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I learn a long time ago that our gathering together with our Lord and His second coming can be a very divisive subject.
A forum is not the place to discuss it. It would best be discussed and studied on a face to face basis.
I stated my belief. I pray those who disagree with me will remain in fellowship with me.
A forum is not the place to discuss it. It would best be discussed and studied on a face to face basis.
I stated my belief. I pray those who disagree with me will remain in fellowship with me.
I'm mainly just having fun... We all have differing views regarding Eschatology, however, its not a salvific issue (as Angela pointed out), as in the sense that your view won't gain or lose your salvation. Amil, premil and post mil have been around for a long time..and debated for a long time aswell lol. Dispensationalism on the other hand is a new system?
Personally I lean mid trib. The Trumpets and seals are called judgments, and God says we will see judgment. The bowls are called wrath, which God specifically says we will be spared.
And yes there will be some who survive even His Wrath.
People think the 'rapture' will involve large numbers of people, but it will be a very small number who survive to see it.
And yes there will be some who survive even His Wrath.
People think the 'rapture' will involve large numbers of people, but it will be a very small number who survive to see it.
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Have you considered those Jews who God hides from the man of sin, who will accept Him as the Messiah at His coming?
They are not believers and will not be gathered with the saints but will be alive in the flesh after His coming.
Could it not be that they will repopulate the earth during Jesus 1000 reign as He sets on David's throne in Jerusalem?
They are not believers and will not be gathered with the saints but will be alive in the flesh after His coming.
Could it not be that they will repopulate the earth during Jesus 1000 reign as He sets on David's throne in Jerusalem?
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Yah right, and the gospel has been preached to the whole world as well then like Paul said five times 2000 years ago? Nope. The world referred there also to the civilized world or Roman Empire as Paul did not lie back then about the world been reached with the gospel. He said this five times and I quote from scripture.
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Roman 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Col. 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
The word wrath never ever appears in Scripture before Mt Sina when the Law was given. God was saddened of grives with Sodom and Gomarra, with Babylon etc but the word wrath never apears, even when the Israelites where worshiping in Egypt sacred idols as they were under the Abrahamic Covenant. Then in the New Covenant Jesus took all the wrath of God, He paid for it. God is not schizophrenic and gets angry all over again. Now way. Jesus said, It is finished!!! Paid in full. Besides, He was the last sacrifice Ones and for All.
Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Roman 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
Col. 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
The word wrath never ever appears in Scripture before Mt Sina when the Law was given. God was saddened of grives with Sodom and Gomarra, with Babylon etc but the word wrath never apears, even when the Israelites where worshiping in Egypt sacred idols as they were under the Abrahamic Covenant. Then in the New Covenant Jesus took all the wrath of God, He paid for it. God is not schizophrenic and gets angry all over again. Now way. Jesus said, It is finished!!! Paid in full. Besides, He was the last sacrifice Ones and for All.
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if they are unbelievers, they would be killed with the rest of the world.. Only those who are saved remain.. And if they are saved they would be raptured. According to post trib rapture.
Scripture says immediately after jesus return, Nations are established, and those who live in nations who went after Jerusalem will still be alive (those saved who endured to the end)
If only jews are saved, then they are not returned to their land as promised bust still scattered.
J
Point is, it's really pernicious, the post-tribulation teaching, shreds all sorts of scripture. There's nothing to pray to escape, because you won't. You don't need to be ready for the Lord to come unexpectedly for His bride at any time, as the Lord taught, because He won't, standing corrected by the message board post-tribber. Makes a fool of the first century church, who believed the Lord may come in their lifetime, Paul thought maybe. But who's Paul, right? What's more, what the Lord instructed to pray for, forget about it.
J
In any event, before the eventuality the lights could go out, seeing our world as it stands, you that have eyes to see, and ears to hear, this thread is also for you. Don't forget to pray for and love His appearing, as the Lord Jesus commanded us all to do. Be prepared. It's much more than some debate.
Luke 21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:34-36 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
J