Sound Doctrine is not popular today

[Josefnospam]

Sound doctrine gets little attention now days as people would rather be entertained and hear how good they are. The truth is that in todays world all things are as they should be and the truth will go out and not return void. Isaiah 55:11 The rest is useless and leads men astray from worshiping Jesus Christ and puts the focus on men and what they do.

Worship and Give thanks to what our Great God has done, will do and is doing, past present and future. Revelation 1:8
He will save his people without fail.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Well

PART of the reason is that many of those preaching about sound doctrine are doing so while really trying to promote their own doctrine, which of often death and hell to all who disagree with them.

 

[KennethC]

Your right sound doctrine is not popular today, however the teachings of Augustine and Calvin are not sound doctrine.

Those two doctrines are running crazy and at a all time high now days, that doctrine from Calvin was fought back in the 80's by multiple churches all over the U.S. because of the false teachings it brings in.

Augustine and Calvin both taught a eternal security doctrine, but sadly it was not the eternal security that the Word of God speaks on.

They both claim that falling away/departing from the faith is impossible, that however is not what Jesus, Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude all said !!!

Also when one does depart from the faith their doctrine still has them saved through Christ, which is completely not supported by the Word of God.

The other things I have seen is saying Jesus teachings and commands don't apply to us, no more need of repentance, confession not needed, and forgiving of others not needed !!!

They completely water down the doctrine of Christ instead of build on it !!!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Your right sound doctrine is not popular today, however the teachings of Augustine and Calvin are not sound doctrine.

Those two doctrines are running crazy and at a all time high now days, that doctrine from Calvin was fought back in the 80's by multiple churches all over the U.S. because of the false teachings it brings in.

Augustine and Calvin both taught a eternal security doctrine, but sadly it was not the eternal security that the Word of God speaks on.

They both claim that falling away/departing from the faith is impossible, that however is not what Jesus, Paul, James, Peter, John, and Jude all said !!!

Also when one does depart from the faith their doctrine still has them saved through Christ, which is completely not supported by the Word of God.

The other things I have seen is saying Jesus teachings and commands don't apply to us, no more need of repentance, confession not needed, and forgiving of others not needed !!!

They completely water down the doctrine of Christ instead of build on it !!!

Why are you such a Johnny-one-note, repeating the same thing a thousand times, so intent on trying to make people doubt their salvation? Have you ever found one person who's buying what you're selling? Do you do anything productive with your life, besides 24x7 repeating yourself and refuting the Lord here, you being such a holy man of great works?

 

[Depleted]

Sound doctrine gets little attention now days as people would rather be entertained and hear how good they are. The truth is that in todays world all things are as they should be and the truth will go out and not return void. Isaiah 55:11 The rest is useless and leads men astray from worshiping Jesus Christ and puts the focus on men and what they do.

Worship and Give thanks to what our Great God has done, will do and is doing, past present and future. Revelation 1:8
He will save his people without fail.

So? Another "do as I say, not as I do" thingy? (I saw no doctrine in this. Only blaming others for something you just did yourself.)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why are you such a Johnny-one-note, repeating the same thing a thousand times, so intent on trying to make people doubt their salvation? Have you ever found one person who's buying what you're selling? Do you do anything productive with your life, besides 24x7 repeating yourself and refuting the Lord here, you being such a holy man of great works?

Kenneth is one of the most consistently accurate posters here.

 

[KennethC]

Why are you such a Johnny-one-note, repeating the same thing a thousand times, so intent on trying to make people doubt their salvation? Have you ever found one person who's buying what you're selling? Do you do anything productive with your life, besides 24x7 repeating yourself and refuting the Lord here, you being such a holy man of great works?

So what you are saying then is I should just sit back and not warn others of false doctrine ???

You do know that following false teaching will not lead to salvation through Christ ???

You claim I am making people doubt their salvation, but what I am really doing is trying to draw them to the Truth !!!

I am not refuting the Lord and by stating that makes you a false accuser, false accusing comes from the spirit of anti-Christ not the Holy Spirit.

When people don't accept exposing and correction that speaks volume's to me, because darkness does not like to be exposed !!! Those of the Light welcome it !!!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Kenneth is one of the most consistently accurate posters here.

Consistently refuting conclusions almost 2,000 years of Spirit-filled Christendom has come to on the most basic matter of salvation and claiming he has a special Holy Spirit relationship, a Long Ranger who has stated he doesn't trust anybody else but himself and his Bible. Consistently wrong, the fact of the matter, and on a campaign of raising doubt. Get off it.

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth is one of the most consistently accurate posters here.

Thank you and give that credit to God, for without Him I would not be able to have this knowledge !!!

 

[phil36]

Lol, Johnny one note.

 

[KenAllan]

Sound Doctrines went out the door in 1854 when the Catholic Church started making up false doctrines about Mary. This had to occur for the coming of the Anti-Christ who will rule the World for 7 years.

False Doctrines have taken over many churches today.

Its not impossible to depart from believing that Jesus is God. But the question is did these people really believe at all that Jesus is God? Its very hard to completely reject Jesus as your Lord and Savior once you have accepted Him as your Lord and Savior.

Also, once you have rejected Him you can never receive Him again as your Lord and Savior. Therefore all those who reject their Salvation can never ever receive it again! Once its gone its gone forever!

 

[KennethC]

Consistently refuting conclusions almost 2,000 years of Spirit-filled Christendom has come to on the most basic matter of salvation and claiming he has a special Holy Spirit relationship, a Long Ranger who has stated he doesn't trust anybody else but himself and his Bible. Consistently wrong, the fact of the matter, and on a campaign of raising doubt. Get off it.

Please do some research and study in this matter instead of listening to other people !!!

I have done research on this and eternal security as Augustine teaches was not taught before the 4th Century, and Calvin adopted his teachings but made changes to some of them and coined the phrase "once saved always saved" in the 1500's !!!

Apostle Paul taught more then any others in the NT, and he never once stated that falling away or departing from the faith was impossible !!! He clearly stated it does and will happen !!!

Just because a teaching has existed for many years does not make it correct, and if their doctrine was true and sound there would be no need for it to change over the years as it has !!!

I did a history study on what the early church taught, and it in no way taught the doctrines of Augustine and Calvin.

One can easily do a research that Augustine was an apostate teacher !!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Consistently refuting conclusions almost 2,000 years of Spirit-filled Christendom has come to on the most basic matter of salvation and claiming he has a special Holy Spirit relationship, a Long Ranger who has stated he doesn't trust anybody else but himself and his Bible. Consistently wrong, the fact of the matter, and on a campaign of raising doubt. Get off it.

I judge someone on what they say, not if they are a lone ranger, or if they constantly harp on a subject. I rarely find anything wrong with what he says. If the message is good, it's good to hear it over and over and over.

 

[Josefnospam]

Kenneth you do what you will All I a saying is that salvation is a work of God Nothing more nothing less

 

[KennethC]

Kenneth you do what you will All I a saying is that salvation is a work of God Nothing more nothing less

Yes it is and I do not disagree with that, however what I was saying is that the Word of God shows those who truly are saved in Christ their works will show that.

Disobedience to His teachings, saying His commands don't have to be kept, and even the treatment of others is a clear sign of one who has the Truth abiding in them.

The Word of God says by two to three witnesses let a thing be established, and Paul, John, and James all 3 confirm Jesus teachings and how the walk will reflect if one is abiding in the Lord or not !!!

We can even throw Peter, Jude, and Hebrews into this but it says we only need 3 witnesses........


Speaking of 3 witnesses the Apostle John gives us 3 that he says bear witness to us being in Christ, and those 3 witnesses that John mentions in 1 John 5:8 is:

1) Holy Spirit

2) Baptism in Jesus name (water immersion)

3) Jesus blood for remission

 

[ember]

Well

PART of the reason is that many of those preaching about sound doctrine are doing so while really trying to promote their own doctrine, which of often death and hell to all who disagree with them.

pretty much

pretty much

 

[ember]

Hey thanks Kenneth for making this thread all about you yet again

Do you know what a narcisstic personality is?

 

[KennethC]

Hey thanks Kenneth for making this thread all about you yet again

Do you know what a narcisstic personality is?

Do you know how to come into a thread and talk about the OP, instead of come in and immediately insult others instead ???

You seem to have a bad habit of this any more, please contribute to the OP from Josefnospam or move on instead of causing discord !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please do some research and study in this matter instead of listening to other people !!!

I have done research on this and eternal security as Augustine teaches was not taught before the 4th Century, and Calvin adopted his teachings but made changes to some of them and coined the phrase "once saved always saved" in the 1500's !!!

Apostle Paul taught more then any others in the NT, and he never once stated that falling away or departing from the faith was impossible !!! He clearly stated it does and will happen !!!

Just because a teaching has existed for many years does not make it correct, and if their doctrine was true and sound there would be no need for it to change over the years as it has !!!

I did a history study on what the early church taught, and it in no way taught the doctrines of Augustine and Calvin.

One can easily do a research that Augustine was an apostate teacher !!!

eternal security is not a calvin based theology. nor did it originate with him..

This is not a calvin or augustine argument.. Nor is it a roman cathlic one, Non of them were alive, nor were their doctrines when the cannon of scripture was completed.

The problem with people like you and others is you focus to much on men, and what they say, and not on God and what he said..

 

[KennethC]

eternal security is not a calvin based theology. nor did it originate with him..

This is not a calvin or augustine argument.. Nor is it a roman cathlic one, Non of them were alive, nor were their doctrines when the cannon of scripture was completed.

The problem with people like you and others is you focus to much on men, and what they say, and not on God and what he said..

This is why I have you on ignore, but had to respond to this one, because you show here that you do not read what another has said and thus misrepresented what another poster said.

I nowhere said that eternal security originated with Calvin !!!

Please get rid of your bias blinders and take your time and read what another said before posting !!!


I said the eternal security doctrines that Augustine (4th Century) and Calvin (1500's) is not the same eternal security that is taught in the Word of God !!!

The eternal security spoken of in the Word of God shows that it only exists to those who continue to abide in the faith of Jesus. Outside of the faith there is no security !!!

But Augustine and Calvin say that the eternal security still exists to those who are outside of the faith that have fallen away, which is not what the Word says !!!

They both also claim falling away/departing from the faith is impossible, the Word of God disagrees with that teaching, and Augustine even goes further and says apostasy is impossible. Again not what the Word says !!!

This thread is about "Sound Doctrine" therefore these two do matter in the discussion because there are many following the false doctrines of these two men and think they are following truth !!!

I don't focus to much on men, I am trying to bring those out of those doctrines because they are the one's that are putting man before the Holy Spirit and Word of God !!!