Can Christians be possessed by devils?

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Chuckt

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#41
Try to argue away but Hebrews 6:4-8 and even Hebrews 3:12-14 are very clear in what they say, do not let men effect the simplicity that is stated in scripture.

The Holy Spirit makes understanding simple not all complicated, men make things complicated !!!
The first three verses talk about "us":


Hebrews 6:1 ¶ Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.


The next couple of verses talk about "them". It is talking about the Jewish or Hebrew believers who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift. It is not talking about us because if you study the Bible there are words "turn" and "return" because there are exortations to come back to God like the parable of the prodigal son who returned. John tells us in 1 John 1:8-9 that if any man sins that and if we confess our sins He is faithful to forgive us and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. And Hebrews 4:15 says "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. " so the Bible has opportunities for forgiveness, healing, restoration and the opportunity to turn back to God. These verses can't be saying that if we fall away then it is over. 1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


Hebrews 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.


We aren't part of this. There are five participles here:
for those who were once enlightened
have tasted of the heavenly gift
tasted the good word of God
and have fallen away (the word "if" here can mean "and" as in "and have fallen away")


If doesn't say,"if they shall fall away". The word "If" can mean "and" and I looked it up.


Hebrews 6:9 ¶ But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.


As believers, we have gone on in the basic things. We know the truth in regards to Christ.


It is written to a group of Jewish believers that came to a knowledge of the truth. They tasted of the heavenly gift. They were made partakers of the Holy Ghost. They had fallen away. They tasted and had fallen away. It is impossible to renew them again to repentance.


They joined the ranks of those of Pontius Pilate and the High Priest before the and those before the crucifixion. If you've come into that much light and that much reality and then you fall away and go back to the Levitical system, you're numbered among those who crucified the son of God because you're saying He's not the son of God. What would there be to go back to?


We've moved onto the truth.


-My notes from Pastor Joe's MP3 online.


There are four classes if conditional clauses:


1. 1st class conditional clause is the condition of fact. May be translated "since"
2. 2nd class conditional clause is a condition contrary to fact.
3. 3rd class conditional clause is a condition of high probability
4. 4th class conditional clause is a condition of low probability


The Greek ei with the indicative denotes actual rather than potential condition, and in some versions is translated "since," e.g., Col 3:1, NIV.
 
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Chuckt

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#42
Apostle James says we can...............James 1:14-16
James 1:14-16King James Version (KJV)

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

These verses speak nothing about demon possession.
 
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Chuckt

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#43
As far as I know, there is only one devil. Usually people would say a person is possessed by demons.

My own personal experience is that people aren’t so much possessed by demons as they are slaves of sin. They are in the habit of sinning, and don’t even realize what they are doing is wrong. When we sin, we become victims of the consequences of our in, which can be extremely severe if the sin is serious enough.

I am no expert on this demon stuff. I did once have a drinking problem, and one night I said I was going to stop drinking after six beers. I didn’t. I woke up in the middle of the night, and there seemed to be demons in my head. I haven’t had a drop of alcohol (except for Communion) since.
1 Corinthians 7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

People sin well without blaming the devil. People should stop blaming the devil and own up to their own sin.
 

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We live in dark World.As we know, not to many Christians are realised that.As we know, we have the internal fight between the powers of darkness and the powers of light.As a Christians, we have to stay protected from all kind of evil. Ignoring this rule became the spiritual issue for many Christians. It's doesn't matter How long we're Christians.We must stay protected from evil spirits according His Word. I don't talk about faux,who open the door for satan voluntarily.It's another topic to talk., Let's take a read what Bible say about this one; KJV.Ephesians 5;10-18 10.Finally,my brethen,be strong in the Lord,and in the Power of His might.11.Put on the whole armour of God,that you may be able to stand aganst the wiles of the devil.12.For we wrestle not aganst flesh and blood,but aganst powers,aganst the rulers of the darkness of this World,aganst spiritual wickedness in hight places.13.Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God,that you may be able to withstand in the evil day,and having done all,to stand.14.Stand therefore,having your loins gird about with truth,and having on the breastplate of righteousness;15.And you feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel of Peace;16.Above all,taking the shild of faith,wherewith you shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.17.And take the helmet of Salvation,and the sword of Spirit,which is the Word of God;18.Praying always with all prayer and supplications in the Spirit,and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplications for all saints;. From this werses, we can see who we are in this way.We're Spirituals Warriors aganst powers of darkness of this World.Our foe is Satan.All of His spirit must be confronted.We going winn this buttle because Jesus Christ is winner.He is our Commander Officer.Of couse, we stay free in this way. What we going inherit in the future if we're going fight like that; KJV.Revelation21;7, 7.He that overcometh shall inherit all things;and I will be His God,and He shall be my Son.