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Grandpa

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Most people on the BDF are convinced that they are 100% correct.
Most people who don't believe what 'we' believe are either not understanding or somehow blind to the truth.

But, what if, everyone was correct?

What if, what they believe is absolutely true for them?

Isn't this how faith works?


If you don't believe in tongues, you surely aren't going to break out into speaking in them.

If you believe that the law or aspects of the law still apply then you are going to work at them.

If you believe that coming to Christ requires no effort but all the work comes after coming to Christ then you will be hard at work to prove you are Christian.


No one can really argue someone out of the faith they have. I wonder what can change someone's faith.

Has the Holy Spirit convinced some people of some things and other people of other things? In order to get certain things accomplished at certain times...

1 Corinthians 3:6-9
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.


Those who plant don't necessarily believe exactly what those who water believe. Those who plant believe work, work, work. Plant here, plant there, get the ground ready, shoo away the crows...

Those that water, just water. They hope everything is just right for growing. But they aren't concerned with whether the ground was prepared, or whether the seed is on rocky ground or if it is deep enough... etc. They just water and look to God to do His Work. Growing the fruit.


Matthew 9:28-29

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.


Does that statement by the Lord Jesus Christ ever make anyone wonder?

By most of the threads and comments around here it seems like people are blind to this truth. Do you really think its a good idea to teach people not to have so much faith in Gods Grace? Do you really think its a good idea to teach people that they should be diligently working at the 10 commandments in some form?

I think most people mean well. I just think 90% of them are blind guides. And the 10% percent left are extremely short sighted.

Anything that is taught should be pointing to a clear picture of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and His Work. We seem to get distracted pretty quickly by wondering 'but what do we do?'.

That was the distraction of the Ancient Israelites who had just come out of slavery. Why can't those who read about all the mistakes keep themselves from the same mistakes?

How can you make the blind to see?
 

crossnote

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Grandpa, you laid your own trap..."90% are blind guides, 10% extremely short sighted": ...that equals 100%...so which one are you? :rolleyes:
 

Grandpa

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Grandpa, you laid your own trap...

"90% are blind guides, 10% extremely short sighted": that equals 100%...so which one are you? :rolleyes:
I'm both.

When I argue and get angry I'm blind.

When I love and see what the Holy Spirit is telling me, I see a little.

I'm mostly blind to The Amazing Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

But I've seen a little.

This little bit helps me to see and discern what is From the Lord and what isn't.
 
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psalm6819

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I know I'm not 100% correct but noone else is either- that being said I don't have to agree 100% with anyone to learn from them and I cannot close my eyes to truth because I don't like who it is coming from. (cf Balaams ass.....donkey)

Also, more than once Jesus said: be it unto you according to your faith or your faith hath made you whole, the Bible also mentions that unbelief (of others) hindered even Jesus. (He did not many miracles)
 
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Grandpa

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I've never called you an ass before...

Sheesh...

J/K.... I know what you are saying.
 
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psalm6819

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brat.........
 
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Just for the sake of disagreeing (at that seems to be the topic of this forum :p ) I think we are all 100% incorrect.
Well, ok, maybe only 99% since most of us agree about Jesus = salvation.

I wonder what heaven will be like when we all know how wrong we were
 
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I believe with every fiber of my being...when we get to heaven and see the Father and the Lord Jesus...we are gong to be embarrassed at the things we said and thought about them concerning their nature and heart ....when we really see them for who they truly are....we will be thanking them for the grace freely given to us...
 
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Grandpa

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Just for the sake of disagreeing (at that seems to be the topic of this forum :p ) I think we are all 100% incorrect.
Well, ok, maybe only 99% since most of us agree about Jesus = salvation.

I wonder what heaven will be like when we all know how wrong we were
I think so too.

I think language itself is a barrier to understanding. The act of putting our 'understanding' into words.

We don't have quite the vocabulary to describe the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us.

At least I don't.

Just saying 'un-merited favor' to describe Grace doesn't seem to really scratch the surface. But its a pretty good start.

I'm kind of amazed by the ancient Hebrew language, though. How each letter and each word represents a picture and an idea.
 
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I'm kind of amazed by the ancient Hebrew language, though. How each letter and each word represents a picture and an idea.
If you are perhaps referring to a book called The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible, it would be worth your while to read the Amazon reviews of it by some professional linguists.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think so too.

I think language itself is a barrier to understanding. The act of putting our 'understanding' into words.

We don't have quite the vocabulary to describe the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us.

At least I don't.

Just saying 'un-merited favor' to describe Grace doesn't seem to really scratch the surface. But its a pretty good start.

I'm kind of amazed by the ancient Hebrew language, though. How each letter and each word represents a picture and an idea.
what amazes me is how horrific the English language is as compared to both the Greek and Hebrew text. Thank God he did not write his words in english, or we would be the most confused religion on earth.
 
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psalm6819

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Matthew 13:57-58
And they were ofended by Him. But Jesus said "A prophet is not without hi\onor save in his own country and in his own house,
And He did not many mighty works because of thier unbelief."

just wanted to back up my ststement with scripture
 
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crossnote

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Just for the sake of disagreeing (at that seems to be the topic of this forum :p ) I think we are all 100% incorrect.
Well, ok, maybe only 99% since most of us agree about Jesus = salvation.

I wonder what heaven will be like when we all know how wrong we were
Even this post is 99% incorrect? Now I don't know what to believe, Waaaa. :)
 
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psalm6819

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I think so too.

I think language itself is a barrier to understanding. The act of putting our 'understanding' into words.

We don't have quite the vocabulary to describe the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us.

At least I don't.

Just saying 'un-merited favor' to describe Grace doesn't seem to really scratch the surface. But its a pretty good start.

I'm kind of amazed by the ancient Hebrew language, though. How each letter and each word represents a picture and an idea.
Absolutley!!! The letters comprising a word help to define it
 

crossnote

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I think so too.

I think language itself is a barrier to understanding. The act of putting our 'understanding' into words.

We don't have quite the vocabulary to describe the Lord Jesus Christ and what He does for us.

At least I don't.

Just saying 'un-merited favor' to describe Grace doesn't seem to really scratch the surface. But its a pretty good start.

I'm kind of amazed by the ancient Hebrew language, though. How each letter and each word represents a picture and an idea.
But without words we'd be in deeper darkness.
Look at the Eastern religions.
 

Grandpa

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If you are perhaps referring to a book called The Ancient Hebrew Lexicon of the Bible, it would be worth your while to read the Amazon reviews of it by some professional linguists.
No. I wasn't referring to a book.

I was referring to the actual alphabet and language of the ancient Hebrews.
 

Grandpa

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Matthew 13:57-58
And they were ofended by Him. But Jesus said "A prophet is not without hi\onor save in his own country and in his own house,
And He did not many mighty works because of thier unbelief."

just wanted to back up my ststement with scripture
I was thinking of that scripture when I started this thread.
 

John146

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It sure is nice to know that I have a book to appeal to that is 100% right.:)
 

Grandpa

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But without words we'd be in deeper darkness.
Look at the Eastern religions.
Absolutely.

Without the bible we are lost.

Without the bible being written in my language I would have never read it. I don't know any other languages, except for a few words.
 

crossnote

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Absolutely.

Without the bible we are lost.

Without the bible being written in my language I would have never read it. I don't know any other languages, except for a few words.
Yes, even if our understanding isn't perfect, it's better than not having the bible.