Healing: A Question to Ponder
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Yeah, heard that junk years ago. Tried it. Didn't work. Didn't work for many people I know who are disabled and believers. (And I've known ex-disabled people that God has healed.) The concept is much like "Here is your Rolls Royce. All you have to do is believe it's yours and it will come... some day."
If God wants me healed, he WILL heal me then. He has healed me before, and not because I believed it harder back then. I've grown, so I trust God more now than I did way back when. He will heal me. He may heal me in this body, but after 17 years disabled, I strongly suspect it's his plan to give me the new body and then I'm healed... and don't have to wait around for the Rolls Royce anyway.
God didn't need my belief to do any of his will before and he doesn't need it to heal me now. He hands me the belief and he uses it through me. I do not muster belief. I watch God in action to know belief. Even that is on God, not me.
If God wants me healed, he WILL heal me then. He has healed me before, and not because I believed it harder back then. I've grown, so I trust God more now than I did way back when. He will heal me. He may heal me in this body, but after 17 years disabled, I strongly suspect it's his plan to give me the new body and then I'm healed... and don't have to wait around for the Rolls Royce anyway.
God didn't need my belief to do any of his will before and he doesn't need it to heal me now. He hands me the belief and he uses it through me. I do not muster belief. I watch God in action to know belief. Even that is on God, not me.
I beg to differ... (second time I've gotten to use this today)
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Matthew 8:
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” 7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?” 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 8
23 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24 Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!” 26 He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. 27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”
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Matthew 9
1 Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. 2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”
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Matthew 9
20 Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. 21 She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.” 22 Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 9
27 As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!” 28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied. 29 Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored.
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Matthew 13
53 When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54 Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. 55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and arena’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56 Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” 58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
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Matthew 14
25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear. 27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.” 28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.” 29 “Come,” he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
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Matthew 15
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 17
14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.” 17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why could’t we drive it out?” 20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
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Matthew 21
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. 20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked. 21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
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Matthew 13:58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
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And that's just Matthew. You could double that with Hebrews 11, and double it again out of all the other books.
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And I think the OP makes a good point - Jesus HAS healed us, but we may not receive that in full until we are caught up to Him. Just as many of the things He won the right to redeem on the cross, we do not have in full as of yet.
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Matthew 8:
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” 7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?” 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 8
23 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24 Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!” 26 He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. 27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”
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Matthew 9
1 Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. 2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.”
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Matthew 9
20 Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. 21 She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.” 22 Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 9
27 As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!” 28 When he had gone indoors, the blind men came to him, and he asked them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” “Yes, Lord,” they replied. 29 Then he touched their eyes and said, “According to your faith let it be done to you”; 30 and their sight was restored.
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Matthew 13
53 When Jesus had finished these parables, he moved on from there. 54 Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. 55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and arena’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? 56 Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.” 58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
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Matthew 14
25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear. 27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.” 28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.” 29 “Come,” he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!” 31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”
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Matthew 15
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
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Matthew 17
14 When they came to the crowd, a man approached Jesus and knelt before him. 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son,” he said. “He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your disciples, but they could not heal him.” 17 “You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.” 18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment. 19 Then the disciples came to Jesus in private and asked, “Why could’t we drive it out?” 20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
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Matthew 21
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. 20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked. 21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
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Matthew 13:58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
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And that's just Matthew. You could double that with Hebrews 11, and double it again out of all the other books.
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And I think the OP makes a good point - Jesus HAS healed us, but we may not receive that in full until we are caught up to Him. Just as many of the things He won the right to redeem on the cross, we do not have in full as of yet.
You know what? Many many times I have literally BEGGED and pleaded with God to heal me. I have cried out loud, "in the name of Jesus Christ, heal me". Guess what? I'm still not healed and despite what some believe, God does NOT instantly heal people. If he did, I would've been healed at age 5 of my epilepsy. I would've been healed at age 40, when my back really started to incapacitate me. But nooo.. I still have epilepsy and I still have a bad back, bad bones all around. :/ Being healed has NOTHING to do with how much faith or belief a person has. That's a total crock, so don't try to convince me it's true..
Like Lynn said, if I were meant to be healed, I would have been a long time ago. Only God knows the reason why he doesn't heal ALL people. So what am I supposed to do? Throw a tantrum and demand God to heal me? Been there, done that, didn't work. :/ Sooo, I do the only thing I CAN do: persevere through all the pain, and look forward to my eternal pain-free body.
I would give ANYTHING to go just one day without any back twinges, creaks, cracks, moans and groans of stupid bad bones.. To go just one day without ANY seizures. One day soon I will, but until then I have to live in this wretched body because that is what God wants me to do.
Like Lynn said, if I were meant to be healed, I would have been a long time ago. Only God knows the reason why he doesn't heal ALL people. So what am I supposed to do? Throw a tantrum and demand God to heal me? Been there, done that, didn't work. :/ Sooo, I do the only thing I CAN do: persevere through all the pain, and look forward to my eternal pain-free body.
I would give ANYTHING to go just one day without any back twinges, creaks, cracks, moans and groans of stupid bad bones.. To go just one day without ANY seizures. One day soon I will, but until then I have to live in this wretched body because that is what God wants me to do. 
J
You know what? Many many times I have literally BEGGED and pleaded with God to heal me. I have cried out loud, "in the name of Jesus Christ, heal me". Guess what? I'm still not healed and despite what some believe, God does NOT instantly heal people. If he did, I would've been healed at age 5 of my epilepsy. I would've been healed at age 40, when my back really started to incapacitate me. But nooo.. I still have epilepsy and I still have a bad back, bad bones all around. :/ Being healed has NOTHING to do with how much faith or belief a person has. That's a total crock, so don't try to convince me it's true..
Like Lynn said, if I were meant to be healed, I would have been a long time ago. Only God knows the reason why he doesn't heal ALL people. So what am I supposed to do? Throw a tantrum and demand God to heal me? Been there, done that, didn't work. :/ Sooo, I do the only thing I CAN do: persevere through all the pain, and look forward to my eternal pain-free body. I would give ANYTHING to go just one day without any back twinges, creaks, cracks, moans and groans of stupid bad bones.. To go just one day without ANY seizures. One day soon I will, but until then I have to live in this wretched body because that is what God wants me to do.
Like Lynn said, if I were meant to be healed, I would have been a long time ago. Only God knows the reason why he doesn't heal ALL people. So what am I supposed to do? Throw a tantrum and demand God to heal me? Been there, done that, didn't work. :/ Sooo, I do the only thing I CAN do: persevere through all the pain, and look forward to my eternal pain-free body.
I would give ANYTHING to go just one day without any back twinges, creaks, cracks, moans and groans of stupid bad bones.. To go just one day without ANY seizures. One day soon I will, but until then I have to live in this wretched body because that is what God wants me to do.
G
And for many of us Ben, Gods healing is going to be physical death.
And Just to point out the vast majority of us are relatively healthy. But God allows some to become ill,blind,deaf,paralyzed, terminal illness.
God miraculously heals some, but many die in their "illness" or " suffering"
And it is NOT about "getting out" of our predicament. It is about how we handle it. Because many will not be healed.
Fanny Crosby~~
Fanny Crosby resolved when she was quite a child that her blindness should not make her unhappy, or prevent her from being useful in the world; she never allowed those around her to pity her because she was blind. She wrote: "Darkness may throw a shadow over my outer vision, but there is no cloud that can keep the sunlight of hope from a trustful soul. One of the earliest resolves that I formed in my young and joyous heart was to leave all care to yesterday, and to believe that the morrow would bring its own peculiar joy."
She also wrote these rugged but expressive lines, when she was nine years old:
"Oh what a happy soul I am,
Although I cannot see;
I am resolved that in this world
Contented I will be.
How many blessings I enjoy,
That other people don't;
To weep and sigh because I'm blind,
I cannot, and I won't."
Fanny Crosby blind Hymn writer and poetess - Christian Biography Resources - WholesomeWords.org
And Just to point out the vast majority of us are relatively healthy. But God allows some to become ill,blind,deaf,paralyzed, terminal illness.
God miraculously heals some, but many die in their "illness" or " suffering"
And it is NOT about "getting out" of our predicament. It is about how we handle it. Because many will not be healed.
Fanny Crosby~~
Fanny Crosby resolved when she was quite a child that her blindness should not make her unhappy, or prevent her from being useful in the world; she never allowed those around her to pity her because she was blind. She wrote: "Darkness may throw a shadow over my outer vision, but there is no cloud that can keep the sunlight of hope from a trustful soul. One of the earliest resolves that I formed in my young and joyous heart was to leave all care to yesterday, and to believe that the morrow would bring its own peculiar joy."
She also wrote these rugged but expressive lines, when she was nine years old:
"Oh what a happy soul I am,
Although I cannot see;
I am resolved that in this world
Contented I will be.
How many blessings I enjoy,
That other people don't;
To weep and sigh because I'm blind,
I cannot, and I won't."
Fanny Crosby blind Hymn writer and poetess - Christian Biography Resources - WholesomeWords.org
Let us hope that one of these times you will actually make a correct application of these verses.
The body of flesh profiteth little. Better to enter into heaven halt than to be whole and be cast into the lake of fire.
Mt 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
J
God is in the business of using 'means'...that's what the Incarnation is all about
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
I wish his "means" worked a little faster..lol.. And what's the sense in healing me AFTER I die? I'll have an eternal, sinless, pain free body by then and won't need healing..
Like Roger said above, God can use affliction to teach and direct us, and affliction is the prevailing human condition post fall.
I know this is a bone of contention and no one is belittling people that are sick. We are simply sharing scriptures. We should weep with those that weep and visit with them that are sick and thus bear each other's burdens.
I will say without hesitation that God does not give people sickness to "teach" them something. This is a very warped view of our Father. God does not cause sickness but He can in the midst of it reveal His love for us and He will meet us where ever we are at in this life.
Whenever we try to force our experiences over what the clear word of God says on a subject - we make that word null and void in our lives.
Can you imagine how all eternity would be like if our good, loving Father puts sickness on people to "teach" them things...He will have all eternity to show us His grace in His kindness towards us. If He is the same yesterday and forever...it will be an awful place to be in heaven with Him IF He was like that...but He is not.
Jesus came to destroy the WORKS of the devil. He displayed the WILL of the Father.
Acts 10:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
Notice in the below scripture that Jesus associated the gospel ( good news ) of the Kingdom and healed all diseases. It is not a part of the kingdom
Matthew 9:35 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Luke 6:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And all the people were trying to touch Him, for power was coming from Him and healing them all.
Matthew 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Matthew 8:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Matthew 12:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
Luke 6:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.
These scriptures go on and on. Jesus healed all that came to Him. Remember the woman with the issue of blood?...she accessed the healing power and life out of Jesus by touching His hem in faith without Him even knowing she was there.
Why don't all people get healed? I don't know the answers . Why don't all people believe the gospel message and get saved? Our experiences should not be dictating what we believe if they violate the word of God and most importantly - the revelation of our Lord Jesus.
I will say without hesitation that God does not give people sickness to "teach" them something. This is a very warped view of our Father. God does not cause sickness but He can in the midst of it reveal His love for us and He will meet us where ever we are at in this life.
Whenever we try to force our experiences over what the clear word of God says on a subject - we make that word null and void in our lives.
Can you imagine how all eternity would be like if our good, loving Father puts sickness on people to "teach" them things...He will have all eternity to show us His grace in His kindness towards us. If He is the same yesterday and forever...it will be an awful place to be in heaven with Him IF He was like that...but He is not.
Jesus came to destroy the WORKS of the devil. He displayed the WILL of the Father.
Acts 10:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
Notice in the below scripture that Jesus associated the gospel ( good news ) of the Kingdom and healed all diseases. It is not a part of the kingdom
Matthew 9:35 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Luke 6:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And all the people were trying to touch Him, for power was coming from Him and healing them all.
Matthew 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Matthew 8:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Matthew 12:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all;
Luke 6:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And the whole multitude sought to touch him: for there went virtue out of him, and healed them all.
These scriptures go on and on. Jesus healed all that came to Him. Remember the woman with the issue of blood?...she accessed the healing power and life out of Jesus by touching His hem in faith without Him even knowing she was there.
Why don't all people get healed? I don't know the answers . Why don't all people believe the gospel message and get saved? Our experiences should not be dictating what we believe if they violate the word of God and most importantly - the revelation of our Lord Jesus.
I wrote this in another thread and thought it would make a good thread to give people something to chew on.
Originally Posted by BenFTW
You know, sometimes I think the problem arises for people not getting healed because they only believe God can. Not that He will, but that its possible. Its like supernatural protection, do you believe God canprotect you, or does He protect you? One is a matter of done and the other is, "if He feels like it."
In the same way we know Jesus was whipped and went to the cross and through His stripes we have been healed. Spiritually, yes but salvation encompasses wholeness and healing is a part of that package. So it isn't so much a matter of believing God can heal, we know He can(without question). The question is, will God heal you? Is He willing? Better yet, has He healed you?
That last question may seem perplexing, but give me a moment to explain. Is it a possibility that God has healed you, but it has yet manifested into reality? I'm not talking about any new age concepts, but simply that you must turn in the check as it were. Jesus paid not only for your sins, but through His suffering has granted you healing.
So, instead of thinking that God can heal you, maybe one should place faith in Jesus that He has healed you. That it is done, finished. So no longer are you in a place of doubt, pondering whether your heavenly Father will heal you, but you praise Him for that which He has already done thereby expediting the healing process. It is a matter of expectation, not just mercy. Its a person using faith to obtain that which God has already done, or will do, depending on your faith.
Either way, its a faith that says God is willing and not just recognizing that He can. He can do a lot of things in your life, but are you willing to believe? That is the question.
You know, sometimes I think the problem arises for people not getting healed because they only believe God can. Not that He will, but that its possible. Its like supernatural protection, do you believe God canprotect you, or does He protect you? One is a matter of done and the other is, "if He feels like it."
In the same way we know Jesus was whipped and went to the cross and through His stripes we have been healed. Spiritually, yes but salvation encompasses wholeness and healing is a part of that package. So it isn't so much a matter of believing God can heal, we know He can(without question). The question is, will God heal you? Is He willing? Better yet, has He healed you?
That last question may seem perplexing, but give me a moment to explain. Is it a possibility that God has healed you, but it has yet manifested into reality? I'm not talking about any new age concepts, but simply that you must turn in the check as it were. Jesus paid not only for your sins, but through His suffering has granted you healing.
So, instead of thinking that God can heal you, maybe one should place faith in Jesus that He has healed you. That it is done, finished. So no longer are you in a place of doubt, pondering whether your heavenly Father will heal you, but you praise Him for that which He has already done thereby expediting the healing process. It is a matter of expectation, not just mercy. Its a person using faith to obtain that which God has already done, or will do, depending on your faith.
Either way, its a faith that says God is willing and not just recognizing that He can. He can do a lot of things in your life, but are you willing to believe? That is the question.
Hi Ben,
Nohing new here same old WOF/Healh/wealh stuff. Off course God can heal and of course God heals.
And Ben without even going to scriture, personally testimonies on here prove the WOF/Health/Wealth gospel false. Its like WOF/HW prosperity preachers teaching the same nonsense you have - they even have proclaimed to have healed people only for he real evidence to come out later tha it was hocus pocus. Ohh of course I forgot... it was the person faith, thats what it was - it obviously wasn't srong enough.
Here's a very interesting thought for you... Someone with a weak faith is still saved and will save. yet you guys try and tell us that its the weak faith that stops a healing being ''''''realized''''... funny that???
God loves us dearly and He will use any means possible to effect our healing and soundness. He will use doctors, teaching us sound eating habits..etc. He will meet us wherever our faith is at. He wants us whole. He is not some sick "god" in the sky that wants to teach us something by putting sicknesses on us. That is the spirit of anti-Christ in the air that brings that teaching.
Wouldn't receiving an eternal, sinless, pain free body be the ultimate healing?
Yes, absolutely.. But it WOULD be nice to be healed while I'm alive, so I can fill His purpose all the more easier.
Like Roger said above, God can use affliction to teach and direct us, and affliction is the prevailing human condition post fall.
Yes, absolutely.. But it WOULD be nice to be healed while I'm alive, so I can fill His purpose all the more easier.
Like Roger said above, God can use affliction to teach and direct us, and affliction is the prevailing human condition post fall.
And I'm always humbled by that, because I don't see myself as inspirational at all.. I just share my stories and hope people can benefit from them.
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Yes, read it before too. And what?
You're saying I believed God before but not now, therefore it's on me and not God? I do know the Bible pretty well. (Just proved I don't know it perfectly in the last thread that turned into this, so rather stupid to lie and say I know it perfectly now. lol) Pulling out scriptures that don't say anything that I haven't said in my own words doesn't change it. Please note: in every case God did the healing. Belief didn't heal, because belief is an idea -- a noun that is not a person, place or thing, but an idea. Ideas, albeit coo sometimes, cannot do things people can do.) God heals people of different levels of belief, because, and speaking of repeating, IT'S NOT OUR BELIEF. IT'S GOD WORKING IN US AND THROUGH US TO HAND US THAT BELIEF! Just like he handed us salvation, just like he handed us redemption, just like he handed us the desire to trust him, just like he handed us our adoption, just like he does all good things.
I am the receiver, not the giver.
I got news for you. When I cried because I got yet another UTI and then hubby laid hands I me, I was 99.8% sure I'd have that same UTI two minutes later. Why should he heal me? Why am I worth healing? Am I better than anyone else? Do I deserve healing? Did I force God's hand? NO! On every question, yet, surprise-surprise, he healed me.
He has also, sometimes, healed my migraines, and sometimes he doesn't. The one that's very bizarre is the time he heaed me of the terrible allergic reaction I get from a bee stinging me, but I never got it because future-hubby was laying hands on me and praying even before I had time to work up a good cry of panic. This gut-wrenching pain? (Literally-- it wrenches my gut.) 17 years after he healed me of my UTI. I had more faith this time that he might. Alas. He didn't. He still hasn't. It's possible he'll do it in the future, (guaranteed it's gone when I get that new-and-improved, eternal body), but I'm not going to go off and say, "God healed me of chronic pain," until he heals me of it.
He also taught me not to lie.
You're saying I believed God before but not now, therefore it's on me and not God? I do know the Bible pretty well. (Just proved I don't know it perfectly in the last thread that turned into this, so rather stupid to lie and say I know it perfectly now. lol) Pulling out scriptures that don't say anything that I haven't said in my own words doesn't change it. Please note: in every case God did the healing. Belief didn't heal, because belief is an idea -- a noun that is not a person, place or thing, but an idea. Ideas, albeit coo sometimes, cannot do things people can do.) God heals people of different levels of belief, because, and speaking of repeating, IT'S NOT OUR BELIEF. IT'S GOD WORKING IN US AND THROUGH US TO HAND US THAT BELIEF! Just like he handed us salvation, just like he handed us redemption, just like he handed us the desire to trust him, just like he handed us our adoption, just like he does all good things.
I am the receiver, not the giver.
I got news for you. When I cried because I got yet another UTI and then hubby laid hands I me, I was 99.8% sure I'd have that same UTI two minutes later. Why should he heal me? Why am I worth healing? Am I better than anyone else? Do I deserve healing? Did I force God's hand? NO! On every question, yet, surprise-surprise, he healed me.
He has also, sometimes, healed my migraines, and sometimes he doesn't. The one that's very bizarre is the time he heaed me of the terrible allergic reaction I get from a bee stinging me, but I never got it because future-hubby was laying hands on me and praying even before I had time to work up a good cry of panic. This gut-wrenching pain? (Literally-- it wrenches my gut.) 17 years after he healed me of my UTI. I had more faith this time that he might. Alas. He didn't. He still hasn't. It's possible he'll do it in the future, (guaranteed it's gone when I get that new-and-improved, eternal body), but I'm not going to go off and say, "God healed me of chronic pain," until he heals me of it.
He also taught me not to lie.