proofs I see sufficient of it:
’Tis a true and faithful Word.

Tell me, ye who hear Him groaning,
Was there ever grief like His?
Friends through fear His cause disowning,
Foes insulting his distress:
Many hands were raised to wound Him,
None would interpose to save;
But the deepest stroke that pierced Him
Was the stroke that Justice gave.

Ye who think of sin but lightly,
Nor suppose the evil great,
Here may view its nature rightly,
Here its guilt may estimate.
Mark the Sacrifice appointed!
See Who bears the awful load!
’Tis the Word, the Lord’s Anointed,
Son of Man, and Son of God.


Here we have a firm foundation,
Here the refuge of the lost.
Christ the Rock of our salvation,
Christ the Name of which we boast.
Lamb of God for sinners wounded!
Sacrifice to cancel guilt!
None shall ever be confounded
Who on Him their hope have built.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Forgiveness of sin, meaning the pardon or remission of our sin?
Is it conditional or not if it is what is the conditions being forgiven?
What conditions had man met when Jesus shed His blood on the cross?
 
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FreeNChrist

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???

Is this a reference to the Law?
It's a reference to Jesus shed blood on the cross, by which He forgave sinners. The only 'condition' for forgiveness is to be a sinner, we all met that condition.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Forgiveness of sin, meaning the pardon or remission of our sin?
Is it conditional or not if it is what is the conditions being forgiven?
the penalty of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - The Apostle Paul

I think we need to listen to Paul. Remission was paid for by the death of Christ. He is offering us a gift, the only condition we have is to receive that gift,


Any one adds anything to this, they add conditions which are not found in scripture.