We were Predestined by God

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Romans 8:29-30
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Ephesians 1:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,

We True Believers were Predestined by God to accept Jesus as our Lord and Saver. He chose us first, we did not chose Him.

Ephesians 1:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love
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eternally-gratefull

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Just remember, God did not just chose people. He had a reason. Scripture calls that because he foreknew..

God does not just send people to hell randomly, and chose to save others randomly..
 
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"Many are called.........Few are chosen." Does this mean that if one is among the "called", one is not saved?

God FORBID!

Does this mean that there could possibly be a "governmental structure" in the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Light?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfC9m2h-SYQ

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Not one person was predestined for eternal life. The Church, the body of Christ, was predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ which is the adoption, the redemption of our body. Once you are in the body of Christ, your destination is set. It hasn't happened yet.

God chose the Church, the body of Christ (not individuals) before the foundation of the world.

KenAllan said:
Romans 8:29-30
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Ephesians 1:11
[SUP]11 [/SUP] In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,

We True Believers were Predestined by God to accept Jesus as our Lord and Saver. He chose us first, we did not chose Him.

Ephesians 1:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love
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John146 said:
Not one person was predestined for eternal life. The Church, the body of Christ, was predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ which is the adoption, the redemption of our body. Once you are in the body of Christ, your destination is set. It hasn't happened yet.

God chose the Church, the body of Christ (not individuals) before the foundation of the world.
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Well since the body is composed of individuals. If individuals were not chosen, then neither was the body .

We have eternal life, and con continue in the hope of this same eternal life. Because it was predestined..
 
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8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

 
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God does not predestine us to be in Christ but God predestines us when we are in Christ. This doctrine is really hard on those who teach that salvation can be lost.

Man has an obligation to choose as a result of the fall. Man was given the knowledge of good and evil this makes man responsible to choose whom he will serve. After man chooses he is predestined in Christ or in condemnation.

John chapter three make this clear in verses eighteen to twenty one. John chapter one tells us that God lights every man giving them the ability to choose between light and darkness.

God knows who will and who will not choose but God does not compel man to choose only to exercise mans free will to choose.

For the cause of Christ
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For the cause of Christ
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Before the foundation of the world, God decided to use Jesus Christ to redeem those who would trust in Him. Those who would trust in Him make up the body, the Church. Christ is God's elect.


eternally-gratefull said:
Well since the body is composed of individuals. If individuals were not chosen, then neither was the body .

We have eternal life, and con continue in the hope of this same eternal life. Because it was predestined..
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phil36 said:
8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
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"....And there he was..he who deceived the whole world.".....er something to that effect. Point being, beings the "whole world" was/is deceived, does this include those who are IN the world (and not of the world), or those who are IN the world, and OF the world?
 
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Before the foundation of the world, God decided to use Jesus Christ to redeem those who would trust in Him. Those who would trust in Him make up the body, the Church. Christ is God's elect.
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Yes, So he predestined those to eternal life. in Christ..They had eternal life the moment God chose to predestine them to it. In eternity past

 
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He predestines a person the moment they trust in Christ and are joined to the body of Christ, not before. God chose this method before the foundation of the world.

eternally-gratefull said:
Yes, So he predestined those to eternal life. in Christ..They had eternal life the moment God chose to predestine them to it. In eternity past
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notuptome said:
God does not predestine us to be in Christ but God predestines us when we are in Christ. This doctrine is really hard on those who teach that salvation can be lost.

Man has an obligation to choose as a result of the fall. Man was given the knowledge of good and evil this makes man responsible to choose whom he will serve. After man chooses he is predestined in Christ or in condemnation.

John chapter three make this clear in verses eighteen to twenty one. John chapter one tells us that God lights every man giving them the ability to choose between light and darkness.

God knows who will and who will not choose but God does not compel man to choose only to exercise mans free will to choose.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For the cause of Christ
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Hi Roger, wht would be the point of predestinating someone after the they have chosen...that would make it
post - estinating.. do you see the point?

Secondly, if salvation was down to mans choice, that would mean that the cross was only had the potential to save..as no one might in fact choose Jesus...in fact the bible does tells us no one does good - no one seeks after God. It would also mean tht God would not actually know the future and he also could not determine His purpose..because he would have to take a back seat and wait and see if any would actually choose him..from their sinful nature.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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He predestines a person the moment they trust in Christ and are joined to the body of Christ, not before. God chose this method before the foundation of the world.
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No, He predestined them in time past.

Based on foreknowledge.

Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I was predestoned to be conformed to the image of his son, Because God foreknew who I was..

why do people want to belittle God and say he who claims to know ALL things, does not know all things? Either God is omniscient or not..
 
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Hi Roger, wht would be the point of predestinating someone after the they have chosen...that would make it
post - estinating.. do you see the point?

Secondly, if salvation was down to mans choice, that would mean that the cross was only had the potential to save..as no one might in fact choose Jesus...in fact the bible does tells us no one does good - no one seeks after God. It would also mean tht God would not actually know the future and he also could not determine His purpose..because he would have to take a back seat and wait and see if any would actually choose him..from their sinful nature.
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It all comes down to Gods omniscient power.

when push came to shove, Would the person chose to receive Christ, or remain in their sin and deny Christ..

God know all this before he laid the foundations of the earth.

People read to much into it, things that are not there.
 
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phil36 said:
Secondly, if salvation was down to mans choice, that would mean that the cross was only had the potential to save..as no one might in fact choose Jesus...in fact the bible does tells us no one does good - no one seeks after God. It would also mean tht God would not actually know the future and he also could not determine His purpose..because he would have to take a back seat and wait and see if any would actually choose him..from their sinful nature.
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Could almighty God choose to act in this manner? Would that make Him any less?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes, So he predestined those to eternal life. in Christ..They had eternal life the moment God chose to predestine them to it. In eternity past
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There's a little more to it then that, EG. But, basically? YES!! For those who have been predestined? There are only 2 options!
 
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There's a little more to it then that, EG. But, basically? YES!! For those who have been predestined? There are only 2 options!
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No, For the whole of humanity, there are only two options.

No one will have an excuse, Paul makes this clear in romans 1.. You will not go to heaven, and say you did not chose me so I had no chance to be saved,, You did.. Everyone did..
 
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He knows the number of the hairs on our head. Ok.

It seems to me that the problem with the idea of predestination is that humans make choices. We have free will. Throws a monkeywrench into the whole idea. People don't like the idea that their lives are on rails no matter what they do.

Thing is, God is more than intelligent enough to understand the ins and outs of the character of his creations, and such a father!

WE have trouble grasping it because we don't have the resources that God does. This debate is ages old, and IMHO it's an issue of conflict because people have trouble with faith in general, all of us as far as i know.
 
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phil36 said:
Hi Roger, wht would be the point of predestinating someone after the they have chosen...that would make it
post - estinating.. do you see the point?

Secondly, if salvation was down to mans choice, that would mean that the cross was only had the potential to save..as no one might in fact choose Jesus...in fact the bible does tells us no one does good - no one seeks after God. It would also mean tht God would not actually know the future and he also could not determine His purpose..because he would have to take a back seat and wait and see if any would actually choose him..from their sinful nature.
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God knows who will come to Christ and be saved and who will reject Christ and be condemned.

God does not make the choice for us. God declared before the world was created that those who accepted Jesus Christ would be saved and inherit eternal life. God also knew that Adam would exercise his free will to sin against God. God allowed it to happen because God had a plan to redeem Adams race.

God does not create men to destroy them but to love them and save them. God is going to destroy sin and men who will not forsake their sin will be destroyed with their sin.

The focus of predestination is Christ not man.

For the cause of Christ
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Quite sad to see so many people in a bible forum teaching doctrines they have no understanding of.
 
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