Healing: A Question to Ponder

[BenFTW]

What is largely being promoted by some on this forum is the law of attraction made popular by Helena Blavatsky.

We need to be careful what we are accepting as biblical truth and stop twisting scripture.

Expectation was written about in the word of God far before that book was released. "The Secret." Most of those types of books steal from the bible but deny the Creator. They make a "god" of the laws God put in place in the earth, worshipping creation and not its Maker. Such things as sowing and reaping, they think it is themselves and the universe blessing them, when it was God who put that spiritual principle in effect. Yet, the treat the universe as an entity when it is just God who set forth spiritual laws in the universe.

You see, not one thing of what I have said is the "law of attraction", its what God calls belief and faith. Even expectation. They stole it from God, and deny the Source of such truth. Some of the first books ever written on the "law of attraction" actually used to use God instead of "Universe" but because the authors wanted a wider audience they replaced the Lord with universe. In this way they have had a love of money instead of people, denying the Lord for gain at the cost of souls.

You really do love to assume what I believe and use a lot of terms to try to discredit me. VVhat are you afraid of?

 

[ForthAngel]

Expectation was written about in the word of God far before that book was released. "The Secret." Most of those types of books steal from the bible but deny the Creator. They make a "god" of the laws God put in place in the earth, worshipping creation and not its Maker. Such things as sowing and reaping, they think it is themselves and the universe blessing them, when it was God who put that spiritual principle in effect. Yet, the treat the universe as an entity when it is just God who set forth spiritual laws in the universe.

You see, not one thing of what I have said is the "law of attraction", its what God calls belief and faith. Even expectation. They stole it from God, and deny the Source of such truth. Some of the first books ever written on the "law of attraction" actually used to use God instead of "Universe" but because the authors wanted a wider audience they replaced the Lord with universe. In this way they have had a love of money instead of people, denying the Lord for gain at the cost of souls.

You really do love to assume what I believe and use a lot of terms to try to discredit me. VVhat are you afraid of?

Ironic though, don't you think, that the church for 2000 years has rejected what you are teaching here, and only starting accepting it when it was introduced by the Christian Science cult. Do you even know the history of the church or the roots of the movements you are a proponent of? I highly doubt you do. Trace the roots of your movements and they are not from the mainline of Christianity. The are schisms born of heresy. Do you know what the church taught as doctrine up until this nonsense was introduced? Highly doubt you do. And if you do, you are all the more guilty of spreading false doctrine.

Not afraid of anything by the way. What I worry about are the corrupted teachings flooding these message boards and the new/seeking Christians buying into them.

 

[BenFTW]

Ironic though, don't you think, that the church for 2000 years has rejected what you are teaching here, and only starting accepting it when it was introduced by the Christian Science cult. Do you even know the history of the church or the roots of the movements you are a proponent of? I highly doubt you do. Trace the roots of your movements and they are not from the mainline of Christianity. The are schisms born of heresy. Do you know what the church taught as doctrine up until this nonsense was introduced? Highly doubt you do. And if you do, you are all the more guilty of spreading false doctrine.

Not afraid of anything by the way. What I worry about are the corrupted teachings flooding these message boards and the new/seeking Christians buying into them.

I've never understood how people can be so close-minded to think that all revelation was released at the beginning of it all, and not hold to a perspective of progressive revelation. Not that its "new" but our eyes have just been open to whats been there all along. Sort of like with "saved by grace through faith" and even now, the revelation of Jesus and His grace sweeping the earth setting people free from dead works and religion. It seems reformation is alive and well and God is orchestrating it.

 

[Grace777x70]

Ben...what are your thoughts on this video about why some are not healed?....

[video=youtube;67B_iQr-wWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67B_iQr-wWE[/video]

 

[BenFTW]

Ben...what are your thoughts on this video about why some are not healed?....

[video=youtube;67B_iQr-wWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67B_iQr-wWE[/video]

I agree with it. Experience does not trump the word of God. If you aren't having results, seek the Lord on the solution. Too often people relegate truth to congregational experience over the truth of God's word. They say, "If God provides why are people poor in the congregation?" So I might ask such a person, are you calling God a liar?

Just because your experience doesn't align with God's word, it doesn't make it false. It means something has gone amiss that you aren't walking in the truth, and that very thing could be faith. If you don't believe, pray that God grants you the ability to do so. To give you boldness, to step out in a gift of faith to experience that which His word offers.

How quick people let their experience override God's truth and they quickly hold to a doctrine that protects them and puts into question God. As Dan Mohler suggested. They couldn't possibly think they are at fault, but in their doctrinal security they put doubt on God's faithfulness. They tried tithing, it didn't work. They received prayer, still not healed. They sought the Lord, not an answer. All these lack of results puts God into question, in their mind, and they don't want that. He is God!

So, what do they do? They settle for less than the truth, so as to not give self-reflection. They wouldn't dare blame God, rightfully so, but neither would they look in the mirror. So they make a doctrine of God whereby it is no longer a matter of using faith, but simply relying on His mercy. Sometimes he does, sometimes not. They have no boldness to step out in faith, but say, "if it be His will." Accountability discarded.

 

[Gr8grace]

How quick people let their experience override God's truth and they quickly hold to a doctrine that protects them and puts into question God.

And this is what we are witnessing today. Experience/emotions/sight is overriding solid bible doctrine.

Healing wasn't designed for the purpose of alleviating suffering( a benefit though) is was to verify to a people who "needed" signs and wonders that their Messiah had come.

Healing is NOT the order of this day. It is Bible doctrine. Bible doctrine has the solutions for EVERYTHING in this life.

And I wouldn't use Mark 16:9-20 to form any doctrines. It isn't in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.

But verse 20 is curious.

King James Bible
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working withthem, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

We have the word confirmed to us through the completed Canon. We don't need signs and wonders any longer.

 

[coby]

Ironic though, don't you think, that the church for 2000 years has rejected what you are teaching here, and only starting accepting it when it was introduced by the Christian Science cult. Do you even know the history of the church or the roots of the movements you are a proponent of? I highly doubt you do. Trace the roots of your movements and they are not from the mainline of Christianity. The are schisms born of heresy. Do you know what the church taught as doctrine up until this nonsense was introduced? Highly doubt you do. And if you do, you are all the more guilty of spreading false doctrine.

Not afraid of anything by the way. What I worry about are the corrupted teachings flooding these message boards and the new/seeking Christians buying into them.

The organized church rejected the power of God, because that was easier, they wouldn't be persecuted anymore. Time to go back to how it was in Acts, the last reformation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzZv-XMXPU

 

[Grace777x70]

Thanks for the video on church history....

The organized church rejected the power of God, because that was easier, they wouldn't be persecuted anymore. Time to go back to how it was in Acts, the last reformation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzZv-XMXPU

 

[Grace777x70]

I just finished it and it is so true how religion has taken parts away from scripture. I found it interesting where he showed all of the "revivals" dwindled out and formed a religion within themselves afterward. There is no doubt we need the gifts/manifestations of the Holy Spirit to be in operation as He wills. Just like RickyZ says....the teaching that the gifts of the Holy Spirit being not for today is very dangerous to authentic Christianity which is living from the life and grace of Christ inside us. It is most definitely antagonistic to the revelation of Christ and His finished work.

Originally Posted by coby

The organized church rejected the power of God, because that was easier, they wouldn't be persecuted anymore. Time to go back to how it was in Acts, the last reformation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzZv-XMXPU

Thanks for the video on church history....

 

[Depleted]

Amen......well said....I just heard a testimony where a teacher received a word of knowledge ( one of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in 1 Cor 12 ) for another believer and it was to do with something she was to do naturally...and that healed her.

God wants us well and whole and He will do whatever He can to get us that way...but we have to work with Him and the way He has for us..

"Wants us?" "Whatever he can?" Sorry, I believe in the God who gets everything he wants, and isn't hindered by what people can and can't do.

He's not against doctors, since he had one write a couple of his books, but that same doctor spent a lot of time telling of God's miracles. I didn't spend the last 17 years doing nothing but waiting for that miracle. I pursued both the miracle and medical help, but dagnabit, if it's going to be a miracle, I won't need medical help!

GOD DOES MIRACLES! When he does them, they defy the "laws of nature." They are instantaneous. BUT, he also gives us doctors to help if the miracle isn't his plan. If my UTI wasn't instantaneously healed, I would have called my doctor for more antibiotics to treat it. If God heals my back, I won't need the drugs that curb my pain. If Blue Ladybug doesn't want to believe in miracles apart from the field of medicine, she doesn't have to, but I'm not going to accept God doesn't do miracles simply because she is basing what she believes on her results. And, I'm really really not going to accept God is limited in his ability to help us by US. God is still free to give Blue Ladybug that miracle. He is still free not to. His sovereignty is not hampered by her. His sovereignty isn't hampered by any of us, so please stop giving God wiggle room. He doesn't need it and he's not pinned in by our wills.

 

[blue_ladybug]

"Wants us?" "Whatever he can?" Sorry, I believe in the God who gets everything he wants, and isn't hindered by what people can and can't do.

He's not against doctors, since he had one write a couple of his books, but that same doctor spent a lot of time telling of God's miracles. I didn't spend the last 17 years doing nothing but waiting for that miracle. I pursued both the miracle and medical help, but dagnabit, if it's going to be a miracle, I won't need medical help!

GOD DOES MIRACLES! When he does them, they defy the "laws of nature." They are instantaneous. BUT, he also gives us doctors to help if the miracle isn't his plan. If my UTI wasn't instantaneously healed, I would have called my doctor for more antibiotics to treat it. If God heals my back, I won't need the drugs that curb my pain. If Blue Ladybug doesn't want to believe in miracles apart from the field of medicine, she doesn't have to, but I'm not going to accept God doesn't do miracles simply because she is basing what she believes on her results. And, I'm really really not going to accept God is limited in his ability to help us by US. God is still free to give Blue Ladybug that miracle. He is still free not to. His sovereignty is not hampered by her. His sovereignty isn't hampered by any of us, so please stop giving God wiggle room. He doesn't need it and he's not pinned in by our wills.

​Lynn, I absolutely believe in miracles. I never said I didn't. Each one of us is a miracle in itself. Personally, God has worked many miracles in my life. Do I believe that God works miracles for us ALL the time? NO. But SOMETIMES he does.

 

[Depleted]

Expectation was written about in the word of God far before that book was released. "The Secret." Most of those types of books steal from the bible but deny the Creator. They make a "god" of the laws God put in place in the earth, worshipping creation and not its Maker. Such things as sowing and reaping, they think it is themselves and the universe blessing them, when it was God who put that spiritual principle in effect. Yet, the treat the universe as an entity when it is just God who set forth spiritual laws in the universe.

You see, not one thing of what I have said is the "law of attraction", its what God calls belief and faith. Even expectation. They stole it from God, and deny the Source of such truth. Some of the first books ever written on the "law of attraction" actually used to use God instead of "Universe" but because the authors wanted a wider audience they replaced the Lord with universe. In this way they have had a love of money instead of people, denying the Lord for gain at the cost of souls.

You really do love to assume what I believe and use a lot of terms to try to discredit me. VVhat are you afraid of?

No, you use the words of those same authors. Where is "actualized" in the Bible? Where in the Bible does it say "believe in the miracle and then wait around until you see it because it will come eventually?"

Hubby and I love Pink Floyd. We used to listen to the Wall every day for months. The words sunk in. The words are depressing, doom and gloom, hopelessness. We stopped listening because it started becoming a part of who we were. And then we had to replace it back with God's words and the hope of God.

Your problem is you've read too many of those books and now part of them have sunk into you. You haven't delved back into God enough to know some of those words stuck.

Remember me saying "obtain" and "actualize" are in the same ballpark, but not the same word? You're stuck with a lot of word and a lot of thoughts that parallel God's ballpark, but aren't of God and you haven't yet figured out how to notice the difference and get rid of the lie.

And yet, you presume to teach people this crap when some of us have already been-there-done-that-didn't-like-the-T-shirt!

I'm doing two things here:
1. Letting you know the T-shirt is inferior product that will cause long term problems.
2. Make sure others don't buy into this self-help sales pitch that doesn't work.

Back when The original Star Wars came out, many believers said "The Force is God." Hell no! God doesn't balance good and evil. It's 40 some years later and some are still thinking the force is God, because they never bothered to grow out of that. And, because they haven't, they are lost and have taught others how to be lost.

Your pitch is simply a newer pitch from the next decade -- the 1980's. Each decade has one. It still doesn't make it God's truth.

 

[skylove7]

​Lynn, I absolutely believe in miracles. I never said I didn't. Each one of us is a miracle in itself. Personally, God has worked many miracles in my life. Do I believe that God works miracles for us ALL the time? NO. But SOMETIMES he does.

Spot on BlueLadybug!
That was beautifully written....thanks.
I understand EXACTLY what you mean!
For instance.....
My prayers may not be answered today....
It's other people's turn to have blessings

When I was in tears so bad when my 22 year old was 1 lb 15 oz in an incubator and now she is in college
THAT was my miracle!

It's somebody else's turn to have one now

 

[Depleted]

I've never understood how people can be so close-minded to think that all revelation was released at the beginning of it all, and not hold to a perspective of progressive revelation. Not that its "new" but our eyes have just been open to whats been there all along. Sort of like with "saved by grace through faith" and even now, the revelation of Jesus and His grace sweeping the earth setting people free from dead works and religion. It seems reformation is alive and well and God is orchestrating it.

Never? In all your 25 years, you've never? Then why have you become the exact thing you're railing against -- close-minded? (BTW, "close-minded." Also a humanism pitch that fits right into everything else you have been showing you believe that's not part of God's truth.)

Reformation went back to the Bible. You're promoting another "forward-thinking," (which it aint, since all this junk came along when I was young lol), new gospel.

 

[blue_ladybug]

If it's God's will for ALL of us to be healthy, or healed, then WHY doesn't he bestow that healing on all of us? Look at all the people with cancer, or whatever disease, who have full faith they will be healed, and they end up dying. :/ Why didn't he heal them? What good is faith and belief, if what you believe in doesn't happen to you, but it does for the next person?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I feel like crying today. I really do. I lifted too many bags of heavy groceries yesterday, and now my back is trying to give out, AND my right hip is threatening to pop out of it's socket. But, this too shall pass. Isn't that what God says? Persevere through and endure the pain. I give thanks for my pain, it lets me know I'm alive..lol.. BUT I wish God would heal it once and for all, instead of just in increments..

 

[blue_ladybug]

​Lynn, I absolutely believe in miracles. I never said I didn't. Each one of us is a miracle in itself. Personally, God has worked many miracles in my life. Do I believe that God works miracles for us ALL the time? NO. But SOMETIMES he does.

Thank you for the rep comment, skylove. It's truly appreciated. I love you too.

 

[Depleted]

The organized church rejected the power of God, because that was easier, they wouldn't be persecuted anymore. Time to go back to how it was in Acts, the last reformation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzZv-XMXPU

"The organized church?" Which one? RCC, Episcopalians, Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodist, Vineyard, SDA, CoC, AME, nondenoms, International Community Churches, Disciples of Christ, Moravians, Quakers? And how do you know all about all of them?

This is basically propaganda mentality from folks who are against denominations.

 

[coby]

"Wants us?" "Whatever he can?" Sorry, I believe in the God who gets everything he wants, and isn't hindered by what people can and can't do.

He's not against doctors, since he had one write a couple of his books, but that same doctor spent a lot of time telling of God's miracles. I didn't spend the last 17 years doing nothing but waiting for that miracle. I pursued both the miracle and medical help, but dagnabit, if it's going to be a miracle, I won't need medical help!

GOD DOES MIRACLES! When he does them, they defy the "laws of nature." They are instantaneous. BUT, he also gives us doctors to help if the miracle isn't his plan. If my UTI wasn't instantaneously healed, I would have called my doctor for more antibiotics to treat it. If God heals my back, I won't need the drugs that curb my pain. If Blue Ladybug doesn't want to believe in miracles apart from the field of medicine, she doesn't have to, but I'm not going to accept God doesn't do miracles simply because she is basing what she believes on her results. And, I'm really really not going to accept God is limited in his ability to help us by US. God is still free to give Blue Ladybug that miracle. He is still free not to. His sovereignty is not hampered by her. His sovereignty isn't hampered by any of us, so please stop giving God wiggle room. He doesn't need it and he's not pinned in by our wills.

It's not our will, but His will to heal. I want it, be made whole, He said to one man who asked in the Bible. Is there one person in the Bible to whom Jesus said: No I don't want to heal you or you have to wait 30 years for some mysterious reason I won't tell you? Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy. If you think maybe He does not want to heal you won't rebuke the sickness in His Name. He gave the authority to heal to the church. By His stripes we are healed. I was sick for more than a year but kept confessing I was healed by His stripes until I believed it and saw it.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's not our will, but His will to heal. I want it, be made whole, He said to one man who asked in the Bible. Is there one person in the Bible to whom Jesus said: No I don't want to heal you or you have to wait 30 years for some mysterious reason I won't tell you? Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy. If you think maybe He does not want to heal you won't rebuke the sickness in His Name. He gave the authority to heal to the church. By His stripes we are healed. I was sick for more than a year but kept confessing I was healed by His stripes until I believed it and saw it.

I disagree with the part you said about rebuking illness in Jesus' name. I've done that countless times and guess what? Yup, still NOT HEALED. :/ Sooo, obviously he does NOT heal EVERYONE who rebukes their illness in his name..