What Gospel Do You Preach?

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Samie

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Most Christian preachers teach that people are born NOT “in Christ”. And to be NOT “in Christ” is to be separate from Christ, to be NOT part of His body, to be spiritually dead because Christ is our life (Col 3:4). These preachers teach that to be "in Christ", people need to first believe and repent.

So, HOW can one who is still separate from Christ and is yet spiritually dead being NOT “in Christ”, able to believe and repent, when Christ Himself said that separate from Him one can do NOTHING (John 15:5)? These preachers seem to be saying that while separate from Christ, one can do things: they can believe and repent, making Christ's statement false.

If you are one of these preachers, you may choose one of the ff:

1. If you believe the brand of gospel you are preaching is true, then address the issue in the blue paragraph.

2. But if upon reading this post, you realized that what you are preaching is defective, then preach instead that people are born "in Christ" and that all they have to do to remain "in Christ" is overcome evil with good (Rom 12:21), because overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life (Rev 3:5).
 
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Ariel82

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People are born in sin...Christ calls them and allows them to be born again in the Holy Spirit.

Unless you are born again you will not be allowed,into Heaven.

You need to repent and turn to God.

If the people were already righteous you would have no need of a Savior.
 

Samie

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People are born in sin...Christ calls them and allows them to be born again in the Holy Spirit.

Unless you are born again you will not be allowed,into Heaven.

You need to repent and turn to God.

If the people were already righteous you would have no need of a Savior.
The issue in the OP is whether one who is NOT "in Christ" and is therefore separate from Him and spiritually dead, is able to do the spiritual act of believing or not. If one who is not yet "in Christ" is able to believe, then, he is able to do SOMETHING - he can believe - while separate from Christ Who said man can do NOTHING while NOT "in Him".
 

mailmandan

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I preach the gospel of Christ "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
 

Samie

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Believing is exercising faith. Faith is fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) and only those "in Christ" can bear fruit. Those NOT "in Christ" cannot bear fruit, and therefore have no faith to exercise.
 

fredoheaven

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Most Christian preachers teach that people are born NOT “in Christ”. And to be NOT “in Christ” is to be separate from Christ, to be NOT part of His body, to be spiritually dead because Christ is our life (Col 3:4). These preachers teach that to be "in Christ", people need to first believe and repent.

So, HOW can one who is still separate from Christ and is yet spiritually dead being NOT “in Christ”, able to believe and repent, when Christ Himself said that separate from Him one can do NOTHING (John 15:5)? These preachers seem to be saying that while separate from Christ, one can do things: they can believe and repent, making Christ's statement false.

If you are one of these preachers, you may choose one of the ff:

1. If you believe the brand of gospel you are preaching is true, then address the issue in the blue paragraph.

2. But if upon reading this post, you realized that what you are preaching is defective, then preach instead that people are born "in Christ" and that all they have to do to remain "in Christ" is overcome evil with good (Rom 12:21), because overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life (Rev 3:5).
Hi Kabayan,

John 15 speaks about fruit bearing and does not concern with getting salvation. I agree with Malinamdam, the gospel I preach, is the gospel of God's grace.

God bless
 

Samie

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Hi Kabayan,

John 15 speaks about fruit bearing and does not concern with getting salvation. I agree with Malinamdam, the gospel I preach, is the gospel of God's grace.

God bless
Hi there, Kabayan;

Correct, Jesus speaks of fruit-bearing, and only those who are "in Him" can bear fruit, among which is faith which is fruit of the Spirit. So how can those NOT "in Christ" able to exercise faith when they have no faith to exercise?
 

fredoheaven

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Hi there, Kabayan;

Correct, Jesus speaks of fruit-bearing, and only those who are "in Him" can bear fruit, among which is faith which is fruit of the Spirit. So how can those NOT "in Christ" able to exercise faith when they have no faith to exercise?
Hello Kabayan.

John 15 speaks nothing about faith. I see no single word of "faith." I think you have other verses aside from this one and let us know...

Thanks
 

Samie

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Jesus speaks about fruit-bearing. Paul who preached the gospel that Christ preached, tells us that faith is fruit, fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Again, Believing is exercising faith. Faith is fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) and only those "in Christ" can bear fruit. Those NOT "in Christ" cannot bear fruit, and therefore have no faith to exercise.
 

John146

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Are you saying lost people have no faith in anything? Meek? Joyful? Gentleness?

Jesus speaks about fruit-bearing. Paul who preached the gospel that Christ preached, tells us that faith is fruit, fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Again, Believing is exercising faith. Faith is fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) and only those "in Christ" can bear fruit. Those NOT "in Christ" cannot bear fruit, and therefore have no faith to exercise.
 

Samie

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Are you saying lost people have no faith in anything? Meek? Joyful? Gentleness?
I'm saying that those NOT "in Christ" cannot bear fruit, among which is faith, which is the faith of the Son of God.

Many preachers teach that lost people - those NOT "in Christ" - can believe. Therefore they seem to teach opposite to what Christ said that while NOT "in Him" people can't bear fruit, among which is faith; and faith is what people use to believe, because believing is exercising faith.
 

fredoheaven

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Jesus speaks about fruit-bearing. Paul who preached the gospel that Christ preached, tells us that faith is fruit, fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22. I mentioned this in an earlier post. Again, Believing is exercising faith. Faith is fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) and only those "in Christ" can bear fruit. Those NOT "in Christ" cannot bear fruit, and therefore have no faith to exercise.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So how do you interpret this verse?
 

Samie

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James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So how do you interpret this verse?
I don't interpret, I just believe what Scriptures say.

Those NOT "in Christ" do not belong to Christ, and therefore belong to the devil. Those "in Christ" have the faith of Christ they use to believe. Those of the devil have the faith of the devil they use to believe.
 
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James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

So how do you interpret this verse?
You DON'T interpret just that one verse. You read, at the very least, the rest of the chapter to see what he was saying, and to whom, and when, and why, etc. THEN you can start trying to decide what is meant.
 

fredoheaven

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Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

It was Jesus saw their faith that the sick of palsy was forgiven. Not the way around...

Thanks Kabayan, God bless
 

fredoheaven

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I don't interpret, I just believe what Scriptures say.

Those NOT "in Christ" do not belong to Christ, and therefore belong to the devil. Those "in Christ" have the faith of Christ they use to believe. Those of the devil have the faith of the devil they use to believe.
Anyway Kabayan, thank you for sharing your thoughts, but try to contemplate this one:

Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

Thanks,
 

fredoheaven

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You DON'T interpret just that one verse. You read, at the very least, the rest of the chapter to see what he was saying, and to whom, and when, and why, etc. THEN you can start trying to decide what is meant.
Hi Willie-T,

Thank you for the suggestions... God bless
 

Samie

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Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.

It was Jesus saw their faith that the sick of palsy was forgiven. Not the way around...

Thanks Kabayan, God bless
The point is, the man already has faith, and therefore already "in Christ". We believe not for us to be "in Christ" but because we already are "in Him". To teach that people need to first believe to be "in Christ" is teaching salvation by works, instead of by grace.

God bless you too, kabayan.
 

crossnote

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The issue in the OP is whether one who is NOT "in Christ" and is therefore separate from Him and spiritually dead, is able to do the spiritual act of believing or not. If one who is not yet "in Christ" is able to believe, then, he is able to do SOMETHING - he can believe - while separate from Christ Who said man can do NOTHING while NOT "in Him".
the message of the Gospel comes to the 'dead person' and quickens them to life.

2 Corinthians 4:6 KJVS
[6] For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.



Romans 1:16 KJVS
[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:17 KJVS
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


Genesis 1:3 KJVS
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
 
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I don't interpret, I just believe what Scriptures say.

Those NOT "in Christ" do not belong to Christ, and therefore belong to the devil. Those "in Christ" have the faith of Christ they use to believe. Those of the devil have the faith of the devil they use to believe.
Well, in truth, every single one of us "interprets" every word we read in the Bible. As much as we think it sounds good to say we don't, it is totally impossible NOT to.