Can Satan manipulate matter?

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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?
 
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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?
The devil is a liar. Jesus said that his native language is lying. He cannot create...however he can and does manipulate peoples minds. The brain is his playground

Notice that Jesus did not argue with him. He simply quoted the truth of Gods word to shut him down

When people are ignorant of the Bible, they may fail to recognize the lies and so they are taken captive and this applies to the world of course but also to Christians who go about believing every wind of doctrine and follow false teachers and so called prophets

Jesus warned us many times about the need to be aware of these things ....deception is rampant
 
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Satan can't do anything without God's permission and foreknowledge. God has put limits on what Satan can do. Take Job for example, he was allowed to test him, but was not allowed to kill him. I don't think Satan can create nature, but only manipulate it in ways that we can. For example, mankind can put a drip of water in someone's loaf of bread and make it mold faster. Satan can tempt mankind to do such things.

There was talk that Satan created flies, and that Balzubub was a big golden fly statue god, and that if you worshipped it Satan would give you the power to spread disease. But God made bugs and disease as a punishment for sin. Remember how He sent a plague of flies to Pharaoh?

God is in control of all things, and that includes Satan.
 

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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?
No, he cant:
"For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

If there are proofs that Earth and Universe are old, they are old, because nature is telling us about His ETERNAL (i.e. long ages of creation are compatible) power.
 
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Here's something to think about on that subject. You ever see that movie The Exorcist? It's supposed to be based on a true story, like so much Catholicism, statues with bleeding eyeballs found to be faked, etc. In the movie, the bed is jumping up and down: this would require strength, okay? Objects are getting thrown around by some invisible force. Even what looks like a whole kettle of pea soup spewing out of the possessed girl's mouth.

If Satan can do all these things, that is, demons (no reason to believe it's actually been Satan possessing the average possessed), instead of enticing men to wars, why not just grab the guns and pull the triggers themselves? Or execute the nukes? Why are there not endless unsolved serial killer cases? Why does the devil always need man's hands for criminal malfeasance?
 
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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?
WOW, what a fantastic question, and one that I used to think about.
Time is immaterial to God, there is no time as we are subject to. "In the beginning" means just that. It is proven that we are mage up of star dust, the chemical formuli that make up a living body wasn't produced until the first super-nova and all of them since, it astounds me when I contemplate the works of God, the forming of the stars our sun and the planets, and our moon colliding with earth and the earth tilting to give us seasons, the phases of life on earth to bring us to where we are with the resources we have now, coal, oil and the precious elements we as the human race reap from the earth.
The Holy Spirit showed me a while ago that what Darwin found was the echo of Gods blueprint for creation, all the wonderful creatures He created.
I could go on for ages but, pray and contemplate on this, God bought before Adam every living thing for him to name. There were a lot more around then than we have now. Did God sit Adam down and say 'OK for the next 8 hours (or so) you are going to name animals, I want 20 per hour and you must do this until it is all done', I don't think so. It will have taken over 3 million years to get through them at the rate mentioned before, I think, know Adam would have liked a bit of time with each one, don't you? I know I would. feeling the roughness or smoothness of their skin or fur or scales or hair and thinking of a name befitting each one, I would be lucky to go through 20 a day.
Adam was also given the task of populating the earth, before he was thrown out of the Garden of Eden, Cain and Able were the first born out side the garden.
There is so much history in one little verse from scripture, but satan had a specific job to do, God made him as He has fashioned us, and all the other ministering Spirits some of which sided with satan and all of which are bound to this earth to wait the finishing of Gods purpose.
Satan does have power on earth, it is his domain and Jesus has already won the war on the cross we have to win the battle within our own hearts now.
It wasn't until after the fall that time began for us goodness knows how long Adam was in the garden, but while there time was immaterial to him as well. God planted a garden to keep the humans He had made safe, if you want specifics then you will have to wait like the rest of us for Jesus return and then we shall know all there is to know, including exactly what the fruit was that tempted them so, and who the serpent was, whether a snake or a worm, and why they cant speak now when they clearly could then.
I hope this helps, God bless.
 
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The Scriptures do not tell us how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden before they sinned and were cast out. They could have spent billions of years in the Garden. We really do not know the time line.

Does it really make a difference in your Faith that Jesus is God if the World is billions of years old or only 6000 years old?

It makes no difference if your eyes are on God and not on the World.
 
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WOW, what a fantastic question, and one that I used to think about.
Time is immaterial to God, there is no time as we are subject to. "In the beginning" means just that. It is proven that we are mage up of star dust, the chemical formuli that make up a living body wasn't produced until the first super-nova and all of them since, it astounds me when I contemplate the works of God, the forming of the stars our sun and the planets, and our moon colliding with earth and the earth tilting to give us seasons, the phases of life on earth to bring us to where we are with the resources we have now, coal, oil and the precious elements we as the human race reap from the earth.
The Holy Spirit showed me a while ago that what Darwin found was the echo of Gods blueprint for creation, all the wonderful creatures He created.
I could go on for ages but, pray and contemplate on this, God bought before Adam every living thing for him to name. There were a lot more around then than we have now. Did God sit Adam down and say 'OK for the next 8 hours (or so) you are going to name animals, I want 20 per hour and you must do this until it is all done', I don't think so. It will have taken over 3 million years to get through them at the rate mentioned before, I think, know Adam would have liked a bit of time with each one, don't you? I know I would. feeling the roughness or smoothness of their skin or fur or scales or hair and thinking of a name befitting each one, I would be lucky to go through 20 a day.
Adam was also given the task of populating the earth, before he was thrown out of the Garden of Eden, Cain and Able were the first born out side the garden.
There is so much history in one little verse from scripture, but satan had a specific job to do, God made him as He has fashioned us, and all the other ministering Spirits some of which sided with satan and all of which are bound to this earth to wait the finishing of Gods purpose.
Satan does have power on earth, it is his domain and Jesus has already won the war on the cross we have to win the battle within our own hearts now.
It wasn't until after the fall that time began for us goodness knows how long Adam was in the garden, but while there time was immaterial to him as well. God planted a garden to keep the humans He had made safe, if you want specifics then you will have to wait like the rest of us for Jesus return and then we shall know all there is to know, including exactly what the fruit was that tempted them so, and who the serpent was, whether a snake or a worm, and why they cant speak now when they clearly could then.
I hope this helps, God bless.
Seriously?

You've basically just written an addendum to Genesis

I really don't care what you think you know with regards to special revelation...but to state the Holy Spirit showed you is an attempt to be authoritative ...

Doesn't belong in the Bible forum

as an aside...none of it actually addresses the op
 
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People misunderstand evolution and Natural selection. They don't go against the Bible, just what some people claim the Bible says.


Natural selection shows God gave different organisms the ability to adapt to changing environment. It's about what genes are expressed but the genes were already present in the organisms genome

I find it interesting that overtime species are developed by degradation of of DNA diversity.

For example Darwin's finches used to be the same species but due to isolation and adaptation they splintered off to fill different niches.

To me that implies that Noah's ark could have happened because all the different species of birds could have come from 7 pairs like it says in the Bible....natural selection and evolution explains how we have such diversity.
 
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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question. Many people are convinced that the Earth is billions of years old and that all current life is a product of evolution through natural selection. In order to come to these conclusions people cite evidence that they observe in nature. Is it possible that Satan has the ability to manipulate matter so that it's easier be convinced of these things when observing the physical evidence? Could he have manipulated fossils and other things to assist in this deception?
Yes, satan can manipulate our minds and which that is made of matter. Here in these video talks about his manipulations. tatic


[video]https://youtu.be/7fhNP3FSnKI[/video]
 
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[video]https://youtu.be/69O_PBKkan0[/video]
 
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People misunderstand evolution and Natural selection. They don't go against the Bible, just what some people claim the Bible says.


Natural selection shows God gave different organisms the ability to adapt to changing environment. It's about what genes are expressed but the genes were already present in the organisms genome

I find it interesting that overtime species are developed by degradation of of DNA diversity.

For example Darwin's finches used to be the same species but due to isolation and adaptation they splintered off to fill different niches.

To me that implies that Noah's ark could have happened because all the different species of birds could have come from 7 pairs like it says in the Bible....natural selection and evolution explains how we have such diversity.
Can satan manipilate matter?

That's the question that has been asked

Apparently the theory of evolution appears to correspond to that in some darwinian observation practiced but not yet categorized

Interesting how observation becomes so subjective...not unlike a monkeys uncle
 
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Yes, satan can manipulate our minds and which that is made of matter. Here in these video talks about his manipulations. tatic


[video]https://youtu.be/7fhNP3FSnKI[/video]
he might be manipulating your mind...but he is not doing that to me

renew your mind with the word of God rather than weird youtube vids

satan and his helpers (those are actually sometimes people) suggest things...it is up to the individual to be on guard against deception

pantokrator is not the God of the Bible

This op really seems to have opened up a pandora's box of esoteric teaching, subjective musings and a gateway for trying to insert evolution into scripture
 
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This op really seems to have opened up a pandora's box of esoteric teaching, subjective musings and a gateway for trying to insert evolution into scripture
That wasn't my intention. It just occurred to me that when God gave Satan power of Job (albeit limited) he was able to do all kinds of things. That led me to thinking about whether Satan has power to do other things like move fossils or change geological stratum. Maybe he can and these things aren't off limits for him? Is there scripture that explains what Satan is and isn't capable of?
 
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A brain is made of matter. The mind is a matter of the brain. :p
The mind is the soul that uses the brain as a file cabinet.

Here's a video that a doctor talks about the mind.

[video]https://youtu.be/BjAWYg3yFlw[/video]


and here's another video that is showing how the devil works our brain.

[video]https://youtu.be/NHOQCHbFKEg[/video]
 

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Can satan manipulate matter? Thaz the question, eh? Can a "weed" growing with your rose bush place itself in such a way as to "strangle" its growth, to render it unfruitful? Or, even entangle itself in such way as to make one side of your rose bush to flower, while another side doesn't?

I would say......In a perfect world? NO!!


 
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I know Lee...it's a legitimate question

not your fault people cannot answer the actual op and have to go off on 23 rabbit trails instead of starting their own thread

I'll get you some pertinent scriptures for your op but it will take a while..I'm using a phone with a teeny keyboard

maybe some other folks can contribute too :)
 
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Here is the thing that old earth scientists and those who follow them don't want to admit, and that is that long periods of exposure to high heats or extreme colds effects the dating methods that are used !!!

They want us to believe inaccurate dating methods are accurate, but there is too many things that effect those methods.

Also there are other examples that have happened in nature just over the past 1,000 years that prove that things don't have to take long time periods to accomplish !!!


Like plains being lost for 46 years found buried under 260 feet of ice, when most scientist say it takes 100's of years for this much ice to form.
Fossilized trees found in rock layer, not under or above, but in....
Completely un-decayed bat found in a stalagmite, scientific studies say they take years to form.
Paricutin volcano, and Searcy island to instances that show land masses can form quickly.
 
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I'm just curious if anyone could shed some light on this question.
I do not believe Satan has been given permission to invent or create facts or realities.
Evolution was a useful theory to tie together similar biological traits etc between creatures and demonstrate adaptive behaviour. The danger is always extending a useful framework into defined fact rather than sticking to its limitations.

I would say this world has been so created so we have plausible deniability of God, if you choose to go that route, or you can choose to follow love and the reality of relationships. Imagine if God was there, plain as day. There would be no choice as to which way you would go, because to not go the Lords way would be stupid and He is the big cheese.

But the Lord wants a people who desire love above all things, to walk in the ways of righteousness because they are true, not because the Lord backs this option. So you world you see is very carefully constructed. What you call Satans delusion, is the Lords design, for His will to work out.