Can Satan manipulate matter?

[4enlightment]

Here is the thing that old earth scientists and those who follow them don't want to admit, and that is that long periods of exposure to high heats or extreme colds effects the dating methods that are used !!!

They want us to believe inaccurate dating methods are accurate, but there is too many things that effect those methods.

Also there are other examples that have happened in nature just over the past 1,000 years that prove that things don't have to take long time periods to accomplish !!!


Like plains being lost for 46 years found buried under 260 feet of ice, when most scientist say it takes 100's of years for this much ice to form.
Fossilized trees found in rock layer, not under or above, but in....
Completely un-decayed bat found in a stalagmite, scientific studies say they take years to form.
Paricutin volcano, and Searcy island to instances that show land masses can form quickly.

Especially if there were an atmospheric change that has been taken place, that the earth could of had been closer or further away from the sun, then how could they guaranteed that it is 100% correct. As the videos that I has posted, that it explains about a lot of evidence that were proven to be real evidence that were hidden or debunked due to that it doesn't fit into their belief system. And so in order to be accepted in the scientific community, you must obey its laws and serve it only. But now we has Christians that believes in certain parts in the Bible as truth, as long as if it was approved by the scientific community; but if not, then it is a lie.

 

[ember]

I would say that the devil basically has the power a person gives to him through ignorance of scripture, fear or puffing up a person by appealing to their ego. .ie. you are special. ..God has chosen you to be... (fill in the blank)

Jesus destroyed the power of death

Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
HEBREWS 2:14

The devil is a created being and as such is not all knowing as is God. Therefore, his biggest ploy is to deceive..it is through deception that people are swayed to believe "doctrines of demons"

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, I TIMOTHY 4:1

The devil was defeated by Jesus

"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
JOHN 12:32

I cannot go into all the details of this subject but scripture is clear that the devil is a defeated being and cannot have authority over the believer UNLESS the believer has given it to him

I have found nothing in scripture to indicate he can prance around, carte blanche, and manipulate anything

 

[resurrection33]

I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?

I’ve never thought of it that way, but I don’t think Satan has anything to do with that. I think one of two things is possible:

Either the world is as old as scientists say, and the Bible’s recount of creation is a metaphor, or God created a world that appeared to be billions of years old, when in fact, it was brand-new.

 

[Zmouth]

Can a glass of liquid water at room temperature [70 degrees F] freeze without be introduced to colder air or adding anything to the water? See for yourself. LINK

Do you believe Deuteronomy 4:39 KJV?

 

[bikerchaz]

Seriously?

You've basically just written an addendum to Genesis

I really don't care what you think you know with regards to special revelation...but to state the Holy Spirit showed you is an attempt to be authoritative ...

Doesn't belong in the Bible forum

as an aside...none of it actually addresses the op

Seriously? Have you never been shown anything by the Holy Spirit? Has He never spoken to your heart? If not I actually think its wonderful that you have a faith that doesn't require the leading of the Spirit in some way shape or form. Has Jesus never put in your understanding things you find you don't have the words to express and then when it is needed it is there and you can feel the Holy Spirit guiding what you are doing? And as an addendum I think not.

An attempt to be authoritative? when those in scripture needed teaching or sorting or straightening out, when things were going awry in the early church didn't Paul correct them and when He did, did he not make known the difference between what the Spirit told him to say and what he himself said? Within this premise I have the authority within me to discern whether what I say is prompted by the Spirit of God or not. The only authority I have is over my life not yours or Leelovings or anyone else reading this thread. Did I not say "pray and contemplate on this" ? We are told to "test the Spirit" and this is true we are allowed to test the Spirit of God, the Spirit that lives within us is there to be tested by us, it is part of our life with Christ. As we grow in Him towards full maturity we will need to test the Spirit more and more because we rely upon Him for everything. As we do this we know His voice and recognise Him when He speaks to our heart. He only has our best interests at heart, in and through Him we feel the love of God and the fellowship of the Son of God our Lord Jesus the Christ.

Not belonging in the "bible forum", then where? The bin?

"as an aside...none of it actually addresses the op" I think leelovings has an enquiring mind and a thirst for a common sense approach to what is in scripture, they wanted to know whether satan made the dinosaur bones as a rouse to confuse believers. I mentioned the age of the earth as have others, I mentioned the garden God planted to protect Adam and Eve, I may not have mentioned the several phases of the earth's maturing such as 'The great dying' or the asteroid that hit 75 million years ago or the snowball earth etc etc, but if God made a garden to protect them, who am I to say any more. If god can be with Shadrack Mecheck and Abednego and bring them out of the furnace without even smelling of smoke then what can a walled garden do if God made it, and I feel sure that Leelovings will be able to work this one out, if not they can pm me, I did ask if my answer helped.

But what I would really like to know is, why you answered like you did? What was it that made you so vehemently oppose what I put down? I am asking you out of love and concern for you.
24‘“‘The Lord bless you and keep you;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]the Lord turn his face towards you
and give you peace.’”

 

[Tintin]

I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?

The Enemy can't manipulate matter, he can manipulate minds to believe lies. And he does this all of the time. Not that he's everywhere (like God is) but he has lots of helpers. Also, God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Finally, natural selection and speciation are true science, but they're not evidence of evolution, they're evidence of a biblical creation eg. cat kind leads to another kind. Not an amoeba leads to mankind.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

pandora

(random unrelated rant for the sake of levity)

did zeus even tell all the earthlings that he was punishing them and why? it's not mabel the butcher's fault that prometheus decided to steal fire.

what a hothead. that's not very nice.

i digress ^^ please, continue.

 

[Tintin]

(random unrelated rant for the sake of levity)

did zeus even tell all the earthlings that he was punishing them and why? it's not mabel the butcher's fault that prometheus decided to steal fire.

what a hothead. that's not very nice.

i digress ^^ please, continue.

Pandora's jar and the story surrounding it offer more than a few echoes of the true story set in the Garden of Eden.

 

[jb]

Can Satan manipulate matter?

Exodus 7v10-12: "So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and they did so, just as the Lord commanded. And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent. But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents...."

Exodus 7v20-22: " And Moses and Aaron did so, just as the Lord commanded. So he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants. And all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. The fish that were in the river died, the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink the water of the river. So there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. Then the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments..."

Exodus 8v5-7: "Then the Lord spoke to Moses, "Say to Aaron,'Stretch out your hand with your rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up on the land of Egypt.'" So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt, and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs on the land of Egypt..."

We also see in Gen 6 how the evil angels left their first estate and created giant (human like) bodies and inhabited them for the purpose of having sexual relations with the "daughters of men," the Devil's purpose being to corrupt mankind (including the gene pool)...Gen 6v1-8, Job 1v6,2v1, 38v7, 1Peter 3v18-20, 2Peter 2v4, Jude v6

(Even, if like some, say that the "sons of God" in Gen 6 refer to the offspring of Seth (which they are not), you still have the account of the Egyptian occultists linking up with the Devil and doing the same kind of miracles!)

The Devil and the powers of darkness have power to not only manipulate matter but also create...

QED!

 

[Tintin]

Exodus 7v10-12: "So Moses and Aaron went in to Pharaoh, and they did so, just as the Lord commanded. And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent. But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For every man threw down his rod, and they became serpents...."

Exodus 7v20-22: " And Moses and Aaron did so, just as the Lord commanded. So he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants. And all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. The fish that were in the river died, the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink the water of the river. So there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. Then the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments..."

Exodus 8v5-7: "Then the Lord spoke to Moses, "Say to Aaron,'Stretch out your hand with your rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up on the land of Egypt.'" So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt, and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs on the land of Egypt..."

We also see in Gen 6 how the evil angels left their first estate and created giant (human like) bodies and inhabited them for the purpose of having sexual relations with the "daughters of men," the Devil's purpose being to corrupt mankind (including the gene pool)...Gen 6v1-8, Job 1v6,2v1, 38v7, 1Peter 3v18-20, 2Peter 2v4, Jude v6

(Even, if like some, say that the "sons of God" in Gen 6 refer to the offspring of Seth (which they are not), you still have the account of the Egyptian occultists linking up with the Devil and doing the same kind of miracles!)

The Devil and the powers of darkness have power to not only manipulate matter but also create...

QED!

Stan and his fallen friends can only steal, kill and destroy. They can't create. Only God can create.

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

I think people can take facts and manipulate them to what they already believe.

I think everything is subject to this law of faith.


People who don't believe in God, and don't want to believe in God, will build up 'evidence' in their minds to support their faith.

People who do believe in God, and want to keep believing, build up evidence in their minds similarly, through scripture...

 

[Bowman]

I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?

Blaming Satan for an old earth is a rather desperate argument for a YEC.

If it looks old, and it tests old, then it is old.

 

[kodiak]

Blaming Satan for an old earth is a rather desperate argument for a YEC.

If it looks old, and it tests old, then it is old.

I dont support the blaming of Satan for an old earth appearance. However, just because something looks old and tests old does not mean it is.

 

[zeroturbulence]

I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?

He can do whatever God allows him to do..