Holy Spirit - teaching and leading us into God

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PeterJens

PeterJens

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I have never really thought about what the ministry of the Holy Spirit is in our lives.

We are born with two mechanisms, love in our hearts, empathy and defence mechanisms.
Our conscience balances out our loyalties and relationships

Now we are called to follow Jesus from the heart, to choose to do good over evil, because of love.

Now conviction of sin is down to our conscience which balances out our loyalties with our morality.
Now the Holy Spirit teaches and guides us in love and morality. We are given Gods words which work through us and show up contradictions. We then sort out this conflict, guided by the Holy Spirit. His work looks like completely uplifting and encouraging, bringing blessing into our lives.

But our consciences are the one thing that shows up us as opposed to the Lord and where we fall short.
But it is not to condemn but to call to action.

Paul talks constantly about having a clean conscience and being careful not to cause a problem for a brother or sister with a weak conscience.

So rather than repressing or ignoring your conscience, Paul is saying us it in reference to how you walk and righteousness to stay true to your convictions.

What has concerned me is people saying their conscience is satan talking to them.
This is neither safe nor sensible, because our conscience is our saftey check on behaviour. It is the one thing Jesus criticised the pharisees for destroying their conscience and having no heart.

Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Tim 4:2


They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
Rom2:15
 
p_rehbein

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I am always mindful of the ministry/purpose of the Holy Spirit is in our lives.........His indwelling presence is the fulfillment of our Sanctification in my opinion.

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Galatians 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (Read More...)

Acts 2:33 - Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 2:10 - But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Galatians 1:12 - For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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This is a good way of saying it Peter! The word shows up our contradictions...this is what happens.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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It seems that 'grace' believers have solved the problem of the hyper-condemnation of their hyper-legalistic religious upbringings by completely discarding the conscience altogether. Achieve a state of mind of no condemnation by discarding the tool that GOD gives us to keep us on the straight and narrow, and then call that state of mind grace.
 
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Jesus prayed constantly..... What does that tell you we should do... Along those same lines when Jesus was baptized by John and he came out of the water the spirit came upon him like a dove..... And then the spirit took him into the desert...... Holy Spirit..... FILL ME!!!!....
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
It seems that 'grace' believers have solved the problem of the hyper-condemnation of their hyper-legalistic religious upbringings by completely discarding the conscience altogether. Achieve a state of mind of no condemnation by discarding the tool that GOD gives us to keep us on the straight and narrow, and then call that state of mind grace.
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See now to me you are double speaking.

I believe that believers have a conscience and we judge ourselves through our conscience( Bible doctrine that we have learned and applied)

Then on the other hand you fight tooth and nail that the Holy Spirit is the convicting one.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
It seems that 'grace' believers have solved the problem of the hyper-condemnation of their hyper-legalistic religious upbringings by completely discarding the conscience altogether. Achieve a state of mind of no condemnation by discarding the tool that GOD gives us to keep us on the straight and narrow, and then call that state of mind grace.
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Do you ever respond to what an op is thinking about and wanting thoughts or feedback on? You say the same exact thing over and over again in every thread, no matter what the topic is. He was talking about a lot of different things here you could focus on...
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
It seems that 'grace' believers have solved the problem of the hyper-condemnation of their hyper-legalistic religious upbringings by completely discarding the conscience altogether. Achieve a state of mind of no condemnation by discarding the tool that GOD gives us to keep us on the straight and narrow, and then call that state of mind grace.
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really??? can't one thread not mention the words "hyper-grace"????????????????????
 
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He's starting to remind me of the woman who followed the disciples around screaming and shouting...
 
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psalm6819 said:
really??? can't one thread not mention the words "hyper-grace"????????????????????
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Its a blessing in disguise. Grace believers are going to defend HIS grace. and If ONE soul in the past few weeks of this "hyper" craze sees His amazing grace, by us defending it..............its worth it.


Someone antagonizes His hyper grace, I will defend it. And I am very grateful that there are quite a few here that will "sigh" keep it up. Repetition, repetition,repetition..............its how we learn and its how we WAKE up to the truth.
 
ForthAngel

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psalm6819 said:
really??? can't one thread not mention the words "hyper-grace"????????????????????
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In his defense, the entire forum has been bombarded by hyper-grace theology and major promotion of WoF and prosperity preachers throughout the course of the past few weeks.

Some of us are getting sick of it.
 
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psalm6819

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John 14:16-17

And I will pray the Ftaher and he shall give you another Comforter that He may abide with you forever:

Even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot recieve because it seeth Him not , niehter knoweth Him;
but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

The Holy Spirit is our Comforter, teacher and the Spirit of truth, the One who illuminates the Bible for us.
 
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psalm6819

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ForthAngel said:
In his defense, the entire forum has been bombarded by hyper-grace theology and major promotion of WoF and prosperity preachers throughout the course of the past few weeks.

Some of us are getting sick of it.
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so why bring it inot this thread?
 
ForthAngel

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psalm6819 said:
so why bring it inot this thread?
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I agree with you on that. But I think the connection he made is that the "hyper-grace" camp doesn't believe in recognition of sin and the OP is stating that if we have the Spirit of God then we will recognize them. Not an excuse to start the debate here though, I agree. I just understand where he is coming from is all.
 
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ForthAngel said:
In his defense, the entire forum has been bombarded by hyper-grace theology and major promotion of WoF and prosperity preachers throughout the course of the past few weeks.

Some of us are getting sick of it.
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That is not true. I See grace being promoted, the minors that the WOF promote are not being promoted.

When is the last time you saw a thread on tongues,healings or miracles or being wealthy?


When those threads come up, I won't be on that side and will be an enemy(in their minds) But what has been presented as grace and salvation.............spot on.
 
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Yeah but that's the thing - he can't hear that what he claims they are saying...isn't what they are saying...I've watched him, and others, accuse people, watched those people say the exact opposite of what he claims they believe, setting the record straight, and its like he doesn't even see the post...it's approached and gone past the point of sensible. The conversations are downright eerie, somehow.

If someone says: the wealth and prosperity preachers are just as bad as the ones who teach we should all be miserable and wretched and not ever have a second pair of shoes, he will say something like: there you go again with your hyper satanic, hyper grace, doctrine of demons message again!

It doesn't make any sense. It's like he can't read...
 
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Stunnedbygrace

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It's rude. Peter was wanting to talk about the ministry of the Holy Spirit and lots of other things that we all want to hear and talk about.
 
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psalm6819

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Romans 8:14-16

For as many as are lead by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God
For ye have not recieved the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have recieved the Spirit of adoption where we cry Abba, Father.
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of GOD.


The Holy Spirit aslo leads usinto understanding the Bible, into freedom and who we are in Christ- the children of God.
 
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psalm6819

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ForthAngel said:
I agree with you on that. But I think the connection he made is that the "hyper-grace" camp doesn't believe in recognition of sin and the OP is stating that if we have the Spirit of God then we will recognize them. Not an excuse to start the debate here though, I agree. I just understand where he is coming from is all.
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So let's show them how the big kids do it. We'll stick with the topic of the Holy Spirit. :)
 
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psalm6819

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I think part of what the Holy Spirit does is something like reminding me to get that door for the lady with all the bags or let gramma have that good parking place or speak more gently to someone.
 
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